notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[Jaiden Underwood]

..oh im town btw
that seems important

[pyxxy]

thank you, i still worry lol

vote pyxxy imo

oh i didnt see this post sorry
why? ive seen like 0 pyxxy so im willing to be influenced

how

I'm like, so important

[pyxxy]

thank you, i still worry lol

vote pyxxy imo

oh i didnt see this post sorry
why? ive seen like 0 pyxxy so im willing to be influenced

i believe he’s scummy, i don’t have any posts to suggest as such because i’m going off old lucy reads. one thing i do know is that cape is towny and he’s matching the towny cape i’ve seen from past games

he’s thought deeply about the game in a complex way and he is just normally weird like that (best way to put it sorry cape)

hmmm

[VOTE: Sheep] aubergine

[pyxxy]

D4 VC - 5 hours to go:

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[Syn]

fuck i put myself below syn and didn't put you in lmao

based

[Syn]

this wagon composition always catches a wolf

[Syn]

@falcon45ca play game

you're the last holdout after a miraculous return by lucy and jaiden

[Syn]

i scum-read tutuu before subbing out because of her overly conciliatory posting and opting out of any actual decisions

jaiden subbed in just as the wolves got dumpstered by seanzie being outed, has made vague promises of doing things, has not done things and instead relied on making a couple cute posts occasionally

i was expecting this to be communicated more before the pivot on me but at least it was communicated
lets be clear, it hasnt been active, so I've not had much oppurtunity to contribute
I've contributed where i can and like, im "cute" about it, but theyre real posts
idk what more i can do honestly

I guess this is going to be me living up to your "syn is mean" read, but, like, there's no way you believe this

you subbed in with a wolf caught and the game ripe for a turnaround. the effectiveness of an iso here is never higher. you're fresh blood with a fresh outlook who can catch bad interactions in a way that people mired in the toxicity maybe can't

or you could get involved in the debates/arguments and note where people are acting odd (like pushing sheep now finally)

i don't understand the conditions you think the game needs for you to get into it, especially since you're getting into it now that there's a real chance you're getting chopped. is it the threat of death? let us break your chains, jaiden. the machine of oppression can control you no longer. nirvana awaits

[Syn]

jaiden was excellently positioned to contribute and redeem her slot if she is town

subbing in and immediately bottoming out on wim and low-posting makes sense if she subbed into a team that had just gotten screwed over

can't sleep, in the thread from bed :3

these are honestly good points

maybe I should just stick with you and no one else

I'm willing to townread falcon but it entirely depends on what he does or does not do in the final 12 hours of the phase

oh you posted a lot I can keep responding

lucy would be a wolf for those reasons, also I might have expected lucy to low post yesterday to avoid the NK if she thought she was on the block but she hasn't referenced that at all today nor really given it a go, so your reasoning is sound

got any thoughts on cape?

i vaguely recall scum-reading him and then switching my read based on interactions with seanzie because of an assumption re: wolf agenda (that wolves would have just let seanzie sink instead of defending him till the end)

rereading the beginning of d3 at some point made that a little shaky, because for a time nobody was really interested in pushing seanzie and multiple people wanted to go elsewhere. and there have been multiple people now trying to claim town cred by being unaware (and wolves would of course be aware! that is why they are a-werewolves). so maybe my assumption isn't gucci prada

my thought is "idk"

[Jaiden Underwood]

i scum-read tutuu before subbing out because of her overly conciliatory posting and opting out of any actual decisions

jaiden subbed in just as the wolves got dumpstered by seanzie being outed, has made vague promises of doing things, has not done things and instead relied on making a couple cute posts occasionally

i was expecting this to be communicated more before the pivot on me but at least it was communicated
lets be clear, it hasnt been active, so I've not had much oppurtunity to contribute
I've contributed where i can and like, im "cute" about it, but theyre real posts
idk what more i can do honestly

