Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [LEGION CONQUEST]

[Creature]

They talk later about their reasons and it was not the mech post. But you assume it is and run with it and ask questions about that.

It's strange to me that Lime Coke rushes to call you town too given the above.

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

It is a bit of a misrepresentation to frame it like this, they made their posts at the start of the day and haven't posted since then. As for me I don't have an opinion on Creature yet but didn't find their early posts to be alarming (though I also dislike when people say they're not good on day 1 like this)

Ftr my reads are going to be somewhat horrible D1 until I adjust them accordingly in posterior days. This is why I am warning all of you I might look awkward during D1 but then D2 can change a lot.

[Creature]

Oh welp maybe I am talking too much about myself. I hope the next posts I find aren't solely focused on my one opening.

[Creature]

Why for both? Why maybe?

Chelsea's questioning of me feels towny since she isn't just trying to kill me or get me in a gotcha it's just trying to figure out what I'm doing.


Manny because of him looking to sheep Chelsea but doesn't instantly do it the moment she votes someone and questions it.

Maybe because it's something Manny can do as mafia but I'm choosing to think it's town.

I think the Chelsea townread makes sense here. Manny townread not so much.

[Creature]

My early feelings are ☆Princess Abigail☆ and Michelle leaning towny

Lime Coke maybe leaning town

Manny leaning mafia

Dunnstral's reads here are very agreeable. Not sure if this is a good sign or a bad sign.

[Creature]

Linking activity with towniness when people come from different time zones is not what I will trust as an actual thought

Activity matters for some players. Though content is more important even for them.

[Creature]

Kinda leaning Michelle town, but I'd rather see a post from her that makes me go like "yeah, this is town", just like I got a post from Lime Coke that made me say that.

[Michelle]

Kinda leaning Michelle town, but I'd rather see a post from her that makes me go like "yeah, this is town", just like I got a post from Lime Coke that made me say that.

Idk if you find, tbh

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User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆91
Scotty81
Michelle72
Manny63
Lime Coke50
Dunnstral44
MacDougall42
Chelsea34
LanMisa34
Jackofhearts200528
Creature25
falcon45ca19
Seanzie19
Long Con18
sig17
Epignosis8
JaggedJimmyJay7
TonyStarkPrime3
Justplayingitcool1
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[Manny]

I’m not a fan of Manny random vote

id be surprised if u were a fan of me voting u ngl

[Creature]

M-m-m-mafia

hi nerd

Ha some retirement

They talk later about their reasons and it was not the mech post. But you assume it is and run with it and ask questions about that.

It's strange to me that Lime Coke rushes to call you town too given the above.

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

It is a bit of a misrepresentation to frame it like this, they made their posts at the start of the day and haven't posted since then. As for me I don't have an opinion on Creature yet but didn't find their early posts to be alarming (though I also dislike when people say they're not good on day 1 like this)

Can you talk a little about your playstyle?
Also if you can link recent games as both alignaments it would be nice

M-m-m-mafia

Hello Michelle, pleasure to see you

M-m-m-mafia

Mac!!!!!! Hiiii!!!

Hello Abi. A pleasure as always indeed.

And to all who didn't greet me, a pox on your houses

Where is @MacDougall ?

I have to work, but when I come back I want your reads, sir!

Also @LanMisa how are you? I hope you have time to play this game

If Mac doesn't call me town he's wolfing

I was going to.

Still am, but I also was going to.

Lime
Michelle
Creature
-
Dunnstral
Abigail

GN

@Creature going to require citation on that one.

My feeling is most of the mafia have yet to post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Ama.

Did Mac rand wolf here? I don't like this string of posts and the last post of the string was by far the worst.

[Manny]

Creature can be V ig

Creature/Lan/Mich/Scotty/Brad/Mac V

if i had to add anyone else it'd prolly be dunnstral but i refuse to do it by virtue of them not tr'ing me :hmmyes:

[Manny]

Maybe rescind the Brad tr if he doesnt pop up and do stuff before EoD.

[Creature]

Just got to page 6 and I am pretty bored already

I think Michelle, Lime Coke and Princess Abigail are my top townreads.

Chelsea is kinda towny, but not by much.

I am unimpressed by Dunnstral, Manny and falcon45ca.

