Play the current mountainous game here!
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Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:51 pm
You want me to judge whose values fall short of the values that I absolutely believe in? That's an awkward question, to say the least.
Yes. Any vote you place will imply that anyway.
You coming after me right away. That gives me pause in adding you to the list.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:51 pm
You want me to judge whose values fall short of the values that I absolutely believe in? That's an awkward question, to say the least.
Yes. Any vote you place will imply that anyway.
You coming after me right away. That gives me pause in adding you to the list.
It's not the first direction my head went in finding mafia, no. But I am listening. This is kind of an age-old thing on The Syndicate (someone being killed Night 1 that comes with uniquely informative emotional attributes), and I have cleared myself in similar scenarios before in a way that is not terribly dissimilar from what you've done so far today. I recognize your mindset.
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Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm[VOTE:
delta] aubergine That was easy to understand.
I'm kinda just caught off guard by it is all?
Yeah, that feels exagerrated though. Kind of fake.
I don't like this.
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Nah, that's bull. I don't know if this narrative of single voters has merit, but I see no difference between them and a Sloonei voter. At all.
Delta's reaction to falcon wanting to keep players in that hadn't played in a while was not believable to me, the level of "oh my god WHAT??" was cranked too high. Artificial drama. My suspicion should be pretty legitimate upon analysis, so analyze and try again please.
b) I understood falcon's perspective because I share it. Because I agree with it. And I think most peoples' here history with me should back up that I am JUST that kind of "heart" player. I would rather keep an old friend that I miss in the game than go after them for any reason at all.
Name one player that fits the bill more than G-man, even in this game with fingersplints, JJJ, Sloonei, Roxy, G-man stands out as a very special presence that I would have liked to appreciate for more than Day 1.
The wolves made a mistake, and the result is that they might as well kill me on Night 2, now, as respectfully as possible, please remove this obviously off-target vote from me, and let's try and expand this concept further.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm[VOTE:
delta] aubergine That was easy to understand.
I'm kinda just caught off guard by it is all?
Yeah, that feels exagerrated though. Kind of fake.
I don't like this.
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Nah, that's bull. I don't know if this narrative of single voters has merit, but I see no difference between them and a Sloonei voter. At all.
Delta's reaction to falcon wanting to keep players in that hadn't played in a while was not believable to me, the level of "oh my god WHAT??" was cranked too high. Artificial drama. My suspicion should be pretty legitimate upon analysis, so analyze and try again please.
b) I understood falcon's perspective because I share it. Because I agree with it. And I think most peoples' here history with me should back up that I am JUST that kind of "heart" player. I would rather keep an old friend that I miss in the game than go after them for any reason at all.
Name one player that fits the bill more than G-man, even in this game with fingersplints, JJJ, Sloonei, Roxy, G-man stands out as a very special presence that I would have liked to appreciate for more than Day 1.
The wolves made a mistake, and the result is that they might as well kill me on Night 2, now, as respectfully as possible, please remove this obviously off-target vote from me, and let's try and expand this concept further.
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
New game - yay! Glad we have some time as I am on my way to work.
Happy Fry-YAY!!!!!
Hello hello! o/
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Be the cereal you wish to see in the world.
[VOTE:
Roxy-Os] aubergine
but I was? Why do you hate Fruity Pebbles?
I would never be so bland as to be anything associated with an "O's" FYI!
Loved Fruity Pebbles as a kid. Nothing like seeing your milk get moldy in the span of six minutes.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm[VOTE:
delta] aubergine That was easy to understand.
I'm kinda just caught off guard by it is all?
Yeah, that feels exagerrated though. Kind of fake.
I don't like this.
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Nah, that's bull. I don't know if this narrative of single voters has merit, but I see no difference between them and a Sloonei voter. At all.
Delta's reaction to falcon wanting to keep players in that hadn't played in a while was not believable to me, the level of "oh my god WHAT??" was cranked too high. Artificial drama. My suspicion should be pretty legitimate upon analysis, so analyze and try again please.
b) I understood falcon's perspective because I share it. Because I agree with it. And I think most peoples' here history with me should back up that I am JUST that kind of "heart" player. I would rather keep an old friend that I miss in the game than go after them for any reason at all.
Name one player that fits the bill more than G-man, even in this game with fingersplints, JJJ, Sloonei, Roxy, G-man stands out as a very special presence that I would have liked to appreciate for more than Day 1.
The wolves made a mistake, and the result is that they might as well kill me on Night 2, now, as respectfully as possible, please remove this obviously off-target vote from me, and let's try and expand this concept further.