I guess this is going to be me living up to your "syn is mean" read, but, like, there's no way you believe this

you subbed in with a wolf caught and the game ripe for a turnaround. the effectiveness of an iso here is never higher. you're fresh blood with a fresh outlook who can catch bad interactions in a way that people mired in the toxicity maybe can't

or you could get involved in the debates/arguments and note where people are acting odd (like pushing sheep now finally)

i don't understand the conditions you think the game needs for you to get into it, especially since you're getting into it now that there's a real chance you're getting chopped. is it the threat of death? let us break your chains, jaiden. the machine of oppression can control you no longer. nirvana awaits

yeah. i thought about that and was originally going to include that idea in my post
ISSUE: i suck at isos. i need to get better at them but uh. nows probably not the time. when i do them it usually makes me overthink or not think at all. depending on the person in question's style of posting
i always benefit more from (as i put it) prodding people. which i started doing going into d4
and have been doing, read my entire convo with uh. that person. that person with the weird reads that they didnt believe in. i forgot their name.
im sure youve seen it. ive been interacting when possible. had a rough d3 but i turned it around and im trying to do good!
youve not commented on any of it but I'm sure youve scrolled past it at some point

[Jaiden Underwood]

thank you, i still worry lol

vote pyxxy imo

oh i didnt see this post sorry
why? ive seen like 0 pyxxy so im willing to be influenced

how

I'm like, so important

im sure you are

[Jaiden Underwood]

pyxxy instant town. the trees told me so

[Jaiden Underwood]

@pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

I do but I'm waiting for falcon to show up before making any more moves

[Jaiden Underwood]

@pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

I do but I'm waiting for falcon to show up before making any more moves

whys that you silly old goose

[Jaiden Underwood]

followup: what if falcon doesnt show up?

[Syn]

[pyxxy]

followup: what if falcon doesnt show up?

I've got a deadline for him

[Jaiden Underwood]

followup: what if falcon doesnt show up?

I've got a deadline for him

okay and the first question
oh and really quick answer this question again since thats like. a non answer

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

I do but I'm waiting for falcon to show up before making any more moves

whys that you silly old goose

oh sorry didn't realize this was a serious question

because of what I said before:

unfortunately I am sleeping soon

I still have the heeby jeebies about how often Seanzie was specifically talking to falcon when falcon was not posting so well, but hey Porscha was 80% sure they were town so who am I to suspect someone who feels obvious.

But maybe killing outside of falcon is optimal because I think if we get the other mafia, it's easy to find out if the last mafia is even paying attention or not, that would feel maybe easy to gauge tbh. My guess is even if falcon is mafia, he probably isn't paying that much attention anyways and if he is not then he is town, I would assume if we kill a mafia and the next night kill makes sense, falcon is town

so i just talked myself out of voting falcon just now wow im so cool and tired

my very tired 3am gut read is that if we miss today, town falcon will appear in MILO, and if not, we kill him and it's his fault

if he doesn't show at all, implied in this is that he then would not be voting today, then I'm gonna majorly scumread him for it because that's beyond regular scummy falcon

as we saw yesterday, falcon was willing to leave his vote on Sean and then afk

Syn had that as a townread on falcon, I do too, but if falcon doesn't repeat the same behavior today _when there is much less certainty about how is a wolf_, that's scummy

[Jaiden Underwood]

i see
interesting

[pyxxy]

you know, I haven't really re-read Neon

[pyxxy]

tldr im fundamentally deceptive/strategic, could've done this as both alignments, i will find a wolf and clear myself

Basically yes.

hmm

[pyxxy]

one part of me wants to go seanzie

the other part of me wants to go tutuu/pyxxy because outed wolf seanzie isn't someone i wanna go immediately

we only have 1 Ml to spare, the second and we just lose, and we don't have doctor anymore

Give me 1 good reason to tr sean that also isnt that he sorta attempted replicating his town meta play day 1

i can't, i just don't wanna chop outed wolf seanzie and then die tonight and we lose the game cause i got one read wrong. better to chop a non outed wolf for better solving/game theory and we chop him tomorrow, since this is effectively mountainous rn

I disagree. We off guaranteed wolf to give us breathing room and another day

then why are u voting pyxxy

@lucy did you really think that you were going to be the N3 NK or was this just a turn of phrase? If yes, why?

[pyxxy]

alternatively lucy if you wanted to make the case about why you're town so that we can townclear you while I'm the NK tonight, that would also be helpful

[pyxxy]

if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?

i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that

I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything

because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

I don't know why scum lucy would write this D2 and then agree to NK Rondo

[pyxxy]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

hmm

[pyxxy]

alive players

lucy - lean town
DrWilgy - lean scum
Sheep - lean scum
Neon - town
Cape90 - lean town
tutuu - lean scum
pyxxy - lean scum
Syn - lean town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME- town RondoDimBuckle - town
Seanzie - lean town
falcon45ca - lean town
Porscha - town

since we're living in a game state where doc!Neon is part of our solve, scum was fine this letting a Neon with these reads live

[Cape90]

lucy I'm afraid.....that I can't beat the "being a top" allegations

it's okay buddy i believe you

[pyxxy]

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Incorrect.

