Se7en Mafia [GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN]

[MacDougall]

That's right I've snapped. I'm toxic now. Good job Kate and Tutuu. You did this. I've gone off the deep end.

[falcon45ca]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Oh, so I'm a nobody huh???





BRRRRAAAAAAAAFGGFGGHHJDJDKFLTL

[tutuu]

Oh i remember doom saying itt she thinks im chastity. Is this why kate lust went after me? Probably right. We'll see from flip

I think you're chastity too cuz you're a prude.

Ive never had a partner nor a kiss so honestly true

So you didn't date Alexa Bliss in high school? Ha what a loser.

I dont have zenon-chan's rizz ...

[Kate]

Actually no fuck that. Let's blame Mac when he miselims Porscha with 9 people sheeping but when Mac outs info that helps Seanzie lock his solve in place Seanzie did it single handedly and Mac is sus.

Far out man. Far out. Imma go on tilt lol.

Its okiii maccie pattt pattt

Just relaxxx, breatheee, and let seanzie carry us all

Seanzie is a noob who sussed me for correctly townreading him and needed my info to solve 2 of the sins who telegraphed their alignment to him. Stop hoisting him on his petard pockety pockerson.

Seriously, you're gonna call him names for doing the right thing? Wow.

[MacDougall]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Oh, so I'm a nobody huh???



BRRRRAAAAAAAAFGGFGGHHJDJDKFLTL

Last interaction I had with you was you being a hater so I dunno how I'm meant to have a different perspective

[Kate]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Take it easy. It's a game. Jfc.

[MacDougall]

Actually no fuck that. Let's blame Mac when he miselims Porscha with 9 people sheeping but when Mac outs info that helps Seanzie lock his solve in place Seanzie did it single handedly and Mac is sus.

Far out man. Far out. Imma go on tilt lol.

Its okiii maccie pattt pattt

Just relaxxx, breatheee, and let seanzie carry us all

Seanzie is a noob who sussed me for correctly townreading him and needed my info to solve 2 of the sins who telegraphed their alignment to him. Stop hoisting him on his petard pockety pockerson.

Seriously, you're gonna call him names for doing the right thing? Wow.

Seanzie is an adult he doesn't need you standing up for him. Be gone.

[MacDougall]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Take it easy. It's a game. Jfc.

Jfc I'm not serious. Don't try and put me down and then fire up at me when I try to use humour to cope with it.

[MacDougall]

Oh i remember doom saying itt she thinks im chastity. Is this why kate lust went after me? Probably right. We'll see from flip

I think you're chastity too cuz you're a prude.

Ive never had a partner nor a kiss so honestly true

So you didn't date Alexa Bliss in high school? Ha what a loser.

I dont have zenon-chan's rizz ...

Few do.

[Kate]

Actually no fuck that. Let's blame Mac when he miselims Porscha with 9 people sheeping but when Mac outs info that helps Seanzie lock his solve in place Seanzie did it single handedly and Mac is sus.

Far out man. Far out. Imma go on tilt lol.

Its okiii maccie pattt pattt

Just relaxxx, breatheee, and let seanzie carry us all

Seanzie is a noob who sussed me for correctly townreading him and needed my info to solve 2 of the sins who telegraphed their alignment to him. Stop hoisting him on his petard pockety pockerson.

Seriously, you're gonna call him names for doing the right thing? Wow.

Seanzie is an adult he doesn't need you standing up for him. Be gone.

Hes not here, so I will do what I want. And I don't take orders from you.

[MacDougall]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Aaaa sorryyy just wanted to play a little prank

Yeah I love how in this game everyone who is trolling me is just pranking or poking or joking but when I do it I'm crucified lol.

[MacDougall]

Actually no fuck that. Let's blame Mac when he miselims Porscha with 9 people sheeping but when Mac outs info that helps Seanzie lock his solve in place Seanzie did it single handedly and Mac is sus.

Far out man. Far out. Imma go on tilt lol.

Its okiii maccie pattt pattt

Just relaxxx, breatheee, and let seanzie carry us all

Seanzie is a noob who sussed me for correctly townreading him and needed my info to solve 2 of the sins who telegraphed their alignment to him. Stop hoisting him on his petard pockety pockerson.

Seriously, you're gonna call him names for doing the right thing? Wow.

Seanzie is an adult he doesn't need you standing up for him. Be gone.

Hes not here, so I will do what I want. And I don't take orders from you.

Way to escalate nothing into a big thing.

