Landlord Legacy Listing - Day Six (6)

[WindwardAway]

Scotty town
Lily town
SVS town

Hmmmmmmm

i wanted nook d1, brad was the chop and i told scotty to not kill lily, svs was in cold blood yes

Do I really need to pull up the posts where you took credit for the lily kill (honestly you've switched positions on your responsibility for this kill with the thread flow so much it's astonishing)

You buried SVS your lies are full of contradictions

I mean we both know I won't go pull up the posts but I could do that means anyone reading your iso can find them so if you want to silence me better get your lackies to form the train on me or I'm gonna keep barreling down this track and you know i'm loud and hard to kill the longer I'm alive and the more I can obv town.

bro that’s not my argument, i don’t give a fuck what your read on me is in all honesty, i’ve accepted that you’re wrong and i’ll die before you change your attitude

my argument is that you’re being useless and need to solve outside of me, you and long con voting me again tomorrow ensures my me and my groupies kill whoever we please

i believe you are town and long con but you’re being empty slots and are doing nothing at all

My reads are pretty obvious and out there I'm focused on you yes because you need to die

But I'm not ignoring solving the thread lol

I think I've made it really obvious I think Nook Bereft Wilgy WWA are town.

why nook and wigly

and besides me do you suspect anyone?

Sure do. Anyone I don't town read.

The book nook and Wilgy are pretty obviously not pushing a wolf agenda I look at their play and go is this towny or wolfy

Hm makes more sense from town than wolf

Cool they are town

And than I move on with my life and try to get the wolf killed

I think Wilgy is town but maybe for other reasons
I'm not totally sure on nook
He's probably not pushing agenda, true, but like... Neither was marmot, lol

[WindwardAway]

PoE feels like Boq, Ender, Nook.

Will sort further later.

Why Ender? Curious to know what the case on him is. On D1 pretty much everyone said he was towny, but as of D3 I've seen reads on him trending down, so I'm wondering why.

[WindwardAway]

Gonna give Robyn a cookie btw

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

[robyn]

Gonna give Robyn a cookie btw

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

how old are u wwa

[WindwardAway]

Gonna give Robyn a cookie btw

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

how old are u wwa

Old enough lol

[WindwardAway]

I turn 30 next week though if you were genuinely curious

[WindwardAway]

Ah shit, I couldve consolidated it on Long Con, oh well

[robyn]

I turn 30 next week though if you were genuinely curious

are u cishet

[WindwardAway]

I turn 30 next week though if you were genuinely curious

are u cishet

idk

[WindwardAway]

Is this about the cookie comment or what

[WindwardAway]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

Bereft town.

WWA is schrodinger's Werewolf.

Can't decide how much I dislike this post
It's kinda nullish but I don't like nook's post that ender was responding to
It hasn't been enough for me to scumread nook, though

Also I'm sorry this is useless hedge, I'm trying to figure out where the holes in my reads are. If I'm incorrectly townreading a wolf, it's Ender or boquise off wagonomics, but I've thought both to be socially towny, so I'm trying to go through their posts again and make a call, since I probably just die tonight (and can stop thinking about the game after that).

[WindwardAway]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I'm trying to think whether Ender could be paired with Brad or not

There was a post that Ender made about writing his legacy earlier too and I've been thinking whether or not there's any TMI there about the janitor, but it's just inconclusive. Also, if a wolf in the game were to write a legacy to fool town, I would not be surprised if Ender did. Or boquise. They're both very capable of wolfing and probably there will always be a townie that they fool into townreading them.

I'm gonna stop rambling and finish isoing ender before I run out of steam

[WindwardAway]

this is in line with my previous worldview of long con/porscha/wwa town which is something i believe fairly strongly in. i believe that brad committed the sin of having 7 townreads much too quickly. but i also wanna hear what you have to say because i disagree fairly strongly, have you ever seen brad drop off like this? (unless a wolf partner dies) @EnderWiggin

I might as well spell it out.

I explicitly think Brad's commentary around the vote manip (Joking about not noticing that Porscha lived despite Porscha posting alongside him) and his sudden "I think Scotty was wolf anyway" post kinda point to him being the reason the votes swapped.

And the fact that he claimed it so boldly (in my mind) kinda suggests to me he's not wolf with it. (Which supports my worldview that Porscha is wolf and being accused of the vote manip is a very "caught for the wrong reasons" indignation.)

