BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[pyxxy]

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how redirects work but for the red check to be a redirect, wouldn't Abi need to have been sent to a wolf to begin with?

If so, I cant see it being a redirect at all because town prot had just died, I dont see why anyone would then redirect a town to them/their partner?

I love mech but I'm still just an intermediate user of it, if I'm conflating redirection and bus driving, that's my bad

redirection:
- Abi targeted leetic for a cop check
- somehow all things targeted leetic were redirected onto another person
- (anything targeting that other person would still be used on that other person, this is what makes it redirection as opposed to...)

bus driving:
- Abi targeted leetic for a cop check
- scum bus drove leetic and a mafia
- so Abi ended up checking the scum that was in leetic's place

is how I would understand it? just to work through the highly theoretical mech excuse here

[Delta]

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how redirects work but for the red check to be a redirect, wouldn't Abi need to have been sent to a wolf to begin with?

If so, I cant see it being a redirect at all because town prot had just died, I dont see why anyone would then redirect a town to them/their partner?

If there was a busdriver by the normal use, then yes, and busdriver should speak up as the redirect swap would reveal the real red.

If it's redirect and shenanigans, then who knows?

Busdrivers ;_; havent a fucking clue what those are but I hear about them a lot

They dont exist on my site, can only assume due to it being a turbo site & it being awkward to try work around those in such short time.

I would assume then that the red check can be explained by a busdriver of sorts?

[leetic]

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how redirects work but for the red check to be a redirect, wouldn't Abi need to have been sent to a wolf to begin with?

If so, I cant see it being a redirect at all because town prot had just died, I dont see why anyone would then redirect a town to them/their partner?

Dizzy's D1 of "don't expect me to get anything done but allow me to live to D2" is indicative of an investigative role wanting results. It wasn't difficult for scum to figure out that Dizzy was likely a PR.

[pyxxy]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Epi has faded a bit for me today but also it's a red check day so he's still townlean for me
SVS I liked
Roxy I did not, tbh. All the interacting with leetic could be w/w in my eyes. Roxy I like you it's not personal I'm just suspicious because I know often you have little time for games and thus focus on solid read, solid vote, but having time to chop it up with leetic.....just felt weird to me, like you wanted to get some cred and look active by arguing with them. Would also slot into my "your scummates were offline" rough theory.

Thunal's been good. Good thoughts. I keep wanting to respond to them but then have nothing to add. Need an upvote button.
Had and have my eye on Wilgy.
I'm terrible at reading Nook so, sure, I could poe him.
Haven't re-read LC yet like I promised to. I did see that someone thought LC's reaction to leetic being outed was weird. It didn't ping me during my catchup but I'll see that in the ISO later, obviously.

Those are my thoughts

*goes to hit Submit* oh wait. what about you

Since D1 I think you've been the most willing to interact with leetic out of anyone in the thread. It didn't feel like leetic being outed changed that dynamic. That seems odd to me. Do you feel like you did change how you two were interacting after Abi showed up?

Not really? On my side I dont think I've changed anything, at least while I've been here

I dont want to wall anyone out & there's no real downside to continuing discussion with leetic anyway so I'm fine to keep things going. I had a situation in my champs semifinal where I was redchecked as town and got collectively fucking barred from the thread and tunneled to death on my final day. It was weird. Wasnt a great experience. So I'd like to not repeat that, because even if leetic is mafia, it's worth continuing to talk \o/

yep

I only wanted to write the one big post but I'm not here to make anyone miserable

except the team playing against my football team today. they can suffer >:)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

You should be super concerned lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Especially since I’m weighing the idea of town Dizzy copping you (high) vs wolves messing with Dizzy (lowish) and it seems town didn’t mess with him.

[leetic]

Especially since I’m weighing the idea of town Dizzy copping you (high) vs wolves messing with Dizzy (lowish) and it seems town didn’t mess with him.

As I said earlier, Dizzy's PR soft was obvious lol

Also, it was Abigail that supposedly copped me, not Dizzy (who subbed out by that point)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Especially since I’m weighing the idea of town Dizzy copping you (high) vs wolves messing with Dizzy (lowish) and it seems town didn’t mess with him.

As I said earlier, Dizzy's PR soft was obvious lol

Also, it was Abigail that supposedly copped me, not Dizzy (who subbed out by that point)

Mechanics are much less obvious when you don’t read every post but I get what you’re saying.

