DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

That's not my argument! That argument is silly! I made a pretty argument that wasn't silly!

Oh well though, I'm not feeling a Mac lynch either.

Wellety wellety

[Tangrowth]

I really don’t think I want to lynch Mac either

I feel like most of my thoughts on him being scum require some amount of tinfoil

[MacDougall]

Hey @DharmaHelper your boy sprityo is going to get lynched and if you leave your vote on me through end of day you'll be an easy lynch tomorrow after he flips Mafia so you probably should move that.

Don't tell me what to do bub.

... please get your vote off me. Sir?

[DharmaHelper]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Oh man how bad for you to have to wade through a bunch of very long posts. Man I can't imagine how that would feel. Just to have all these posts you have to read. Can't even wrap my head around it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My present prevailing concern about sprityo is that he doesn't seem to suspect Mac anymore, as far as I can tell, but it still planted on that wagon.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

hi do you exist

what is your opinion on literally anything? I think I particularly want perspectives on MacDougall, whose play I initially read as overly abrasive and distracting, but I'm now nodding my head along to everything they're saying. What do you think of them and their opinions?

While I appreciate any prod of the lowest post count to get them moving, this strikes me as the token "freebie post". When you're not sure what else to say, poke the lurker.

This post does not pass the adverb test.

[DharmaHelper]

I really don’t think I want to lynch Mac either

I feel like most of my thoughts on him being scum require some amount of tinfoil

If you don't wanna lynch Mac you should vote for Sprityo apparently.

[sprityo]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

[Marmot]

Correction, robotnerd's post doesn't pass the test, Jay is fine.

[sprityo]

Absolutely, 100%, no.

I agreed with him at least in part. What does that say about me?

Point to me where and I can answer your question

Mac states a beef with sprityo

I state my agreement, after having expressed separate concerns

Jay these are just iso links, not post links

[abyssum]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

That's not my argument! That argument is silly! I made a pretty argument that wasn't silly!

Oh well though, I'm not feeling a Mac lynch either.

[insert big shiny summary of your big shiny tinfoil that is accurate instead]

[Tangrowth]

@abyssum

Are you around? What are your reads right now? Top lynch candidates? I see you're also on Robot.

i'm semi-around but not entirely. i've been on Robot for a while now; the points that i made in my reads posts about Robot are ones that still stand. unlike you/Alien/Tsaiah(?), i don't have any meta on robot, so i can't offer anything of value there, but i still really dislike them saying that they like kylemii and then saying that they don't mind the wagon. i just cannot imagine that sort of behavior/thought coming from a townie; when i form a read (even a minor/light one) on somebody, i don't then want to hop onto their wagon just because a few other people are.

i know that they said that they didn't see any compelling reason to do so, but the eagerness to the possibility of joining that wagon rubs me the wrong way entirely.

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

it's only too transparent if Robot remembered that they had said that about kylemii, though.

Yeah that’s a good point

Nice work scully

[sprityo]

My present prevailing concern about sprityo is that he doesn't seem to suspect Mac anymore, as far as I can tell, but it still planted on that wagon.

Please just give me some time jay, it isn’t the easiest to post in my phone, it’s not like I can “unvote”

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Absolutely, 100%, no.

I agreed with him at least in part. What does that say about me?

Point to me where and I can answer your question

Mac states a beef with sprityo

I state my agreement, after having expressed separate concerns

Jay these are just iso links, not post links

Cot damnit.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

MP7 Day 0 Rainbow List -- POE Style

Tsaiah

Infected_alien8
JaggedJimmyJay

abyssum
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
MacDougall
sprityo

DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
Turnip Head

Alphabetical within groups. There's a lot of GTH here. Feel free to ask me about these.

I need to go, lol. Be back later. Best of luck in your hunting, everyone!

Also... I'm realizing that it's likely at least one of my green reads is garbage, but I don't give a fuck.

Alright. Bye for real. Lol. ahhhhh

it's sprityo me, isn't it? : (

I was gonna say Mac. But okay

You gonna cast dispersions against me you better have something to back that up my man or I'll go through you like a freight train.

If I wanted to actually go head to head with you mac, I’d have to have some hard evidence. Otherwise, for the reason on running through me like a freight train, I will never, NEVER make a case against you

simply cause I’m bad at mafia

So TO CLARIFY

A_joke.txt

I didn't feel like these were civilian posts from sprityo.

Something I associate with a civilian sprityo is a willingness to stick his finger of suspicion right in the face of any highly active player, unconcerned about the repercussions. Indeed, I think sig does the same thing, and it's something that contributes to their being wrongly suspected in many games.

I'm not seeing that now, however. sprityo has barely dipped his toes into the water even in the posts that he has made.

If you see my recent post on the subject of sprityo you will see the exact inverse of what you say you expect from civ sprityo.

Something I associate with a civilian sprityo is a willingness to stick his finger of suspicion right in the face of any highly active player, unconcerned about the repercussions. Indeed, I think sig does the same thing, and it's something that contributes to their being wrongly suspected in many games.

I'm not seeing that now, however. sprityo has barely dipped his toes into the water even in the posts that he has made.

