Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:50 pm
Actually I think this continues to be an example of Sloonei being super scummy in this.
Claiming that I’m Blinding attacking ANYONE who doesn’t agree with my Falcon read is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and reality.
Let me rephrase: You are responding to commentary around your Falcon read more defensively than is necessary. I do not believe there has been resistance to your push. I feel more like you have resisted people who talk to you about it (i.e. myself and santy.)
That’s probably fair.
I did perceive the initial response you had to my Falcon push the way I did. You say it wasn’t your intention, but I think you’re willing to agree my interpretation wasn’t an outlandish one.
I’ve seen your ISO. I’m interested in seeing Falcons response. I think there’s some good merits to your points
In conclusion, Carthage Falcon45ca must be destroyed.
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:18 pm
Now i am even more confused by your reaction to zenges push on falcons
Why? My commentary in that ISO mirrors what I said at the time. Everything else is new analysis of Falcon's posts that did not exist while I was talking to Zenge yesterday.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm
@Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?
Mafia
Do you think he could be paired with marmot and/or Creature?
Yes. Specifically, I felt like his few interactions with the Marmot suspicion yesterday looked like a wolf who was pretending to entertain a case against a teammate.
But I do not like to make pre-flip associative reads. Saying "Falcon is suspicious because of how he treated Marmot" prior to flipping Marmot is a dangerous game.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm
@Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?
Mafia
Hmm
Do you therefore think Zenges tunnel on Falcons is justified after all?
Because it’s looking like you’re disagreeing with Zenges tunnel on Falcons early posts but found Falcons’s later behavior to be problematic independent of the Zenges tunnel, and i’m trying to see if i understood correctly
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:24 pm
But I do not like to make pre-flip associative reads. Saying "Falcon is suspicious because of how he treated Marmot" prior to flipping Marmot is a dangerous game.
Sure. But I find the three to be extremely compatible so I'm very comfy with the wagons being as they are.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:16 pm
@Sloonei Gth, what is your read on falcon?
Mafia
Hmm
Do you therefore think Zenges tunnel on Falcons is justified after all?
Because it’s looking like you’re disagreeing with Zenges tunnel on Falcons early posts but found Falcons’s later behavior to be problematic independent of the Zenges tunnel, and i’m trying to see if i understood correctly
I never thought Zenge should stop pushing Falcon. All I ever tried to say on Day 1 was that the things Zenge objected to are not out of the ordinary for Falcon. This does not mean those things need to mean that Falcon is town. Just that I would not suspect him on the basis of those things.
After looking at Falcon's posts in more depth, I think there are reasons to be concerned about him. This still does not mean I have him as lock mafia. But I have questions and would like answers.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:29 pm
I think if any of the three are town it's probably Marmot, and they're in the unfortunate position of getting lumped in with the wrong crowd.
What makes Creatures look worse than marmots? Because neither of their posts look good to me
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:29 pm
I think if any of the three are town it's probably Marmot, and they're in the unfortunate position of getting lumped in with the wrong crowd.
I think I feel the opposite. Marmot might be my strongest suspect independent of all others. But I have not looked too deeply into Creature, and I admittedly have only looked at a handful of Marmot posts in formulating my suspicion.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:29 pm
I think if any of the three are town it's probably Marmot, and they're in the unfortunate position of getting lumped in with the wrong crowd.
What makes Creatures look worse than marmots? Because neither of their posts look good to me
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:35 pm
Anyhow as it stands I am perfectly fine with Marmot, falcon, or Creature going over today. I think they're all good choices.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:35 pm
Anyhow as it stands I am perfectly fine with Marmot, falcon, or Creature going over today. I think they're all good choices.
Has your read on mayos changed?
I'm begrudgingly setting that aside for now. Better to concentrate on these three for the time being.
I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.
tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.
I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?
Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.
Why not
She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it
I see
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.
I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?
Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.
Why not
She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it
I see
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
Otherwise this point is well received.
Uhh my first answer was Barks, who is not playing. Lol. I'm sure the answer is yes but I can't immediately think of anyone.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm
Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon
The pyxxy kill would be funny as a 3p kill, since he was 3p hunting yesterday.
He has been subtly enlarging it each game.
I've just now noticed how comparatively large your avatar's hand is. Looks like you're going to crush that martini glass.
Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.
Why not
She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it
I see
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
Otherwise this point is well received.
Uhh my first answer was Barks, who is not playing. Lol. I'm sure the answer is yes but I can't immediately think of anyone.
She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it
I see
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
Otherwise this point is well received.
Uhh my first answer was Barks, who is not playing. Lol. I'm sure the answer is yes but I can't immediately think of anyone.