[DrWilgy]

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

[Delta]

Trying to make sense of the red check from a faked point of view. I guess bus driver would make sense in that context? Especially with the PRs seeming very standard I can see bus driver being a wolf role to counter them?? I dont get mech, this isnt my style.

I think Jack's reads working within my triangle analogy is probably a good sign? Pyxxy's do as well so it's not. Too farfetched of an idea at least? Which feels good in my head at least \o/

I dunno. Trying to navigate this is odd because it's kinda just mech vs head which is x_x weird

[leetic]

@Delta Now that we have a potential alternative to my wagon, care to join me on the Jack wagon?

[leetic]

Like seriously it was the easiest choice of my mafia career

What do you do when you sub in to a cop slot in the night with no info?

Cop the extremely loud voice

Oh look red lol

Will anyone listen to me over the 300 poster who's gonna bury my claim though?

I've seen you do this before, with Jay in the Hungry game. I believe you; if you were bad and you wanted him dead so much that you would make a loud fakeclaim to achieve it, you would have just killed him last night, especially after the doc died. And this is exactly what I would have done as cop, too.

Plus in retrospect, Dizzy was playing a cagey game. Involved, keeping up, but not drawing much attention to himself, or making any hard suspicions that could get him NK before he copped someone.

I still will reread the thread this afternoon in order, but I'll trust Abigail here, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

UwU

Can you ask the host what would happen if you get roleblocked? Is it possible that you could mistake that for a red check?

[leetic]

Hard to believe there are still more than 24 hours left in the phase, it's felt like it's already over for a while now

[Roxy]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

[leetic]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

Why aren't you voting me?

[Roxy]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

Why aren't you voting me?

I discussed my voting yesterday (who, what,when,where,why, how) read back

[leetic]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

Why aren't you voting me?

I discussed my voting yesterday (who, what,when,where,why, how) read back

But you have no reason to not vote me right now. Why stay so stubbornly stuck to those methods?

[Roxy]

@pyxxy I do not mind the sus but I'm only reacting to leetics style and words they choose to use.

[leetic]

@Delta Now that we have a potential alternative to my wagon, care to join me on the Jack wagon?

If you're not gonna vote for Jack, at least vote for someone. Voting patterns are always useful in hindsight

[Roxy]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

Why aren't you voting me?

I discussed my voting yesterday (who, what,when,where,why, how) read back

But you have no reason to not vote me right now. Why stay so stubbornly stuck to those methods?

Words. How you use them. Makes it hard to respond. Bc idwt.

[leetic]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

Why aren't you voting me?

I discussed my voting yesterday (who, what,when,where,why, how) read back

But you have no reason to not vote me right now. Why stay so stubbornly stuck to those methods?

Words. How you use them. Makes it hard to respond. Bc idwt.

And how do you mean?

[leetic]

There are no w/w interactions involving me. Because I'm town

[leetic]

I have almost a third of the posts in the game. Again, if town collectively falls asleep at the wheel after my death, I will be really pissed. Well, even more than I am now

[S~V~S]

I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1

I don't think it's necessarily softballing to look out for. If leetic has one or more slanking partners I could see him trying to get them in the game by asking them a lot of questions.

And that’s pretty much what happened. He engaged with both of them fairly extensively for their post counts

But he never tried to get anyone else to discuss them, via GTH calls.

This is putting the cart before the horse on my part; Leetic hasn’t flipped. It’s just an interesting observation at this point.

After that post I reread Epi and still feel I would find him civvie, barring the way leetic dealt with him. Nook always reads as his good natured self; he’s a hard read for me.

[leetic]

I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1

I don't think it's necessarily softballing to look out for. If leetic has one or more slanking partners I could see him trying to get them in the game by asking them a lot of questions.

And that’s pretty much what happened. He engaged with both of them fairly extensively for their post counts

But he never tried to get anyone else to discuss them, via GTH calls.

This is putting the cart before the horse on my part; Leetic hasn’t flipped. It’s just an interesting observation at this point.

After that post I reread Epi and still feel I would find him civvie, barring the way leetic dealt with him. Nook always reads as his good natured self; he’s a hard read for me.