Tbh the falling off is more wolf!brad which idk makes me feel less confident in this.

But the other part just feels like it works too well for me to ignore ya know?

Never mind, I don't think ender would be paired with Brad
He made this post, some other similar posts, and committed to voting Brad. iirc he could've voted elsewhere if he wanted to. So ender/Brad not w/w here. Any other combo is still possible.
Reminds me I should maybe look through brads iso too.

[WindwardAway]

Good news, I've actually read 3 pages.

why did Wiggins mention a nullmarmot but not a nullwilgy?

It is entirely possible I forgot you existed tbh

Ender and Wilgy probably unpaired

I shouldve outlined ender's whole progression on Brad when I quoted that post, but ender was saying he thought brads eod was more town indicative, was replying to Robyn and reinforcing his opinion, then said meh, he forgot to vote, voted Brad. And then after Brad died, ender said Brad was prob scum for not leaving a legacy.

Im still trying to untangle it in my head because ive been reading the iso backwards. I do that a lot to see if it changes my perspective, but this time I think I'm a bit too tired for it lol.

[WindwardAway]

Ok yeah idk what I want to believe about ender's alignment
I'm too tired for this
If I die, gg and good luck, town. I'm assuming my legacy will be wiped, but I don't think there's anything I didn't already say in the thread.

[Long Con]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

[WindwardAway]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

It's still possible that I die before you
Either of us, I guess and personally I'm looking forward to not having to keep up with the thread. Not that it's been hard, just that I feel like I'm not giving this game as much attention as I should.

[WindwardAway]

I forgot what I came back here to say -_- lol
I just wish I'd had the time/energy to read through a couple more isos tonight. Oh well. I won't be awake before end of night, I don't think.

[Bereft]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

This is a slip?

Seriously?

[Long Con]

...where? I think you read it differently than I meant it.

[Long Con]

I just meant that killing me won't kill a big town power role that some other player probably has.

[robyn]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

ur wrong on me

[robyn]

i am admittedly happy if you die, because you're a non slot, but also because of that wwa dies first

even if you're right on me you dying before wwa is nonsensical

[Long Con]

Oh good I'm a non slot so I can live

[Long Con]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

ur wrong on me

Maybe, but the things you said that were meant to convince me had the effect of making me more suspicious of you. Most of it, I read on my phone, during sneaky getaways from work. Didn't you say you do this as a wolf? I was like, "ah, good point, town for sure!" you know? If I'm even remembering what I read.

Tomorrow is a Halloween party I'm attending ,and my costume isn't complete. Most of my time tonight will be that, not rereading the night.

I'm sorry that my playstyle causes you frustration. You sound like you know a lot about Mafia, but my own experience contradicts much of what you say. No one cares or wants to hear about multiball crap so I'll spoiler it:

Spoiler: show

Again, only read through once and there were many posts I had responses to in my head. Won't get it all.

I've played and hosted games where the Independent team is one player, two players, three... they have had weird win conditions, murderous win conditions, recruitment, survival. We don't know the win conditions of the renters or the win conditions of the government agents. I am absolutely sure that those two factions exist, and I am interest only in the deaths of each and every one of them.

I have played on multiball mafia teams where we do nightkill prominent town, for various reasons, such as: -they're too damn good with their suspicions -it will implicate someone not on our team
-we believe the other baddie team will kill enough town to make it worthwhile to hunt them by day, and kill the unlynchable by night. The way you dictate how the kills 'would go' sounds like you learned it in a classroom, but that assuredly is not how games play out most of the time.

Not to mention that this is flipless, so believing you can divine the division of teams in this game through what you think the alignment of the dead is, is double-blind, yet you state it like it's a law of nature that everyone obviously knows.

I want to find the middle ground here. Do you disagree with any of the following: There are three factions. Landlords, Renters, Government Agents. The Landlords are considered Town, and you and I both claim to be Landlords. In order to win, we (Landlords) need to eliminate the Renters and the Government Agents. We don't know what their Win Conditions are.

Also, I can't believe you guys fell for that. S~V~S and I planned that whole legacy in scumchat in order to townclear me. So gullible, I couldn't even keep it up.

[EnderWiggin]

PoE feels like Boq, Ender, Nook.

Will sort further later.

Why Ender? Curious to know what the case on him is. On D1 pretty much everyone said he was towny, but as of D3 I've seen reads on him trending down, so I'm wondering why.