She dies early very often and I'm morally opposed to it
I see
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
Otherwise this point is well received.
Uhh my first answer was Barks, who is not playing. Lol. I'm sure the answer is yes but I can't immediately think of anyone.
AM misread barky before
Okay? Is that relevant to the current gamestate?
It’s just a counter to your earlier statement of using barky as an example as someone whom AM could read correctly. Santy is probably a better answer tbh
I assume it's to the point you would like veto a kill, them?
There is zero doubt in my mind that he would be absolutely enraged about it, as would I. I'm not sure who else of the SDNers would fit that (save the ones who are modding). I'll have to review the list.
It's a bit foggy given we know there are more than mafia and town and we don't know if there are 3p killing factions but assuming mafia killed AM, Zenge isn't mafia. This push on Falcon, whether Falcon is town or not, is absolutely vomiting town for Zenge anyhow.
Other than santy is there anyone she has been consistently good at reading recently?
She makes a lot of sense as the NK from a pure POE perspective. As would mother.
Otherwise this point is well received.
Uhh my first answer was Barks, who is not playing. Lol. I'm sure the answer is yes but I can't immediately think of anyone.
AM misread barky before
Okay? Is that relevant to the current gamestate?
It’s just a counter to your earlier statement of using barky as an example as someone whom AM could read correctly. Santy is probably a better answer tbh
Alright. I mean I would say AM generally has pretty good reads. I just can't think of anyone she's known to read really well aside from Santy and you, but she didn't play with you this game.
Santy's poking at the Zenge tunnel is the sort of thing I wasn't seeing from Dennis when I said he's not doing much with his townreads, FTR. If he believes that Zenge/falcon is T/T, then it should be A Bad Thing when Zenge starts the day by saying we should just chop falcon and kill Zenge if he was wrong.
Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot
On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would
I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am
I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town
I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.
I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday
You seem to have no read on Falcon at all yet voted them despite identifying that Zenge was tunneling because voting Falcon is the only way you know how to get Zenge out of tunnel?
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm
I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.
I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.
What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?
Sloonei's 2544 on the prior page is a good summary of the Zenge/falcon stuff.
Before I feel guilty for making anyone read that entire thing, most of the content of my massive Falcon ISO can be skimmed or ignored. I encourage people to read any parts of it that they find pertinent. But most of the content is there for my own sake, and I don't intend for it to be read in its entirety.
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:03 am
I think that
Marmot/Creature / one in Mighty-SAR-PSV
Is my worldview rn. Maybe add Dennis there or not. Problem for the future me
You said that my townread on Nate shouldn't apply cuz be can make that post as a wolf. But you haven't listed Nate here despite sussing him earlier in the day.
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:21 am
Like, Sar voting with you not because they read Falcon a particular way, just that you will get 'untunneled' its just such a lazy and bad reason to vote someone. Its bogus.
You shouldn't be causing that sort of excuses in wolves or mindset in town. Its super unproductive
That being said, what has Falcon done that you think deserves a village read on Falcon?
Nothing Flacon has done since has made me question if they were village. The PSV push they made for example was dark. Wolfy to the bone. Evil Tuna=Rotten to the Albacore
All syndicaters and people who know him.more than you are saying that they are town.
Only people voting him is people that doesnt know them as much. That is enough for me to think that wagon is probably a miss
I don’t think that’s fair. I think there’s been a lot of chatter from Syndicate players who said that Falcon was definitely off. They were just shy about committing to a vote there.
I want to emphasize that these Syndicate player reads of “Yeah Falcon is really off, this isn’t Village Falcon at all” came during the back and forth he was having with me.
Now that’s settled a bit, but obviously in the face of that pressure any wolf would adjust their play. But the reads from Syndicate players when things were going down, were largely “Falcon is being weird, I don’t think this is Village!Falcon, I just don’t want to vote there”.
This is why I am not following you.
You are doing a lot of stretching here to dismiss the people confidently reading falcon as town
If you’re talking about Sloonei I think that’s paired, and I’m not the only one. Lawpy sees what I was seeing with Sloonei defending Falcon.
And people who have “defended Falcon” otherwise didn’t provide strong village reads IN THE MOMENT.
The majority of reads from Syndicate people in the moment were that Falcon was absolutely 100% scum, they just didn’t want to vote there.
Sloonei, Macdougall (V confident town of mine) , tuutuu.
I think SVS also but not quite sure.
That for sure is enough to me.
Time.To.Reassess.
Get out of your W!Falcon world, you have been staring at them for far too long and its making you blind to the rest of the game
I’ve been reassessing with every single post Falcon makes. I’m not wrong Santy. There’s no reason to give Falcon a villager read.