Do you think anyone's votes on me look bad if (when) I flip town?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip

Oh god they said the towny words

[leetic]

Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip

Oh god they said the towny words

Feel like rescinding yet?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

Being a jerk usually doesn't help town

[leetic]

I can see a world where Abigail is the cop and checked someone else but is claiming the red check on me to see reactions. Of course, they kept it going for a long time if so, but then again they may just be in a tunnel

[leetic]

This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

Being a jerk usually doesn't help town

Mincing words doesn't help town either

[leetic]

It is unlikely I will read anything

At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't

Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it

This is their first response to a supposed "redcheck". Seems a bit weird if so

[leetic]

I can see a world where Abigail is the cop and checked someone else but is claiming the red check on me to see reactions. Of course, they kept it going for a long time if so, but then again they may just be in a tunnel

Although why would they out if they didn't get a red check? If they got a real red check that wasn't me, why not out that?

[leetic]

I'm now past the point where I have over 1/3 of the posts in this game. Are you sure that getting rid of a townie as active as I am is a good idea?

[leetic]

I'm now past the point where I have over 1/3 of the posts in this game. Are you sure that getting rid of a townie as active as I am is a good idea?

Although many of my posts right now aren't exactly useful, but then again it isn't like town is doing anything better right now

[leetic]

Anyway, I'm glad there's no hammer. This should be dragged out for as long as possible, so we can see the scum squirm as much as possible. Just wish I could see the look on y'all's faces when I flip

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also Abigail it's never too late to rescind

Well I'd have to be lying

[leetic]

Also Abigail it's never too late to rescind

Well I'd have to be lying

You either are lying or someone messed with the night result

[leetic]

There is a role called the "Insanifier", which causes night actions to do the opposite (e.g. green cop checks become red, doctor protects become kills, etc.) but I haven't seen it often outside of bastard games

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

For a game?

Jfc I 1000 posted d1 in a game on FoL...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

This set up is literally always 3 wtf lol

[leetic]

If my wagon is pure, that means that there are 3 scum (2 or 4 is unlikely in a setup of this size) in DrWilgy/Delta/Roxy/pixxy/Jack

This set up is literally always 3 wtf lol

I've seen other numbers of scum in 15 players, but those are usually role madness

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

Like right here. This, and pretty much the rest of his D1, look like complete fluff in hindsight.

This A. Implies no activity on D2 either

B. Is normal Nook

C. When Nook decides to participate in late game it will be game winning lol

Nook is town

[leetic]

Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

Like right here. This, and pretty much the rest of his D1, look like complete fluff in hindsight.

This A. Implies no activity on D2 either

B. Is normal Nook

C. When Nook decides to participate in late game it will be game winning lol

Nook is town

What about his posts exclude him from being scum?

[leetic]

Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

Like right here. This, and pretty much the rest of his D1, look like complete fluff in hindsight.

This A. Implies no activity on D2 either

B. Is normal Nook

C. When Nook decides to participate in late game it will be game winning lol

Nook is town

What about his posts exclude him from being scum?

At best, this is "playstyle not hard to replicate as scum". Plus, I've played with town!NANOOK before and he did a lot more D1

[leetic]

Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

Like right here. This, and pretty much the rest of his D1, look like complete fluff in hindsight.

This A. Implies no activity on D2 either

B. Is normal Nook

C. When Nook decides to participate in late game it will be game winning lol

Nook is town

Also, are you sure you weren't just roleblocked?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

You've been complaining about how they aren't so clearly it isn't doing what you want it to do but

Your a wolf trying to thread clog to suck the air out of the thread and suffocate the town that are quiet and can't keep up so makes sense

[leetic]

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

You've been complaining about how they aren't so clearly it isn't doing what you want it to do but

Your a wolf trying to thread clog to suck the air out of the thread and suffocate the town that are quiet and can't keep up so makes sense

If I was, I wouldn't try to bring everyone in. The only reason you have anything to work with right now is because of me. Okay, maybe I am suffocating the thread right now, but that's because town isn't doing anything useful at all right now

[leetic]

Like, I don't just like to hear myself talk, and I would like a lot of other players to put in effort right now! But I'm only one person and there is only so much I can accomplish on my own

[leetic]

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

You've been complaining about how they aren't so clearly it isn't doing what you want it to do but

Your a wolf trying to thread clog to suck the air out of the thread and suffocate the town that are quiet and can't keep up so makes sense

Also, wrong your, and yes I have earned the right to be pedantic about your posts

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

What could I possibly be doing that reminds you of Alison?