Mac and Seanzie looked the worst.

[Manny]

I am unimpressed by Dunnstral, Manny and falcon45ca.

Herculean ability to unimpress everyone.

[Creature]

Just got to page 6 and I am pretty bored already

I think Michelle, Lime Coke and Princess Abigail are my top townreads.

Chelsea is kinda towny, but not by much.

I am unimpressed by Dunnstral, Manny and falcon45ca.

Mac and Seanzie looked the worst.

Maybe I would add Scotty with Chelsea.

He seems towny, but not as obvious as Michelle, Lime Coke and Princess Abigail.

Though, if Princess Abigail is Neon they might be pretty good at faking tone here.

[Creature]

Okay, managed to catch up properly. Thoughts so far:

Townreads: Chelsea, Scotty

Both had strong openings, don't shy away from making waves and throwing out reads early, both feel inquisitive and mindful

Slight townleans: Abigail, Michelle
Abigail had some volume that I consider "empty" but also one banger reads list. I kinda agree that wolves don't seem to have a lot of thread presence yet since I townread all the players who made waves so far.

Michelle feels towny in tone and approach as well but it has been ages since I had meaningful games with Michelle so I am not quite up to date on how to read her.

Neutral: Lime, Creature
Lime had the slight issue in my eyes that I felt like he was mostly going for the "everyone is happiness" approach, a strategy I like to do in uninspired wolf games that can come from TMI and a lack of easy pushes. I disliked the "forcing townreads" stuff. I don't have any direct issue with a single post though, so... we'll see where this goes.

Creature has a NAI Creature opening so far but as per usual I will roast you over the fiery pit if I don't get to see at least SOME reads and gameplay-related posts before the end of the phase - THIS is usually what makes Creature obvious, whether his whining gets backed up by an attempt of participation - or not.

Worrisome: Manny, seanzie, Dunnstral
Manny feels less energetic than I'd thought I'd see him play in a game with several of the people he himself recruited. I do have a potential explanation on why he'd play the way he does (at least if this could be compared to MU games) but... I honestly hoped to find Manny early D1 and just chill, which is not the case.

Dunnstral has had a lot of posts but nothing so far managed to stick with me. If someone else knows how to read Dunn I'm all ears, but from experience this is something that's either wolf indicative - or a clash of playstyle/personal tiredness.

seanzie had a lot of nothing paired with a long period of absence, and as I said earlier it's the one take from Scotty that I disagree with, so far.

Rest of the crowd didn't leave an impression enough to be on this list yet.

I think this post looks good for LanMisa?

They're pretty spot on about my meta as I tend to react pretty differently when I come back into the thread after having nearly no content. Though, maybe saying that before testing me first comes up as a bit unnecessary?

Anyway, I mostly agree with the Seanzie wolfread.

I dunno about Manny being less energetic meaning anything for them. Perhaps they just got the highposting fatigue from other games.

Actually maybe the most concerning thing about this list is that reads feel mostly consensus, except that Lime Coke wasn't instatownread here.

[Creature]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post.

Agreed. Because I share this viewpoint I will light townread you. It shows Chelsea hasn’t really read the thread before making a blanket statement/read.

Also light scum read Chelsea.

Current list:

Townread:
Seanzie
Princess Abbi
TSP

Townlean:
Dunnstral

Scum lean:
Lime Coke
Chelsea
Creature

Scumread:
Michelle

Is this readslist intentionally upsidedown?

[Creature]

I will not vote creature

I will not vote creature

Creature has the worst entrance but I will not vote creature

Creature entrance was very weird? Honestly it was so weird I wanna town read them lol

Yes, that's usually town indicative for me. I am pretty blendy as a wolf.

[Creature]

Creature and sig are wolves.

Epi cosplaying as Three Billboards Outside New Vegas is NAI on the long run for him honestly, but the content is not towny to me.

Are you listing me as a wolf for disappearing half of the day?

[Creature]

Kinda leaning Michelle town, but I'd rather see a post from her that makes me go like "yeah, this is town", just like I got a post from Lime Coke that made me say that.