[MacDougall]

Oh no I jokingly called Seanzie a noob get the pepper spray out toxic Mac is talking down to the womens.

[Kate]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Take it easy. It's a game. Jfc.

Jfc I'm not serious. Don't try and put me down and then fire up at me when I try to use humour to cope with it.

Dude, do you seriously think I'm thinking that hard about you? Hmmm. How can I break Mac down, then put salt in the wounds?? *mustache twirl* please. Not that important to me.

I'm the dead one, why am I having more fun than you?

[Kate]

Oh no I jokingly called Seanzie a noob get the pepper spray out toxic Mac is talking down to the womens.

You're a gem.

[tutuu]

Mac has a stone face / dry / british humor (is this the right name?) Dw maccie i can always tell when ur playing

[MacDougall]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Take it easy. It's a game. Jfc.

Jfc I'm not serious. Don't try and put me down and then fire up at me when I try to use humour to cope with it.

Dude, do you seriously think I'm thinking that hard about you? Hmmm. How can I break Mac down, then put salt in the wounds?? *mustache twirl* please. Not that important to me.

I'm the dead one, why am I having more fun than you?

You're right Kate. I'm sorry.

[MacDougall]

Oh no I jokingly called Seanzie a noob get the pepper spray out toxic Mac is talking down to the womens.

You're a gem.

Sorry.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That's OK we can tunnel my scum reads and see if tutuu gets nked in the mean time!

if mac flips scum im never getting nked coz i defended him. i might get chopped. rip me

if he flips town there's still hope i eat it

also i might just be poisoned i dunno (some dude sent me a pic of my avatar and told me im gonna die last night as i claimed at my sod post for those who didnt read / forgot and were gonna ask me why so i preemmptively answered ur question ur welcome)

There's still time for you to flip your read and pick up a nk tbh

Hit me daddy uwu

[Thunal33]

This is what happened.

I woke up at fuck oclock and saw a ping to sub my action. 3am taking a piss Mac subbed Kate and went back to sleep.

I wanted to track someone who otherwise doesn't self resolve and had the potential to be a deep wolf. That's all. Thank me by sussing me tho that'll help lol.

Don't get me wrong, you're playing fine but seanzie single handedly got me.

Kate is addressing Mac as if he’s town and my gut says she’s really admitting defeat to him since she treated Seanzie the same way. Kate believes Mac is town.

From the info Seanzie outed I’d guess Kate wasn’t informed since she has a choice to be solo, so I don’t think her being outed necessarily says anything about the alignment of her pushes.

Thunal is playing like John Doe and is my prime suspect for John Doe.

Me being John Doe makes no sense. I’m never afraid of Doom’s “suspicion” on literally 6 people for being on the later 10 person Porscha wagon. If you think I’m bad then read my ISO because I really think you can find me as town.

Tutu, Mac, Rondo, Jack, Roxy, Thunal

these voters arent sketch at all

Thunal is playing clean and I won't be able to prosecute her beyond feels bad but I just want her solved by mech or something.

Honestly, I'm fine with this. I'd rather be confirmed town and hopefully turn around my solve and catch baddies than have people be paranoid of me.

[falcon45ca]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Oh, so I'm a nobody huh???



BRRRRAAAAAAAAFGGFGGHHJDJDKFLTL

Last interaction I had with you was you being a hater so I dunno how I'm meant to have a different perspective

Haha, was that before or after you asked the three of Neon, you and I to give the thread breathing space...before you proceeded to not give the thread any breathing space?



S'all good, yer in my town pile.



But nuff' of the woe is me, eh bucko? You are loved, even if you're not a Kiwi

[falcon45ca]

Kate, since yer busted, why not try and do some good for the Town and help solve?

[MacDougall]

The worst thing about mafia players is that most of you have the emotional intelligence of a pebble and act like you're super empaths who function on raw crystal energy with unflappable self control but become toxic hypocrites the minute the mirror gets held up to you. At least I know I'm an emotionally volatile piece of shit and try to compensate for it.

[falcon45ca]

The worst thing about mafia players is that most of you have the emotional intelligence of a pebble and act like you're super empaths who function on raw crystal energy with unflappable self control but become toxic hypocrites the minute the mirror gets held up to you. At least I know I'm an emotionally volatile piece of shit and try to compensate for it.

I prefer to run on weed, whiskey and wine.





Raw crystals aren't as delicious as fried ones anyhow

[Thunal33]

Kate, since yer busted, why not try and do some good for the Town and help solve?