@Sheep if you need an actual reason to townclear me, it's this exchange + the evidence it's providing

[robyn]

one part of me wants to go seanzie

the other part of me wants to go tutuu/pyxxy because outed wolf seanzie isn't someone i wanna go immediately

we only have 1 Ml to spare, the second and we just lose, and we don't have doctor anymore

Give me 1 good reason to tr sean that also isnt that he sorta attempted replicating his town meta play day 1

i can't, i just don't wanna chop outed wolf seanzie and then die tonight and we lose the game cause i got one read wrong. better to chop a non outed wolf for better solving/game theory and we chop him tomorrow, since this is effectively mountainous rn

I disagree. We off guaranteed wolf to give us breathing room and another day

then why are u voting pyxxy

@lucy did you really think that you were going to be the N3 NK or was this just a turn of phrase? If yes, why?

i thought i was

[pyxxy]

wait how am I playing a mafia game and I haven't done silly VCA coloring posts

what is wrong with me

[robyn]

@pyxxy why do you sr cape

[Cape90]

pyxxy/tutuu/sheep is my poe

which do u wanna go first @Cape90

i would have to reread tutuu's earlier days but i do feel like Jaiden has felt like they have been verbally stalling out this game. So maybe them

what do these words mean. what does any of these mean
you voted me after this so theres more to your read than this. right?
i dont appreciate being pushed and having no way to defend myself

you have your words to defend you and I am a player who likes reconsidering things, for better or for worse.

To me if felt like you were making posts, but not exactly solving for the game minus a few instances, but wholistically it felt like you were doing this thing to where you were avoiding reading the whole game and making up that by having some activity

[Cape90]

its snowing. the snow is so pretty
i dont like cape very much their read feels forced
syn and Lucy are probably fine
i have nothing specific on sheep they just dont react towny
can i take a nap now im sleepy

also it was partially forced admittedly as a lot of people have been trending up from earlier for me like syn/pyxxy, then lucy gone up, then down, then up again

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy why do you sr cape

1) he's never been a serious wagon yet every other time I've played with him, scum has tried to miskill him (and sometimes succeeded), so the complete lack of suspicion on Cape from D1 is weird to my experiences

2) he can't make up his mind on me, which is surprising, because I feel like our D1 exchange felt super t/t and I had Cape as a light tr after it, but somehow doubt has crept into his mind, which makes me doubt the good intentions of that doubt

I'm focused on my perspective here, grain of salt etc.

I kinda group him with you. You're in the same tinfoil bucket for me.

[pyxxy]

Alright I am gonna try solving this, i'm in the zone, listening to unfamiliar albums and ima be in the zone.

Sheep - 2493 seems like an odd comment to make considering that Sheep is now all of the sudden turning on me. Just reads as a lazy read to me, but then Sheep reconsidered so idk what that means either lol. I don't think Sheep is in wolf meta, their ideas are communicated clearer here then the wolf game I linked, and I didn't even mention that mash they just played on MU. Tinfoil says they were just tired of randing wolf making their wolf equity go up here. Not feeling it but thats why it's a tinfoil . I'm not sure I buy the turn around on me just given you said 2465 about me being potentially townier then Porscha not too long ago (but it is put in a hedgy way in which you can retract such a statement easily).

seanzie's my top vote out of these wagons by default

but also i'm staying on pyxxy lol

Odd. Mostly because you are on that unvote button right now. I felt like the comments toward pyxxy's large post potentially making Sheep able to townread them was a weird/lazy/forced post (i cannot find this post that i have in my head, i saw this in real time).
Sheep's push on falcon feels NAI to me.
Sheep's recent posts are just strange and towny in this sort of mix.
Could be pocketing Porscha.
Sheep's back and forths with pyxxy have been just really ??? like I get they were pocketing Porscha and all that, but Sheep had posts like 2142 in pretty much the middle of their pyxxy push vote (**this could have been day 2 though I probs should have checked**)
IDK I still feel like Sheep is town though, that's the thing
but im dropping to townlean for confusing me as of recent.

Porscha - I still feel like Porscha is obviously town so I guess this is a good "sheep". Highlights include

I think one of the best supporting reasons why not to kill Rondo there as mafia was because he was literally hammered a vote on town a day early.