Idk if you find, tbh

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Who posted - Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 1] - 655 replies
User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆91
Scotty81
Michelle72
Manny63
Lime Coke50
Dunnstral44
MacDougall42
Chelsea34
LanMisa34
Jackofhearts200528
Creature25
falcon45ca19
Seanzie19
Long Con18
sig17
Epignosis8
JaggedJimmyJay7
TonyStarkPrime3
Justplayingitcool1
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Yep, I didn't find it. But I think you're good enough. I'll prob get confident once I see a good wolfread of yours turning out to be right.

[Creature]

Creature can be V ig

Creature/Lan/Mich/Scotty/Brad/Mac V

if i had to add anyone else it'd prolly be dunnstral but i refuse to do it by virtue of them not tr'ing me :hmmyes:

Gonna need to explain Mac. It looks like he's trying to go for a show when he got nothing to offer.

[Creature]

I am unimpressed by Dunnstral, Manny and falcon45ca.

Herculean ability to unimpress everyone.

Your pfp gives the mood.

[Manny]

Gonna need to explain Mac. It looks like he's trying to go for a show when he got nothing to offer.

He seemed fine when i was realtiming with him and i dont have much interest in d1'ing him.

[Creature]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I don't feel like I disagree with any of the wagons. Though, sig and Manny are close to null for me.

I think I am more happy with Mac v Seanzie because both seemed forced.

[Creature]

Gonna need to explain Mac. It looks like he's trying to go for a show when he got nothing to offer.

He seemed fine when i was realtiming with him and i dont have much interest in d1'ing him.

I doubt he's getting D1ed because he's Mac, but atm I think he's more likely wolfing. Came off as quite unimpressive.

[Chelsea]

Will catch up a few hours before EoD because I was banned from mafia for the holiday :^)

[Manny]

I doubt he's getting D1ed because he's Mac, but atm I think he's more likely wolfing. Came off as quite unimpressive.

The last part means pretty little to me considering i've been called unimpressive by about 70% of the PL and i know im town
[tbf im also against voting him cuz of the vague idea in the thread of him being a diffcheck with me so if he's V i feel like ill just get miss-exed tomorrow and thats game-losing]

[Michelle]

@MacDougall come play sir

[VOTE: BigMac] aubergine

[Michelle]

@MacDougall come play sir

[VOTE: BigMac] aubergine

@MacDougall

[Michelle]

Manny still feels like a low motivated wolf and his wagon doesn't grow which is concerning.
But maybe it's because people are not active?
Hard to tell.

[Michelle]

I’d really like to max post but I’m working too much these days. I’m town

We need something from Tony as well.
This town claim wasn't bad for RVS time though.
But I don't like inactivity after this post

Also gotta eat someone fill me in

Idk if anyone answered but still.

Otoh, what is wolf!Tony expecting to accomplish by not being here at all?

[Manny]

Manny still feels like a low motivated wolf and his wagon doesn't grow which is concerning.

Whats the difference between a low motivated town and a low motivated wolf?.

[Seanzie]

While I am voting Mac, I really don't like how the wagons today have become me/Mac.

Very bad D1 wagons, lemme tell you.

Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

[Seanzie]

Sig's a pretty meh D1 yeet, but meh... probably still better than me/Mac

[Manny]

Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

I'd be surprised if Lime is a wolf here tbh, it'd mean he has improved his wolfgame a lot compared to my mental conception of it.
I also think Scotty is more likely town than not but maybe im just a sucker considering Mac also sr'd him and i have 0 meta of them.
Epi is fine as a vote in my brain

[Michelle]

Manny still feels like a low motivated wolf and his wagon doesn't grow which is concerning.

Whats the difference between a low motivated town and a low motivated wolf?.

Dunno, you tell me.


I forgot Mac is sleeping at this hour, just checked what time is it.
Also is an hour when people don't play much in America.
And I have to sleep

[Seanzie]

Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

I'd be surprised if Lime is a wolf here tbh, it'd mean he has improved his wolfgame a lot compared to my mental conception of it.
I also think Scotty is more likely town than not but maybe im just a sucker considering Mac also sr'd him and i have 0 meta of them.
Epi is fine as a vote in my brain

Lime was considered to be very polarized for a long time, but he has had at least a few wolf games where he did well, and while I doubt he has become the world's best wolf, if you're going off old meta with him, you might be underestimating him.