I dont see how I played up my reaction at all. It was one word, friend. But
Of course, this is a game of subtleties. One word is one word; the intention behind it is what I have to decipher. My perspective on Lime's notable moves EoD1 were "geez, this is sketchy, he's in danger of suddenly becoming a counterwagon with this unusual stuff".
UNTIL he explained the reasoning, and that immediately slid the perspective back into alignment for me.
BUT you were still angling toward "this guy's unbelievable", yes with one word, but it is that attempt to hang on to that 'maybe this is enough to vote him' perspective that I read into that post... that is too far into predatory to let slide.
This is easy to defend against, because it is reading into a subtlety. But that's the game. [VOTE:
delta] aubergine
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
New game - yay! Glad we have some time as I am on my way to work.
Happy Fry-YAY!!!!!
Hello hello! o/
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Be the cereal you wish to see in the world.
[VOTE:
Roxy-Os] aubergine
but I was? Why do you hate Fruity Pebbles?
I would never be so bland as to be anything associated with an "O's" FYI!
Loved Fruity Pebbles as a kid. Nothing like seeing your milk get moldy in the span of six minutes.
Anyway, I don't think you're mafia.
No longer Roxy-Os.
You can be Roxy-Bran.
Let me preface by saying if you're mafia, then I'm just silly. Silly to ask this question.
I said you would never, ever kill G-Man on night one. Am I right?
I can be wrong and you can still be town. I'm just curious if my perspective is correct.
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
New game - yay! Glad we have some time as I am on my way to work.
Happy Fry-YAY!!!!!
Hello hello! o/
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Be the cereal you wish to see in the world.
[VOTE:
Roxy-Os] aubergine
but I was? Why do you hate Fruity Pebbles?
I would never be so bland as to be anything associated with an "O's" FYI!
Loved Fruity Pebbles as a kid. Nothing like seeing your milk get moldy in the span of six minutes.
Anyway, I don't think you're mafia.
No longer Roxy-Os.
You can be Roxy-Bran.
Let me preface by saying if you're mafia, then I'm just silly. Silly to ask this question.
I said you would never, ever kill G-Man on night one. Am I right?
I can be wrong and you can still be town. I'm just curious if my perspective is correct.
I've just arrived at page 5, so I haven't seen your comment.
My very reasoning for calling Roxy good was the death of G-Man. I don't think that's her choice. A teammate? Perhaps.
But I would personally object to a G-Man kill on Day 1 (and I'm never absent in chat).
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:02 pm
Question for Epi: Will you please elaborate on your vote for Roxy? You attempted no interactions with her prior to that point. What's the substance behind that vote?
There wasn't much to it. I picked Roxy based on the post in which I voted and that was that. Then off to work for 27 hours.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Be the cereal you wish to see in the world.
[VOTE:
Roxy-Os] aubergine
but I was? Why do you hate Fruity Pebbles?
I would never be so bland as to be anything associated with an "O's" FYI!
Loved Fruity Pebbles as a kid. Nothing like seeing your milk get moldy in the span of six minutes.
Anyway, I don't think you're mafia.
No longer Roxy-Os.
You can be Roxy-Bran.
Let me preface by saying if you're mafia, then I'm just silly. Silly to ask this question.
I said you would never, ever kill G-Man on night one. Am I right?
I can be wrong and you can still be town. I'm just curious if my perspective is correct.
I've just arrived at page 5, so I haven't seen your comment.
My very reasoning for calling Roxy good was the death of G-Man. I don't think that's her choice. A teammate? Perhaps.
But I would personally object to a G-Man kill on Day 1 (and I'm never absent in chat).
I know that's cheese, but it's real cheese.
I'm pretty much committed to being made of cheese at this point.
Delta wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:46 am
Any thoughts so far?
You and Jay have done an adequate job of hoisting this game out of the silent void it was resting in. Enough so to award you each a townie point.
Sloonei's Maf
Enlightening
Tell me more?
You asked him for thoughts on the game, and he gave the most boiler plate response I can think of for a Maf to not ruffle feathers D1
Sometimes it just be like that.
I've had an odd time trying to develop a meta read on falcon in the few games I've played over the last couple years. He's been a constant presence in those games, and he was already a somewhat familiar face before I took my sabbatical. But over the last, say, 5-6 games that I have played I have felt like I have seen a trend where mafia-falcon is a bit more reckless with his early-game accusations. These posts felt like they leaned a bit more toward that side of the spectrum.