This is even if lucy is wolf

I think that's a good point. But maybe wolves wanted his strong presence gone? He was kind of the backbone to the threadstate lol. I dont recall off the top of my head if pyxxy was in his list of people to vote off to win (I think rondo said pyxxy's eod 1 was clearing? I dont know how tho), but sean was in that list. (And before sean says "YoU wErE iN tHe LiSt ToO", I know)

lack of TMI

PLEASE OPEN THE SPOILER TO SEE MY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST FROM PYXXY IN THIS LIST

I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

Spoiler: show

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for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

joined in on the fun

>objective statement only

Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

>useless question that appears to be useful that has no opinions. Talking to talk. Passing the ball while touching the ball the least

joined in on the fun

why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

>"hey contested person, why did you >gotcha question?<"

wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

>Tonally wolf in tandem with pyxxy's other content

@DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

>"hey guy who thinks I'm wolf, do you plan on going on vacation soon? Do you think Italy sounds like fun?" Might as well have been said. No opinions. Attempting to sound inquisitive and solving by using objective information again

Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

>not showing town
>>aka kinda wolfy, in poe
>>>backhanded way of saying it when that was the point where sean looked the towniest, imo
>>>>I'd call it an awkward hedge on a partner in hindsight

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

>this was always a disgusting post cuz Sean's behavior always pisses off anyone he mindlessly tunnels. Especially town. "You know this person does this annoying thing! How could the annoying thing be annoying you??? Sounds kinda wolfy" LMAO OOKKURR actually so fucking funny

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

>lol not even gonna grace this one with a response it just looks awful in hindsight. It's a loaded question with no opinion from pyxxy

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

>Fights to ensure capes acknowledgement of Sean and pyxxy going onto bereft gets looked away from and let it rest on "whew yeah maybe neon is wolfing" which kinda just tmi'd wilgy town with the flips we have

Town (i know slightly scuffed and rushed).

pyxxy - Was looking at GOC day 1, I thought pyxxy's day 1 was a lot stronger there then it was here. 2560 I think has reasonable solving on Syn/Seanzie. I could see the logic. I think I would probably think the evidence there is stronger then pyxxy is giving off here tbh.

In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

skimmed sheep's iso and your iso from that game

It seems like sheep had to step up way out of their scum comfort zone in that game because of a newbie teammate outing on D1? Did I skim that correctly?

If so, does that change how you view sheep in this game at all?

I just compared the middle/end of that game to this game, even with the "stepping out of their scum comfort zone" in mind. They do have some odd jumps in logic like they have here, I still don't see too much the similarities beyond that, I still think Sheep was harder to read that game compared to here. So the answer is no. You have experience with scum sheep you would like to share?

Some of pyxxy is concerning to me, I didn't find thier long post particularly towny besides the work some of that took i guess. Tinfoil: they made this comment in part 1 of their long post, it goes as follows

So really just tutuu and Cape. I haven't really fleshed out this though, but if I had to suspect 1 of them, it would be Cape. I'll elaborate on this later.

This seems to be said with an already established mindset in mind when this isn't even in the middle of the post, it's one of the first points pyxxy makes. So in other words
1. they are establishing they are looking through a confbiased lens.
2. could point to there being an agenda.

Had some insight into the lucy thing

Because my read on lucy feels very WIFOM.

D1 scum lucy would have been some version of caught for the wrong reasons, which I could imagine being a factor in her decision to AtE as a defense. lucy has kept up the massive posting numbers and continues to lead the thread by a wide margin. I trust Neon to find town lucy amidst the AtE, but then Neon seems to stuck in the exact same mental spot as me:

I somewhat find the note on Neon to be a bit scummy. but eh okay.

I suppose the post has a decent amount of insight of where they were at.

I liked the note on lucy's 2212

Neon _does_ make no sense as the maf kill. Flips a D1 wagon that people didn't clear or town core D2. Does scum lucy just hand town this information after town managed to fucking _hammer_ Wilgy? I say no. The tinfoil stops here for me on lucy. Galaxy brain logic is never real. Town core lucy and if she's scum, well played. Or not. Idk. Town lucy.

I don't really get townpings from the rest of the post and the conclusions that are drawn from catching up, which feel relatively safe to me.

I don't like 2414 too much as this is right before their large post where they just say the same thing about Seanzie, that they need to revisit Seanzie.