Some people can be wrong about how they’re reading Falcon. That’s fine. It’s normal and to be expected. But not a single one of the people you mentioned actually made a strong village case for Falcon.
They simply dismissed my case and gave a village read. None of them actually ISOd Falcon, pulled quotes and laid out a strong case for why Falcon is lock town.
Because they can’t.
I asked you to quote the posts that show Falcon doing what you described because if accurate I would agree.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm
Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.
Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?
We have post restrictions. Typically they don't completely obfuscate what the poster is trying to say. For instance, I had one where I had to post only in blue text. I gave AM one where she had to post like Lawpy. Mayo gave me one where I had to post like a Civil War soldier writing home. You can still sorta get your point across. But with this I haven't the slightest clue what mighty is trying to say.
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:57 pm
Also I'm not even going to try to decipher mighty's posts today. I have no idea what he's saying.
Are posting curses a thing on SDN, or is this something totally new to y'all?
We have post restrictions. Typically they don't completely obfuscate what the poster is trying to say. For instance, I had one where I had to post only in blue text. I gave AM one where she had to post like Lawpy. Mayo gave me one where I had to post like a Civil War soldier writing home. You can still sorta get your point across. But with this I haven't the slightest clue what mighty is trying to say.
I've been able to discern some meaning or apparent attention from their posts. But it seems the Syndicate has more familiarity with heavier restrictions on these sorts of things. We've had post curses/restrictions that force people to post exclusively in images and stuff like that.
We have had ones limiting players to images, gifs, song lyrics, haiku, etc. Oftentimes it is up to the restrictors to pick the flavor, so it really comes down to how difficult they want to be.
Maybe heavier restrictions have fallen out of favor for funnier ones since PSV started playing?
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm
I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.
I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.
What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?
Sloonei's 2544 on the prior page is a good summary of the Zenge/falcon stuff.
Before I feel guilty for making anyone read that entire thing, most of the content of my massive Falcon ISO can be skimmed or ignored. I encourage people to read any parts of it that they find pertinent. But most of the content is there for my own sake, and I don't intend for it to be read in its entirety.
I think it's a good post for getting a quick sense of Falcon's content separately from the tunneled view of it, so I'm interested to hear what Mayo makes of it.
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:40 amseanzie
mac
lawpy
zenge
neon
dennis
falcon
santy - note: could easily be 3p laying low to not get nked; he's townsiding hard so not mafia
SARhandler - (riding on psv mafia. if psv not mafia, im dropping the townread)
sloonei
nate - purely sheeping
miranda - extremely miniscule gut townread, its very weak
svs - null line
genny
migthyrunner
mayo - either wolf or exactly town vig
creature
marmot - purely sheeping
psv
@MacDougall @Sloonei pinging you two as you're the town titans and im expressing interest in working with u
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm
Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?
if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content
@Marmot , how would this make you think that?
Marmot said
I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.
Are dyachei and Creature related that this remark would make you back off? I'm asking in seriousness, not being facetious.
I didn't want to pry into personal lives, so I chose to accept it. I just assumed that dya knew something outside of the thread (not necessarily in scumchat, just from somewhere else) that made them say that.
That said, it is Day 2, and Creature hasn't done much that the leash he was given (at least by me, I dunno how many others voted the same way).
So because of what dya said, which is a reason not to apply a meta read not a reason to townread, you voted out Scotty, a strong player who wasn't all that wolfy?
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:50 pm
Town lean:
Zenge
SAR
Santy
mighty
Nate
????
Lawpy
Less of a town lean:
Miranda
Mayo
Genny
Explain gently why you’re townreading mighty and nates pls
I've explained mighty already and I don't feel like doing so again.
Nate just feels like himself. He's less go with the flow and is offering more fresh perspectives than I expect from wolf!Nate.
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm
Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy
[VOTE:
unvote] aubergine
Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?
I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?
I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?
I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.
Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda
Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?
Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:39 am
i lied (for the last time i swear i need to do work)
colors ar epretty
seanzie
mac
neon
svs
dennis
lawpy
zenge
SAR (riding on PSV mafia)
sloonei
miranda
PSV
i originally colored PSV orange but then i thought naw fam fuck that PUSSY ASS SHIT u are getting the RED COLOR thats right boyyyy im seeing red im like a bull and ur like that matador u trynna finesse me but boiii u dont know who u dealing with RAF RAF RAF RAFA R FRAFARA BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLHORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN
Awww ouch
Yeah it’s not a read I was in favor of
Why did you wait til PSV came back to say as much?