[Manny]

Dunno, you tell me.

Im not the one reading others based on low motivation :curtain:

[Michelle]

Dunno, you tell me.

Im not the one reading others based on low motivation :curtain:

Actually low motivated town look more like Tony than like you.

[Manny]

Actually low motivated town look more like Tony than like you.

So doing nothing?.
I would argue Tony is straight up inactive moreso than low motivation but ig its just semantics

[Long Con]

@Seanzie What was up with that entrance?

Why do you think scum Lime would be afraid of you? You entered this game with some sort of LC2 obsession or domething.

@sig Why do you think Mac's alignment will be clear by Day 3? In my experience, he's a savvy enough Mafia player to be harder than that to slot.

If you look at all the "active players" at any moment in this thread and think "they're all town" then you're either a huge sucker, or non-town yourself.

Oh yeah

I'd be pretty concerned if I were townreading all the active players unless it was like early game

.... but it IS early game...?

Why is it "obviously"?

I think this is roughly where I left off.

…

He says before receiving a text and disappearing for a few hours after finding his spot.

Must have been quite the text.

After playing Don't Starve mafia I feel like in Syndicate I am playing against AIs learning mafia

For how long have you been playing Mafia?

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.

You can go inactive for long periods of time on MU and no one cares?

I am unimpressed by Dunnstral, Manny and falcon45ca.

Herculean ability to unimpress everyone.

Your pfp gives the mood.

What's pfp?

[Scotty]

I’m not a fan of Manny random vote

I’m not either ngl
Very naked. Naked mole rat vote

Dunno if that has bearing on you.

[Scotty]

Have a feeling this one's gonna be disappointing with how this started.

Why is that?

Very slow start.

Probably gonna be inactive as hell.

I will be misyeeted because people will do dumb things.

Town will lose afterwards.

That would be annoying I need some wins

Fucking same I think I've only gotten 1 win since I came back.

1) Rand town
2) Do your best
3) Die and watch town ignore wolves
4) Lose

or

1) Rand wolf
2) Get lynched D1
3) Let your wolfmates carry you
4) Win

Yeah, that’s the predicament I’m in with you.

I’m leaning on you being #2

[Long Con]

Ok, that was catchup from bedtime to now. Still have a tab open where I have to read page 7 to, like, 11. So probably there'll be some posts responding to that area at some point, next time I take a break from ye olde life. Right now I have to unload hay bales and take a load of scrap to the scrapyard because they close in 2 hours.

I am not a fan of people generally cutting up The Syndicate, but looking at the Hall of Fame I see what looks like a larger-than-usual number of Mafia wins over the last year or two, so maybe the criticisms are valid.

[Scotty]

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.

Remind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?

[Long Con]

I’m not a fan of Manny random vote

I’m not either ngl
Very naked. Naked mole rat vote

Dunno if that has bearing on you.

Naked vote. That's a vote without explanation, right?

What do you mean by the last sentence, you don't know if Manny 'naked-voting' sig has any bearing on sig?

[Manny]

Very naked. Naked mole rat vote

its a "i have no reason to think they're town" vote.
dont think saying that does anything for sig or anyone so didnt.

[Long Con]

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.

Remind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?

What is this softball crap? You think he's going to roll over for you??

[Long Con]

Very naked. Naked mole rat vote

its a "i have no reason to think they're town" vote.
dont think saying that does anything for sig or anyone so didnt.

Well, saying that does slightly more than saying nothing.

[Scotty]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post.

Agreed. Because I share this viewpoint I will light townread you. It shows Chelsea hasn’t really read the thread before making a blanket statement/read.

Also light scum read Chelsea.

Current list:

Townread:
Seanzie
Princess Abbi
TSP

Townlean:
Dunnstral

Scum lean:
Lime Coke
Chelsea
Creature

Scumread:
Michelle

Is this readslist intentionally upsidedown?

[Scotty]

Creature and sig are wolves.

Epi cosplaying as Three Billboards Outside New Vegas is NAI on the long run for him honestly, but the content is not towny to me.

Are you listing me as a wolf for disappearing half of the day?

Possibly. I will say that it’s a better look for you for your stream of consciousness here with an effort when you’re not currently on the chopping block