It's because I've been lazy and also haven't had time.

Gonna try putting some time in now tho. I won't be around for normal SOD so I'm getting some stuff done before.

[Boquise]

if we have yeeted 2 wolves, Robyn is cleared.

We haven't

There was something to be found in S~V~S' shoe


Legacy Day 3: Legacy Day Three SVS: I’m town, I’m a limited parity checker. I never had this kind of role before and I was looking forward to using it, but figured the jokes on me! Parity checking in a closed set up with no flips won’t tell me much, plus I only choose one target, the second person is random. I have three shots, Night One I chose Long Con, and Random. org chose Marmot ... and they came back two different alignments! LC as Hat, Marmot as Boot. I didn't know which was which though. Night Two though, I got lucky. I checked Windward cause I was pretty sure she was town, and she came back Hat! Same as LC. Random. org picked ME!! And I came back Hat too. So WWA and LC are town, since I am, too. Marmot is NOT town. He's a boot, a bad boot. So let's see who pushes back the hardest to save the boot!

A thorough search of Marmot's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

There was something to be found in S~V~S' shoe


Legacy Day 3: Legacy Day Three SVS: I’m town, I’m a limited parity checker. I never had this kind of role before and I was looking forward to using it, but figured the jokes on me! Parity checking in a closed set up with no flips won’t tell me much, plus I only choose one target, the second person is random. I have three shots, Night One I chose Long Con, and Random. org chose Marmot ... and they came back two different alignments! LC as Hat, Marmot as Boot. I didn't know which was which though. Night Two though, I got lucky. I checked Windward cause I was pretty sure she was town, and she came back Hat! Same as LC. Random. org picked ME!! And I came back Hat too. So WWA and LC are town, since I am, too. Marmot is NOT town. He's a boot, a bad boot. So let's see who pushes back the hardest to save the boot!

A thorough search of Marmot's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

so Marmot likely scum
Thats good info.

[Boquise]

aside from having my regular cleaning + go and drink coffee and read/write at the local café, I will be much more around in this game now when I am only playing 1 game (this one) tbh!

[Boquise]

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

ur wrong on me

Maybe, but the things you said that were meant to convince me had the effect of making me more suspicious of you. Most of it, I read on my phone, during sneaky getaways from work. Didn't you say you do this as a wolf? I was like, "ah, good point, town for sure!" you know? If I'm even remembering what I read.

Tomorrow is a Halloween party I'm attending ,and my costume isn't complete. Most of my time tonight will be that, not rereading the night.

I'm sorry that my playstyle causes you frustration. You sound like you know a lot about Mafia, but my own experience contradicts much of what you say. No one cares or wants to hear about multiball crap so I'll spoiler it:

Spoiler: show

Again, only read through once and there were many posts I had responses to in my head. Won't get it all.

I've played and hosted games where the Independent team is one player, two players, three... they have had weird win conditions, murderous win conditions, recruitment, survival. We don't know the win conditions of the renters or the win conditions of the government agents. I am absolutely sure that those two factions exist, and I am interest only in the deaths of each and every one of them.

I have played on multiball mafia teams where we do nightkill prominent town, for various reasons, such as: -they're too damn good with their suspicions -it will implicate someone not on our team
-we believe the other baddie team will kill enough town to make it worthwhile to hunt them by day, and kill the unlynchable by night. The way you dictate how the kills 'would go' sounds like you learned it in a classroom, but that assuredly is not how games play out most of the time.

Not to mention that this is flipless, so believing you can divine the division of teams in this game through what you think the alignment of the dead is, is double-blind, yet you state it like it's a law of nature that everyone obviously knows.

I want to find the middle ground here. Do you disagree with any of the following: There are three factions. Landlords, Renters, Government Agents. The Landlords are considered Town, and you and I both claim to be Landlords. In order to win, we (Landlords) need to eliminate the Renters and the Government Agents. We don't know what their Win Conditions are.

Also, I can't believe you guys fell for that. S~V~S and I planned that whole legacy in scumchat in order to townclear me. So gullible, I couldn't even keep it up.

i actually like it a lot that you brought forward the, now in hindsight, obvious thing that scum can just fake a role in their legacy and stuff. I am way too gullible and too easily read things straightforward without asking questions smh

[Boquise]

there's also the fact that every chop has been my call

nah
not lime coke tbh

idk why you wanna brag about this though lmao.