The initial gripe, that I gave "the most boiler plate response" possible, followed by a generic prod + vote felt hollow to me. It felt more like the version of falcon I've seen that's more interested in causing a ruckus than in actually solving the players he's grilling. Evidently I was wrong.
OK fair...sometimes
What are your thoughts now? Have you any other reads you could share?
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:19 pm[VOTE:
sloon] aubergine
You and Jay have done an adequate job of hoisting this game out of the silent void it was resting in. Enough so to award you each a townie point.
Sloonei's Maf
Enlightening
Tell me more?
You asked him for thoughts on the game, and he gave the most boiler plate response I can think of for a Maf to not ruffle feathers D1
Sometimes it just be like that.
OK fair...sometimes
What are your thoughts now? Have you any other reads you could share?
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:19 pm[VOTE:
sloon] aubergine
I've had an odd time trying to develop a meta read on falcon in the few games I've played over the last couple years. He's been a constant presence in those games, and he was already a somewhat familiar face before I took my sabbatical. But over the last, say, 5-6 games that I have played I have felt like I have seen a trend where mafia-falcon is a bit more reckless with his early-game accusations. These posts felt like they leaned a bit more toward that side of the spectrum.
The initial gripe, that I gave "the most boiler plate response" possible, followed by a generic prod + vote felt hollow to me. It felt more like the version of falcon I've seen that's more interested in causing a ruckus than in actually solving the players he's grilling. Evidently I was wrong.
I did this before I realized that Long Con was already parked there. Whoops. I don't want to create the illusion of a strong wagon in a game of this size and volume.
But I have a silly idea in my head that I want to pursue.
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When time permits I will really dig into Delta to see how I feel about that wagon. Whatever one makes of the night kill, I think he has been arguably the game's biggest mover (and I think he has looked authentic in that effort). I acknowledge that's not as high a "game mover" bar as I would like.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:05 pm[VOTE:
Lime Coke] aubergine fits G-Man theory, I think, and hasn't played like someone on a redemption arc.
Yeah, he came in strong-sounding, but didn't blossom.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:08 pm
When time permits I will really dig into Delta to see how I feel about that wagon. Whatever one makes of the night kill, I think he has been arguably the game's biggest mover (and I think he has looked authentic in that effort). I acknowledge that's not as high a "game mover" bar as I would like.
I noted when you called attention to the towny post by Delta, and I did/do agree it's towny-sounding. Weighing it against my current vote, that singular vote is not hard enough to fake to convince me it's Town-evidential.
Are there other posts from Delta with that level of "I SEE Delta's Town perspective" in them?
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:11 pm
I noted when you called attention to the towny post by Delta, and I did/do agree it's towny-sounding. Weighing it against my current vote, that singular vote is not hard enough to fake to convince me it's Town-evidential.
Are there other posts from Delta with that level of "I SEE Delta's Town perspective" in them?
It's a holistic impression of mine more than something inspired by very specific moments. Still, off the top of my head (with a quick ISO scan), beyond the one you mentioned already, his overall handling of falcon seemed decent to me.
Before he made that post in falcon's favor, he'd engaged falcon directly to build on my initial hurling of the poop at falcon. He'd kinda set the table to sus falcon if he wanted to, but in the end he adopted a nuanced view with falcon in a favorable light. I felt a certain solving cohesion with Delta in that sense, because I followed a similar trajectory with falcon.
This is one example, and I don't want to expand much beyond that for the time being. I'd prefer Delta answer accusers for himself.
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G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 2:53 pm
POE:
Falcon
Lime Coke
Long Con
Roxy
Sloonei
NOT TODAY:
Delta
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Fingersplints
G-Man
JaggedJimmyJay
For reference. Note that Delta was in a "TBD" position as G-Man worked through this until he decided to include him in the "Not Today" group at the end. If we apply G-Man kill theory (both who wouldn't do it, and who would have a reason to do it), this may leave a decently constrained POE pool. Lime Coke stands out.
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G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 2:53 pm
Wadding all my other ISO's into one post so I can paint paint paint.
@Lime Coke feels more like a flat vanilla to me. I get RL being an obstacle, but I don't see anything in the ISO to feel positive about. That's how you get out of the POE at this point. Coming back in now with the "wow I just don't know who to vote for" isn't helpful either. It's time to force pegs into holes and make some conclusions for the day.
Question for Lime Coke- What are your impressions of Epignosis, Roxy, and Sloonei? None of them appear in your ISO.
Question for the group- Given more time to engage and participate, what's constitutes a full-carbonated version of Lime Coke?