There are points where it's like... maybe this is town? I kinda scumlean them though

Jaiden Underwood - Not sure what to think. I don't remember if I played with scum!Jaiden or town!Jaiden, I believe I thought they were town but thats where my memory fades on them. Not sure what to think of their turn around on me because I don't know how I posted towny content there lol.

lucy - lucy has been kinda fine today, dipped out of WIM city as soon as Rondo died. Obvious mafia

townlean

Seanzie - Feels like they are in their own world. Possible they could be scummy just based on them just casually moving on after DrWigly died. I think I could potentially see it despite liking some of their posts on glancing at them, not so much going any deeper really. Like the post about not wanting to move vote despite thinking tutuu and i think it was syn that was mediocre. something like that im running out of time.

scumlean

Syn - Im'a be frank, idk if i like their turn around on me just like that so idk i guess im fine with seeing this die. THOUGH, I sort of townread their posts moreso then other lurky lurkers?? Not like they are lurking at this point but it does at least today feel like they are weighing options i guess.

Null foir now as i rush this out

falcon45ca - Is really wolfy and I don't get why there is pushback against this slot. Only thing I can see is falcon turning around on their SR of me day 1. Otherwise, they seem a bit impossible for me to read as anything but a person who dont be doing stuff

scum

like this post didn't sell me in the moment

and the fact that cape has continued to make the most effort pushing me and sheep, who were the two people he wrote the most about here (besides townlock Porscha)

big meh from me on Cape

[Syn]

pyxxy, do you know the tale of icarus

[Cape90]

if I can't make my mind up on you, why are you town on my readslist?

[Cape90]

but it's for today pyxxy

[robyn]

like this post didn't sell me in the moment

can you try to verbalize this

[Cape90]

Like you even see in those posts sean and pyxxy defending each other. I'm 100% confbiased on this, good luck convincing me otherwise

Honestly I still townread Seanzie but all of this thread conversation is making me reconsider it. Once I'm caught up I'll re-read Sean and compare him to when I've played with scum Sean, pretty sure I did before and that's why I feel okay making a meta read on him up until this point. But now we're past when meta reads can suffice, I think.

this could be still forced, i think this could have been a good call out from me considering Seanzie was scum

[robyn]

regardless i think jaiden town now and i want the chop to be on pyxxy/sheep, believe there's a wolf in there but i'm still leaning towards pyxxy

[Cape90]

regardless i think jaiden town now and i want the chop to be on pyxxy/sheep, believe there's a wolf in there but i'm still leaning towards pyxxy

we are at an impasse because between those 2 im leaning sheep

i felt like unvoting jaiden too though

[robyn]

i think i'm somewhat easy to find as town but i think cape has been obv town entire game, i am however curious because it's accurate cape hasn't been pushed yet however i still tr him and i chalk that up to the t/t violence of me/rondo/syn

[robyn]

regardless i think jaiden town now and i want the chop to be on pyxxy/sheep, believe there's a wolf in there but i'm still leaning towards pyxxy

we are at an impasse because between those 2 im leaning sheep

i felt like unvoting jaiden too though

am i drunk or has pyxxy pushed jaiden?

god i haven't followed this game as closely as i should've

[Cape90]

like this post didn't sell me in the moment

and the fact that cape has continued to make the most effort pushing me and sheep, who were the two people he wrote the most about here (besides townlock Porscha)

big meh from me on Cape

that's because besides porscha, you were the other first 2 I read, then it became 20 til EOD and I had to rush out other things

[Cape90]

Also had felt like I couldn't add too much to the Seanzie convo

[pyxxy]

D1 VCA:
DrWilgy (1): Porscha
Neon (4): falcon, Bereft, Syn, Sheep
Bereft (5): Seanzie, pyxxy, DrWilgy, Cape, Rondo
pyxxy (3): Le petit, lucy, Neon
Unvote (1): tutuu/Jaiden

N1 NK: Le petit

D2 VCA:
DrWilgy (7): Cape, Syn, Porscha, Seanzie, Rondo, Neon, tutuu/Jaiden
Syn (3): falcon, DrWilgy, lucy
did not vote (1): pyxxy

N2 NKs: Rondo and Neon

D3 VCA:
Syn (1): Seanzie
Seanzie (4): Porscha, pyxxy, falcon, Syn
falcon (2): Sheep, Cape
did not vote (1): tutuu/Jaiden

N3 NK: Porscha

[pyxxy]

pyxxy, do you know the tale of icarus

I too can be too hot to handle