You wouldn't know if it's her real solving or not lol. It would be fun to try and figure out if it's real or BS, so why not.

[falcon45ca]

Kate, since yer busted, why not try and do some good for the Town and help solve?

You wouldn't know if it's her real solving or not lol. It would be fun to try and figure out if it's real or BS, so why not.

That's the goal, let's get Kate anti spewing and then make fun of Lost after she flips

[MacDougall]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Oh, so I'm a nobody huh???



BRRRRAAAAAAAAFGGFGGHHJDJDKFLTL

Last interaction I had with you was you being a hater so I dunno how I'm meant to have a different perspective

Haha, was that before or after you asked the three of Neon, you and I to give the thread breathing space...before you proceeded to not give the thread any breathing space?



S'all good, yer in my town pile.



But nuff' of the woe is me, eh bucko? You are loved, even if you're not a Kiwi

After I asked for that I literally left the thread to take my child to hospital.

I grow weary of being told I did things I did not do.

[MacDougall]

It's so much easier to be the angry obnoxious prick I'm accused of in every game than actively try not to be and get told I am non stop anyway.

[Seanzie]

Actually no fuck that. Let's blame Mac when he miselims Porscha with 9 people sheeping but when Mac outs info that helps Seanzie lock his solve in place Seanzie did it single handedly and Mac is sus.

Far out man. Far out. Imma go on tilt lol.

Its okiii maccie pattt pattt

Just relaxxx, breatheee, and let seanzie carry us all

Seanzie is a noob who sussed me for correctly townreading him and needed my info to solve 2 of the sins who telegraphed their alignment to him. Stop hoisting him on his petard pockety pockerson.

This is true.

[falcon45ca]

I would like to retire Mac, Falcon and Zenon from the game for the next 30 minutes and let others talk. We are making the thread boring and lame.

Hey rest of game there's 90 minutes until EOD and when I say I want to retire the three loud annoying voices for 30 minutes the idea is so it can give the rest of you space to fill it, so please do.

I would like to retire Mac, Falcon and Zenon from the game for the next 30 minutes and let others talk. We are making the thread boring and lame.

I don't really believe in not making my voice heard

For 30 minutes, so others can read some posts without us making aggro sounding frustration posts. Then you can go back to shouting at me and making votes you're not confident about while pre-emptively blaming me for perceived miselims.

Matahari looks like an obvious mafia to me. 5 post ISO that's easy to read. Looks pretty obviously not town.

Wolfy entrance post making wolfy guilty excuses for not posting much.
Solving through a forced dichotomy of Tutuu/Michelle/Doom based on nothing except they're wagons ie. opportunism.
No attempt to town. Naked vote on Tutuu.

Chance of being town. Low.
In a role madness game day 1 chop we could do worse than to just chop Matahari.

kate yes
mac yes
doom yes
dubz yes
thunal yes (yes I just called thunal mafia but i amnt serious)
epi fair
porscha nope she not town
jack yeah he probs town
pyxxy i see why you think this but also no
michelle yeah she probs town
dennis lol i like how you're always paranoid of dennis is cute he's town tho
zenon you're tunneling, which is fair cuz zenon is town/mafia
roxy fair
wilgy fair
sean fair
nook no hes town
mata fair
rondo fair
svs fair
falcon fair

sorry guys my heart wasn't into it i was FORCED TO PLAY BY KATE AT GUNPOINT SHE USED EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION TO MAKE ME PLAY and IM SUPER BUSY I HAVE EXAM AND WORK so thats why I JUST SHITPOSTED HERE TO VENT OUT STRESS AND RELAX so sorry OH NYUUU

i self pres later

Tutuu has the best reads in the game and y'all want to punish it. You're horrible people and deserve to tenants for the rest of your lives.

Ok ill try to have an open mind, why is proscha bad? (Although we all know I'm relatively headstrong and unlikely to change my vote) but I really want to understand porscha.

To me the difference between Porscha's wolf and town play is generally pretty obvious.

As town Porscha has a fire. They ask a lot of probing questions and demonstrate town solving mindset and entitlement more than just about anyone.

They used to be polarised in terms of postcount as well but recently broke that in two games, but in those games the only element of their meta they broke was the postcount, their ability to match their town meta as mafia is simply still not there. They don't have fire, they don't attempt to solve. They just meander through the game with 1 or 2 sentences surviving largely off of the easy townreads they get from people who think they are post count polarised.