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 2:53 pm
@Sloonei's activity feels stale. Either retirement has robbed him of his vigor or he's tip-toeing. I need more content with substance, but I'm not impressed so far.
Question for Sloonei- Has WIlgy given you anything to evaluate him with yet?
Question for the group- Is stale, unremarkable Sloonei content enough to remove him from your POE today?
If I go by "Who killed G-Man?" these are my top two picks.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm[VOTE:
delta] aubergine That was easy to understand.
I'm kinda just caught off guard by it is all?
Yeah, that feels exagerrated though. Kind of fake.
I don't like this.
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Nah, that's bull. I don't know if this narrative of single voters has merit, but I see no difference between them and a Sloonei voter. At all.
Delta's reaction to falcon wanting to keep players in that hadn't played in a while was not believable to me, the level of "oh my god WHAT??" was cranked too high. Artificial drama. My suspicion should be pretty legitimate upon analysis, so analyze and try again please.
b) I understood falcon's perspective because I share it. Because I agree with it. And I think most peoples' here history with me should back up that I am JUST that kind of "heart" player. I would rather keep an old friend that I miss in the game than go after them for any reason at all.
Name one player that fits the bill more than G-man, even in this game with fingersplints, JJJ, Sloonei, Roxy, G-man stands out as a very special presence that I would have liked to appreciate for more than Day 1.
The wolves made a mistake, and the result is that they might as well kill me on Night 2, now, as respectfully as possible, please remove this obviously off-target vote from me, and let's try and expand this concept further.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:28 pm
Further expansion 1: Epignosis didn't kill G-man on Night 1.
This is not a viewpoint that I foresee ever changing my mind on.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:50 pm
I get the impression that the quick "conflict" up to the 5pm deadline between Delta and DrWilgy was fakeballs.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Also Epi, I think you've seen my 'vote's secure, time to bullshit posting' I've tried starting 10 min till EoD GTHes. You think banter about the wagons at hand is similar to this?
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:50 pm
I get the impression that the quick "conflict" up to the 5pm deadline between Delta and DrWilgy was fakeballs.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:50 pm
I get the impression that the quick "conflict" up to the 5pm deadline between Delta and DrWilgy was fakeballs.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm[VOTE:
delta] aubergine That was easy to understand.
I'm kinda just caught off guard by it is all?
Yeah, that feels exagerrated though. Kind of fake.
I don't like this.
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Nah, that's bull. I don't know if this narrative of single voters has merit, but I see no difference between them and a Sloonei voter. At all.
Delta's reaction to falcon wanting to keep players in that hadn't played in a while was not believable to me, the level of "oh my god WHAT??" was cranked too high. Artificial drama. My suspicion should be pretty legitimate upon analysis, so analyze and try again please.
b) I understood falcon's perspective because I share it. Because I agree with it. And I think most peoples' here history with me should back up that I am JUST that kind of "heart" player. I would rather keep an old friend that I miss in the game than go after them for any reason at all.
Name one player that fits the bill more than G-man, even in this game with fingersplints, JJJ, Sloonei, Roxy, G-man stands out as a very special presence that I would have liked to appreciate for more than Day 1.
The wolves made a mistake, and the result is that they might as well kill me on Night 2, now, as respectfully as possible, please remove this obviously off-target vote from me, and let's try and expand this concept further.
I dont see how I played up my reaction at all. It was one word, friend. But
Of course, this is a game of subtleties. One word is one word; the intention behind it is what I have to decipher. My perspective on Lime's notable moves EoD1 were "geez, this is sketchy, he's in danger of suddenly becoming a counterwagon with this unusual stuff".
UNTIL he explained the reasoning, and that immediately slid the perspective back into alignment for me.
BUT you were still angling toward "this guy's unbelievable", yes with one word, but it is that attempt to hang on to that 'maybe this is enough to vote him' perspective that I read into that post... that is too far into predatory to let slide.
This is easy to defend against, because it is reading into a subtlety. But that's the game. [VOTE:
delta] aubergine
And yet I never held it against Brad as a means of scumreading him & instead tried to find a middle ground with him. I said D1 that I didnt want to kill him & that didnt change EOD either, just tried to work out if there was a different vote he would've joined from what was on the table at the time
Delta wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 2:43 pm
Selfishly dont really want to kill Epi but not as confident as I tend to be on him being town.
I'm curious on why this qualifies as "selfish."
Because my reason not to kill you was that, out of the people here, I find that I tend to agree with your takes if we're in a game together.
So while I'm not as sure on you, I didnt want to kill you because I want to have time to work out where you're at and see if there's something I can click with in your reads