If you see my recent post on the subject of sprityo you will see the exact inverse of what you say you expect from civ sprityo.

Yeah I am not a fan.

[Tangrowth]

FUCK MY PHONE I WASNT DONE

I was gonna highlight the part that says

What more do you want

... I hardly believe in universal scum tells but isn’t this an actual universal scum tell

It was presented as such in my tournament Season 2 final game (when I said "what do you want from me?" and got slammed ). To be fair though I have no idea how reliable it really is, and I think I pursued it once on The Syndicate erroneously when INH said something like that.

Yeah maybe you’re right just a thought because I know you and I had discussed this before

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My present prevailing concern about sprityo is that he doesn't seem to suspect Mac anymore, as far as I can tell, but it still planted on that wagon.

Please just give me some time jay, it isn’t the easiest to post in my phone, it’s not like I can “unvote”

I will give you as much time as I can. I won't be able to stick around too much longer though.

[MacDougall]

My present prevailing concern about sprityo is that he doesn't seem to suspect Mac anymore, as far as I can tell, but it still planted on that wagon.

The biggest reason sprityo should get lynched is because I think sprityo is Mafia and I have a fine history of being able to read him.

[Tangrowth]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

You are awesome and town

[Tangrowth]

Friendly memo that all players are strictly forbidden from letting their votes chill on solo wagons through the deadline because it makes them feel cool.

THIS

[abyssum]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

[Tangrowth]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

You're now on Team Mac

Team Mac:

MacDougall (Captain)
abyssum

Who else wants to be on Team Mac?

I’m in as long as you’re town and we can work together

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have a fine history of being able to read him.

Examples?

[MacDougall]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Oh man how bad for you to have to wade through a bunch of very long posts. Man I can't imagine how that would feel. Just to have all these posts you have to read. Can't even wrap my head around it.

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] is it possible to make a game thread that has a character limit on post count? I think a Mafia game with like a 100 character post limit per post and like a 5 minutes between posts rule would be very funny.

[Tangrowth]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Fully quoting wall posts or huge quote pyramids is actually against the law. I don't know why people here seem to have no fear of the police.

[Tangrowth]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Oh man how bad for you to have to wade through a bunch of very long posts. Man I can't imagine how that would feel. Just to have all these posts you have to read. Can't even wrap my head around it.

You think you’re so funny don’t you

[MacDougall]

I have a fine history of being able to read him.

Examples?

The most obvious one being http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 56#p466256 which was also extremely recent.

[Tangrowth]

My present prevailing concern about sprityo is that he doesn't seem to suspect Mac anymore, as far as I can tell, but it still planted on that wagon.

That’s a fair beef I think

[mention]sprityo[/mention] whom do you want to lynch

[Tangrowth]

I really don’t think I want to lynch Mac either

I feel like most of my thoughts on him being scum require some amount of tinfoil

If you don't wanna lynch Mac you should vote for Sprityo apparently.

I could probably do that

Right now I’m feeling that or Alien most likely but yeah

[sprityo]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] he is still referencing the post in which I jokingly called scum wrong on MP’s “people who I think are town who are probably scum”

I said I dont like going against Mac, and he knows this, because he is a menace to deal with, reference this entire game thus far. I don’t hold myself to a high regard, I think mac is an exceptionally better player than me. And to top it off I restated that I wouldn’t say outright “mac is scum,” that it was a joke

So in the question you asked me, yes you are also wrong for believing that individual statement

[Tangrowth]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

That's not my argument! That argument is silly! I made a pretty argument that wasn't silly!

Oh well though, I'm not feeling a Mac lynch either.

[insert big shiny summary of your big shiny tinfoil that is accurate instead]

I think we all have so been burned badly by Mac at some point that it’s affecting our reads lol

[sprityo]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

In memory, I see him as different than when we played together in Retrocasuslty

[Tangrowth]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

I LOVE YOU ALL LETS DO THIS

[MacDougall]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

That's not my argument! That argument is silly! I made a pretty argument that wasn't silly!

Oh well though, I'm not feeling a Mac lynch either.

[insert big shiny summary of your big shiny tinfoil that is accurate instead]

I think we all have so been burned badly by Mac at some point that it’s affecting our reads lol

See this is good. You admit that this is mostly fuelled by a desire to catch me out of revenge. Admitting you have a problem is the first stage of rehabilitation.

[MacDougall]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

In memory, I see him as different than when we played together in Retrocasuslty

But I have scope sprityo. It's what makes me good. I have a ton of gears and I have a Mafia and town version of each one. I have been playing for a long ass time and I have mastered this game. I know it sounds conceited but it's just true. Such to the extent that I consistently tell people all my tells and how to read me just to challenge myself.

[Tangrowth]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Oh man how bad for you to have to wade through a bunch of very long posts. Man I can't imagine how that would feel. Just to have all these posts you have to read. Can't even wrap my head around it.

M Plus 7 is it possible to make a game thread that has a character limit on post count? I think a Mafia game with like a 100 character post limit per post and like a 5 minutes between posts rule would be very funny.