The biggest indicator is that Porscha reacted so limply to me pushing her. Porscha holds me accountable to having accurate reads and when I push her wrongly she turns into a Tsundere. She doesn't care in this game that I am pushing her and her most recent post was a very limp response and since then hasn't posted at all.

Two Porscha games from within the last 2 months that a lot of the people in this game played in.

Porscha town game - https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39658 - Lived til nearly endgame and racked up > 300 posts in a heavy postcap game.
Porscha wolf game - https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39519 - Lived til nearly endgame and barely got over 100 posts in a heavy postcap game.

Here are some highlights of how Porscha as town posts that I feel are completely missing from this game.

wtf how?

you think you're a funny guy eh

why yes ma'am

[V]Macdougall[/V]

i'm laughing so hard rn i'm slapping my knees repeatedly

FTR mac is NOT in my towncore rn and I have to ask IC to not copy paste zenon readlists as her own despite masoning

@Porscha explain why you are voting me.

Reason for voting: meh felt fine when I did it

On subject of me not towncoring you: why do you want to be towncore so bad

Also I think you're full of it if you believe that lily n I as wolf partners obviously pick to try and ML you day 1

I want to make the argument that if I'm wolfing id just pocket you but I understand this is something you're going to be more keenly aware of due to last game with me and therefore youre less likely to fall victim to it

Which I guess could give me more reason to go the opposite direction and try to sr you instead

But I dont really sr you

I just dont strongly feel like you're town atm

I am pinged by zenon/ic situation

And I agree violet read on happy not great

These are just three of hundreds I could lift. I would summarise Porscha's town play as.

1. Effort filled.
2. Generally insightful and >rand accurate in terms of pushes.
3. Hilarious and scathing.

Porscha as town has generally >rand reads. Knows it. Takes a position of authority in a game. Keeps people accountable that she has a basis of and cares about what those players are doing in a mafia game.

I do not see town Porscha in this game. At all. The defense is that she can be town here, sure. She can be town here. But let's also draw the parallels between this and her wolf game.

Here are some typical Porscha wolf game posts.

max 1 wolf in relm/rem

zeus sussy

violet town

leaning rem town

notably I townread pyx for some reason?

thats all.

Literally all pyxxy said was yeet yaw when you made this post lmfao how are you tr'ing that

Porscha.. that was post #30 lol

In backreading I see you called it a tone snap read which is like, allowed lmao, just feels like you made a read for the sake of it instead of letting it stew to make a better one later

Forcing reads is important to start games like this. I do this every mafia league game

Lol okay. I guess you were like that in our last game too

incredible urge to tr you for this, gotdamn

She played in a ML game before

Admittedly without flips

But i know shes been reading along to other games as she chatted during last roind

So yh

Nahh

Spoiler: show

i dont sr her for it tho

alright DZ let's run it

you me Porscha all town

who do we chop

aw do you actually tr me uwu

Porscha's wolf game has nowhere near the same tone. There is no believability. You can see that she doesn't actually believe what she's saying because as soon as she gets pressured to back up her arguments she backtracks hard the other direction. She doesn't play confidently as mafia. She doesn't get into long drawn out back and forths and looks for the exit. Her posts are all generally 1-2 lines cuz of how much she hates wolfing. Her entirely agenda as a wolf is to get her postcount up to avoid getting policied and otherwise try to stay out of harms way.

The third post in the three I picked from her town game, is not a post you will find in any Porscha wolf game. Find me a single post from this game or the other game that remotely looks like it.

The best I can say in defense of Porscha and to Zenon's point, is that town Porscha does sometimes take a while to show herself. I have found myself scumreading town Porscha for similar games before but then suddenly Porscha just shows up and it's like okay there she is my bad and I close the book.

That it hasn't happened and we are 1 hour prior to eod1 makes it highly unlikely to happen. Zenon is right that town Porscha can have these games sometimes, but there is too much in common with her common wolf game and nothing like her common town game as it stands, and to say that "yeah she looks like wolf Porscha and not like town Porscha but she can still be town Porscha" is a far too generous argument.

Yeah, I have no idea where I got the idea that you kept on going and going after asking us to leave the thread some space for a half hour...




Love ya bud

[falcon45ca]

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me. You can be cranky Mac, s'OK dude.





@Dennis Got some thoughts on your mom being evil n such?

[MacDougall]

Falcon Dennis is outed also.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon Dennis is outed also.