[Boquise]

The "rate of wolves dying". Yeah I'm sure robyn was responsible for marmot dying by inactivity. I'm not particularly sure what's going in this game but you would've thought wolves straight up gave up so far.

judging by my own play, i'd say town are the ones giving up. I find flipless super difficult to solve around, especially flipless + secret role list. So I feel like I am just randomly pressing buttons over here tbh. What makes you think wolves gave up?

[robyn]

there's also the fact that every chop has been my call

nah
not lime coke tbh

idk why you wanna brag about this though lmao.

how else do i tilt abbie and long con

[Boquise]

Don't you guys have anything better to do?

man this is cracking me up
perfect comedic timing, 10/10

[Boquise]

there's also the fact that every chop has been my call

nah
not lime coke tbh

idk why you wanna brag about this though lmao.

how else do i tilt abbie and long con

why do you want to tilt them

[robyn]

there's also the fact that every chop has been my call

nah
not lime coke tbh

idk why you wanna brag about this though lmao.

how else do i tilt abbie and long con

why do you want to tilt them

they’ve tilted me, tis fair play

[Boquise]

I wasn't sure if you wanted boq to answer before I do, but the wolf death rate I think is pretty simple. If you're not trying to save them from going over, or you're even voting them consistently, you're not a wolf. There's no need to bus in a flipless game.

[Boquise]

As for my read on you Robyn, I think if you are scum you'd be powerwolfing (which is why I posted this gif just now to wwa - i dont understand her logic).

It is more like, you fit the trope of a player who is in control of the game and doing them pushes. I think strategically you are were a wolf want to be in a flipless game. Theres no real sense of responsibility.

At the same time, I know you did not carry the NK.

My read circle demonstrates how my reads, at that time, were circling between various read spaces tbh

[EnderWiggin]

Took a nap in the middle there and did a bunch of skimming but have some thoughts put together

First of all, I'm partially assuming Brad is wolf here. Mostly because it makes the most sense out of play + outcome and it proved my PR theory on him wrong already.

Town (Very Likely):
Robyn - The way Robyn fought me on my Brad read and/or my PR read just doesn't make sense if they're partners. Not even from a bus perspective.
Nook - I have seen Nook wolf and town a lot. I dare say I have an above-rand read on him. Caveat of it being a few months since we played last. But the way he's interacted with me and the reads in thread make more sense from his town play.

Townish:
WWA - Possibly cleared by Mech. Possibly just cleared by towniness. (I think their hyper posting last day phase and the way they pushed thread content makes sense to me more as town for ex.)
Long Con - Possibly mech cleared. Kinda eh-er about this read tbh but putting it here now because it's easier. Also don't feel like he'd point the mech-thing out if he was fake-cleared.

Spice:
Abi - As much as I've disagreed with Abi's takes, the aggressive passion is more in line with what I think I recall from her town games. This is a meh read and I know it. Mortal Enemey tho.

Not so Nice:
Boq - Need to do some actual focus work on him but have felt like I've ignored his content even on my reread.
Wilgy - Honestly nearly posted this without adding the wilgster. I keep forgetting about him. His position on Marmot was good but it wasn't until he was on the proverbial chopping block that he has really come to play. Which is not a content set I like.

Fur growers:
Bereft - Has trended down and not done the things I was expecting from his town-self despite townreading him early. That on top of his attempt to prevent any Marmot wagon forming feel paired-ish. Yes this read is partially backed off of believing maybe mech.

[Boquise]

i think it is fair to sus me atp tbh
i fell down a hole after N1 tbh

[EnderWiggin]

As for my read on you Robyn, I think if you are scum you'd be powerwolfing (which is why I posted this gif just now to wwa - i dont understand her logic).

It is more like, you fit the trope of a player who is in control of the game and doing them pushes. I think strategically you are were a wolf want to be in a flipless game. Theres no real sense of responsibility.

At the same time, I know you did not carry the NK.

My read circle demonstrates how my reads, at that time, were circling between various read spaces tbh

Do you think LC wasn't wolf?

Tbh in the world where Brad was town I would have to seriously think about Robyn but that would require that town!Brad:
1. Didn't leave a legacy after it was talked about 57 thousand times that day phase (because of Lily not leaving a legacy.)
2. Fell off like wolf!Brad does and only roused at the end when attempting to save himself
3. Provided none of the aggressive defense that is patent!town brad.