This should be green but I’m lazy we actually had a game like this sort of called Omertà Mafia that’s epi also hosted and you could only post a handful of times

We definitely could try games like that for sure

Might be fun and probably good for people like me LOL

[abyssum]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

In memory, I see him as different than when we played together in Retrocasuslty

sorry, let me clarify. do you see Mac making obvious attempts to improve thread health/morale as town in other games that you've played with him?

[MacDougall]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Oh man how bad for you to have to wade through a bunch of very long posts. Man I can't imagine how that would feel. Just to have all these posts you have to read. Can't even wrap my head around it.

M Plus 7 is it possible to make a game thread that has a character limit on post count? I think a Mafia game with like a 100 character post limit per post and like a 5 minutes between posts rule would be very funny.

This should be green but I’m lazy we actually had a game like this sort of called Omertà Mafia that’s epi also hosted and you could only post a handful of times

We definitely could try games like that for sure

Might be fun and probably good for people like me LOL

Let's do dis

[Kylemii]

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

it's only too transparent if Robot remembered that they had said that about kylemii, though.

I don't think robots' comments about me represented a natural progression of reads, I think the initial "I like kyle" wasn't a serious read as much as a tone read, later on in the same post she jokingly said it was because of me being a robot from the future, which is still real and I hope none of you forgot about that. It's possible she forgot about making that comment.

the later post isn't weird because of contradiction but because it represents a willingness to "just go with whatever"

[abyssum]

well Mac i enjoy telling people my tells and how to read me, and i'm not even good at the game. beat that

[MacDougall]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

In memory, I see him as different than when we played together in Retrocasuslty

sorry, let me clarify. do you see Mac making obvious attempts to improve thread health/morale as town in other games that you've played with him?

I have done that in this game, several times. Arguably more so than anyone except Jay.

In this game I have:

Made enough scummy looking posts to get lynched for it
Made enough civvie looking posts to never get lynched
Tone read good
Tone read bad

It's all part of my grand plan to not get mislynched or night killed early on like I did in Firefly.

[Tangrowth]

I have a fine history of being able to read him.

Examples?

The most obvious one being http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 56#p466256 which was also extremely recent.

I didn’t play this game but heard how awesome it was

[MacDougall]

well Mac i enjoy telling people my tells and how to read me, and i'm not even good at the game. beat that

You are. You're just less of a cocky asshole than me.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

hi do you exist

what is your opinion on literally anything? I think I particularly want perspectives on MacDougall, whose play I initially read as overly abrasive and distracting, but I'm now nodding my head along to everything they're saying. What do you think of them and their opinions?

I'll give Robot a vote.

This is a very wishy-washy post. Additionally, Robot is focusing a lot of attention on Macdougall, despite admitting here that he agrees with Mac.

That's my opinion, have it.

[sprityo]

@sprityo do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

Alignment dependent. Visible effort would be seen, or st least I hope it would be seen if it was player dependent

in my experience there are usually a few specific players in the thread who make visible attempts to improve thread health or boost the morale of other players (MP7 does it on large amounts of speed, i care about thread health but am not quite as visible about it, Tsaiah is also on speed but is more subtle about it, i know players who don't touch the topic at all).

you've played w/ Mac before right? do you see those attempts from him as town?

In memory, I see him as different than when we played together in Retrocasuslty

sorry, let me clarify. do you see Mac making obvious attempts to improve thread health/morale as town in other games that you've played with him?

Less to the extent that he thrusts his own reads out regardless of what other people think. My whole issue is I wasn’t seeing much of anything I would expect from Mac when I made that iso. Perhaps now that he’s put out 115 More posts, things changes. It’s an evolving game

[Kylemii]

gonna go get born now

will return drunk on sake sometime before twilight to deliberate and vote

[Tangrowth]

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

it's only too transparent if Robot remembered that they had said that about kylemii, though.

I don't think robots' comments about me represented a natural progression of reads, I think the initial "I like kyle" wasn't a serious read as much as a tone read, later on in the same post she jokingly said it was because of me being a robot from the future, which is still real and I hope none of you forgot about that. It's possible she forgot about making that comment.

the later post isn't weird because of contradiction but because it represents a willingness to "just go with whatever"

You lost me Kyle sorry

Does this mean you think Robot is town or scum

[MacDougall]

Sprityo's reactions to my wall post in Retrocausality were much tamer and more measured than here. That's worth noting.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot is about to lead this game in fantasy points.

[abyssum]

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

it's only too transparent if Robot remembered that they had said that about kylemii, though.

I don't think robots' comments about me represented a natural progression of reads, I think the initial "I like kyle" wasn't a serious read as much as a tone read, later on in the same post she jokingly said it was because of me being a robot from the future, which is still real and I hope none of you forgot about that. It's possible she forgot about making that comment.

the later post isn't weird because of contradiction but because it represents a willingness to "just go with whatever"

that's fair, i forgot about them making the comments about you being a robot (potentially because it's just such an obvious truth that i didn't factor it into my read). it could've been a joke read in that case

i still don't like it but cross out my issue with the contradiction

[DharmaHelper]

Pfffffft why should I vote for sprityo tho.