I guess evil really is genetic

[falcon45ca]

I'm prolly gonna crash hard soon...I don't really know when, but I'm a wee bit past 48 hours, so it'll happen when I least zzzzzzzzzzzz

[falcon45ca]

What's Mata done as of late?



Imma ISO

[MacDougall]

What's Mata done as of late?



Imma ISO

be a wolf

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

@falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

The solve to word ratio here is very, very low

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: mata] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

[tutuu]

I wonder if i should try to solve now or wait until kate and dennis get chopped. I need to conserve post count actually due to my curse i might die. Yeah ill just stop posting for today dont wanna randomly die. Chop is determined so

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Awwwh so cuteeee we're just teasing u coz we love youuuuuuu

Fuck your toxic love.

Take it easy. It's a game. Jfc.

[pyxxy]

Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl

Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy

wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

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so you're saying I was right

[pyxxy]

oh dang and doom was a virtue too

consider me too right to be a wrong

[pyxxy]

I don't really have any cred on reading dennis so shrug on that

so like, what do we do now

is it really yeet Kate today yeet Dennis tomorrow?

what should I be doing in the meantime

[Seanzie]

I don't really have any cred on reading dennis so shrug on that

so like, what do we do now

is it really yeet Kate today yeet Dennis tomorrow?

what should I be doing in the meantime

Look for who is demoralized. Continue solving outside the two outed. Make it that much harder for scum to come back.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pff wait for more mechanical info you mean

[pyxxy]

Oh BTW assuming DubZ likes gifts you should speak to her she's got trips voting power.

Toodles

lmao I only noticed this post while rereading Seanzie

I tracked Kate to Dennis n1. I'm an odd night tracker.

Okay, I thought so.

I am 100% sure Kate is Lust and 95% sure Dennis is Greed. The Kate thing is mech, the dennis thing is based off something Kate told me in a btsc I have with her. In particular, Kate told me she targeted Greed and got BTSC with them, but didn't tell me who greed was, but I had suspicion it was Dennis.

@Seanzie without giving anything away, do you think there's a correct yeet order for Kate/Dennis? I assume you think it's Kate then Dennis but I think Dennis flopped like a fish after you posted this, not before

Things I learned from Kate that could be useful (take everything with a grain of salt since Kate was suspicious of my motives, but I do think there were times where she was trusting me enough that most of this is likely true).

1.) She can win as sole survivor or with mafia.
2.) SVS is 90% town (I think Kate said this in earnest)
3.) She said her and Greed exchanged roles. idk what to make of this.
4.) She has an ability but I think it is perhaps best for me not to share the details on it.

late bit of info for any that wants a mech summary quote post, I think this is everything so far?

[pyxxy]

Pff wait for more mechanical info you mean

[Seanzie]

This is the exact time that people in the PoE should try to town it up, and should try to hunt. It might feel like we've just got to wait for flips, but instead think of this like a long day 4. Who is excited about this development? Who is trying to fake it? Who is John Doe?

[Seanzie]

Oh BTW assuming DubZ likes gifts you should speak to her she's got trips voting power.

Toodles

lmao I only noticed this post while rereading Seanzie

I tracked Kate to Dennis n1. I'm an odd night tracker.

Okay, I thought so.

I am 100% sure Kate is Lust and 95% sure Dennis is Greed. The Kate thing is mech, the dennis thing is based off something Kate told me in a btsc I have with her. In particular, Kate told me she targeted Greed and got BTSC with them, but didn't tell me who greed was, but I had suspicion it was Dennis.

@Seanzie without giving anything away, do you think there's a correct yeet order for Kate/Dennis? I assume you think it's Kate then Dennis but I think Dennis flopped like a fish after you posted this, not before

Things I learned from Kate that could be useful (take everything with a grain of salt since Kate was suspicious of my motives, but I do think there were times where she was trusting me enough that most of this is likely true).

1.) She can win as sole survivor or with mafia.
2.) SVS is 90% town (I think Kate said this in earnest)
3.) She said her and Greed exchanged roles. idk what to make of this.
4.) She has an ability but I think it is perhaps best for me not to share the details on it.

late bit of info for any that wants a mech summary quote post, I think this is everything so far?

The fact that Kate said her and Dennis switched roles makes me think the order is a crap shoot. The part of Kate's role that I know requires people to trust Kate, so as long as everyone is aware of Kate and Dennis being sins, they should be powerless (except to possibly communicate with other sins) I'm not sure of Dennis's role, but if they possibly switched it's all topsy-turvy.