Like, I can't say it can never happen that those are true, but also like the likelihood I bank on this one flipless game going so far against the trend is pretty low.

[EnderWiggin]

Also this could be a skill issue but I really dislike how Wilgy has had so little influence on events outside the surroundings of his own wagon that I keep forgetting about him.

[EnderWiggin]

@Long Con

I think after reviewing the kills I'm against a true multiball.

At best Rondo has done 3p but the 3p doesn't have a night kill so they're not a traditional SK/alt faction.

[EnderWiggin]

(Yes, yes, the above idea has been said many times but I'm repeating it. Also slightly echoes LC's actual thoughts in his spoiler which is why they're pointed at him.

Also just relevant because I am honestly reading Boq as one of the 3p)

[EnderWiggin]

I think any votes on marmot wasted due to their impending death in all likelihood.

I am abivalent wrt to both S~V~S and Wilgy's alignment. They both are playing as if they don't know much about what is going on, but I'm not confident in saying either is town.

Ftr this is the exact position I would imagine a wolf-partner of Marmot would be taking.

[robyn]

I think any votes on marmot wasted due to their impending death in all likelihood.

I am abivalent wrt to both S~V~S and Wilgy's alignment. They both are playing as if they don't know much about what is going on, but I'm not confident in saying either is town.

Ftr this is the exact position I would imagine a wolf-partner of Marmot would be taking.

bereft locktown uwu

[WindwardAway]

aside from having my regular cleaning + go and drink coffee and read/write at the local café, I will be much more around in this game now when I am only playing 1 game (this one) tbh!

Same, but I'm definitely gonna die here first lol

[EnderWiggin]

I think any votes on marmot wasted due to their impending death in all likelihood.

I am abivalent wrt to both S~V~S and Wilgy's alignment. They both are playing as if they don't know much about what is going on, but I'm not confident in saying either is town.

Ftr this is the exact position I would imagine a wolf-partner of Marmot would be taking.

bereft locktown uwu

[WindwardAway]

Also this could be a skill issue but I really dislike how Wilgy has had so little influence on events outside the surroundings of his own wagon that I keep forgetting about him.

He feels like a background character, but there are like one or two posts that made me think he was slightly towny

I'm not really sure, though, it's still not enough to clear him.

[Spacedaisy]

Night 3 Vote Tally
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (2) - Long Con, EnderWiggin
WindwardAway (2) - 1 + DrWilgy
Princess Abigail (1) - Princess Abigail
robyn (1) - WindwardAway
Long Con (1) - robyn
No Votes (2) - Boquise, Bereft

[Spacedaisy]

End of Night 3

Drake hung up his phone and tucked it away.

“Let me guess, another arrest?”

Drake gave a sullen nod.

“I’m telling you, Sarge. Lizard people,” Stanley loudly popped the gum he had been chewing for an hour now, “Or maybe aliens. I heard they found some alien bodies down in Mexico.”

Drake gritted his teeth and reminded himself he didn’t want to spend his life in jail for shooting his moron of a partner. “Sure, whatever. Aliens.” He hated this conversation almost as he hated this whole mess of a case. Drake watched in silence as the cops showed up, parked the black and white out front, lights still flashing and the two beat cops headed for the door. Just as they stepped on the porch they stopped.

“What are they doing?” Stanley asked.

“I don’t know, turn on the radio, would ya?”

Stanley flipped on the radio and they listened to crackle as the voice of the dispatcher said, “Repeat, arrest warrant revoked, do not advance on the perp.” The two cops retreated from the porch, hopped in their car and left without a backwards glance. This was above their paygrade.

“What the hell was that about?” Drake grumbled as he switched the radio off, “This makes no sense at all. Why would they pull an arrest warrant at the last minute?”

Stanley shrugged and commented with a grin, “I don’t know boss, but the truth is out there.”

“I hate this job,” was the only reply that Drake gave to the poorly timed X-Files reference. “It’s not aliens, you moron.”

Everything in this post is for flavor only

No one has been arrested.

It is now Day 4 and you have 24 hours to choose who to eliminate.

Night 4 Approaches

Spoiler: show

@DrWilgy @☆Princess Abigail☆ @Boquise @WindwardAway @EnderWiggin @robyn @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Bereft @Long Con