Scooby Doo: Monster Collective (GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN)

[hollowkatt]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

[CRichard]

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine
Preferably this slot should have been vigged.

[Chihiro]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

[CRichard]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

I didn't want to tie on Jack/Seanzie. In addition, Jack if town is more useful to be kept around than Seanzie.

[CRichard]

Also welcome Hollowkatt.

[CRichard]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

[CRichard]

And yes I thought Seanzie had a better chance of flipping mafia than Jack. It didn't age well, yet here we are.

[CRichard]

Interesting Pxy who died last night was a Jack voter. Again, unless there is info pointing otherwise. Jack is the optimal execution. Knowing the alignments of the EoD1 leading wagons would be the most helpful to town.

[Chihiro]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

[robyn]

jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

[CRichard]

jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

You town
Creature town
Dunya town.

[Chihiro]

@lucy why did u only ask crichard for reads on thoise people?

[robyn]

@lucy why did u only ask crichard for reads on thoise people?

because i don't think a pyxxy kill happens if creature/dunya are pure

what's your read on those 3?

[Chihiro]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

see this doesn't do much, cause if jack is even scum here why would he let seanzie die after calling the slot suss when he could just let them be a miselimination instead.

I still think seanzie died for being pretty heavily town, unless somewhere in the thread they bread crumbed being some good role which I dont think is the case. But either way I'm gonna iso them and see where there reads are cause that also could have been why they died.

[Chihiro]

oh wait i keep saying seanzie, but i mean pxxy.

i apparently stupid.

[Chihiro]

@lucy why did u only ask crichard for reads on thoise people?

because i don't think a pyxxy kill happens if creature/dunya are pure

what's your read on those 3?

not sure on you,

But the other 2 feel quite heavily town.

[hollowkatt]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

I didn't want to tie on Jack/Seanzie. In addition, Jack if town is more useful to be kept around than Seanzie.

yeah that's the thought I'm hopeful that you can explain further. My experience with Jack is that yes he's hard to chop but that he's more content to faff around than Seanzie is and that when they both get down to business they're approx equal but it can take a while for Jack to get up to ramming speed whereas seanzie can kinda just turn it on at will.

anyways, just some expanded thoughts would be awesome.

[hollowkatt]

Interesting Pxy who died last night was a Jack voter. Again, unless there is info pointing otherwise. Jack is the optimal execution. Knowing the alignments of the EoD1 leading wagons would be the most helpful to town.

maybe... I'm not sure I want to plunge headlong into that though as it feels kinda obvs?

[hollowkatt]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

see this doesn't do much, cause if jack is even scum here why would he let seanzie die after calling the slot suss when he could just let them be a miselimination instead.

I still think seanzie died for being pretty heavily town, unless somewhere in the thread they bread crumbed being some good role which I dont think is the case. But either way I'm gonna iso them and see where there reads are cause that also could have been why they died.

my brother in christ seanzie was the D1 chop, not a NK. are you woofin?

[hollowkatt]

oh wait i keep saying seanzie, but i mean pxxy.

i apparently stupid.

I should have kept reading

[Kate]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

Am I supposed to know what this means?

[hollowkatt]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

Am I supposed to know what this means?

they're conflating seanzie and pxxy

[CRichard]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

see this doesn't do much, cause if jack is even scum here why would he let seanzie die after calling the slot suss when he could just let them be a miselimination instead.

I still think seanzie died for being pretty heavily town, unless somewhere in the thread they bread crumbed being some good role which I dont think is the case. But either way I'm gonna iso them and see where there reads are cause that also could have been why they died.

my brother in christ seanzie was the D1 chop, not a NK. are you woofin?

I didn't know Christ was your lord.

[Chihiro]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

Am I supposed to know what this means?

they're conflating seanzie and pxxy

poor memory coupled with being dumb as a rock does this to a person

[Kate]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

[CRichard]

@lucy why did u only ask crichard for reads on thoise people?

because i don't think a pyxxy kill happens if creature/dunya are pure

what's your read on those 3?

I can see a world where Creature/Dunya aren't T/T, yet I wouldn't mind hearing a more in-depth explanation from you if you don't mind.

[Kate]

jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya

Do you want to flip jack bc you think he's bad or bc you want to resolve the slot? He seemed pretty townie to me yesterday in real time.

[CRichard]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

I didn't want to tie on Jack/Seanzie. In addition, Jack if town is more useful to be kept around than Seanzie.

yeah that's the thought I'm hopeful that you can explain further. My experience with Jack is that yes he's hard to chop but that he's more content to faff around than Seanzie is and that when they both get down to business they're approx equal but it can take a while for Jack to get up to ramming speed whereas seanzie can kinda just turn it on at will.

anyways, just some expanded thoughts would be awesome.

For more context, I had a game in which I wolfed with Seanzie and their game here reminded me of that from offsite.
I'm aware that this was at least a year ago, yet the memory sticks for a long time.
In addition, Seanzie was likely a perpetual PoE slot from my perspective and it would be game losing to have them around in LyLo.

[Chihiro]

What an event. Also im honestly surprised thgere wasnt some kind of protection on seanzie.

I'm sorry what?

seanzie felt town by the end of d1? or was that just me?

I didn't think so but neon seemed more town toward the end.

ehhh but neon is also a good miselimination for their focus on the puppet account.

Also seanzie death confirms more puppet accounts can exist

[falcon45ca]

Interesting Pxy who died last night was a Jack voter. Again, unless there is info pointing otherwise. Jack is the optimal execution. Knowing the alignments of the EoD1 leading wagons would be the most helpful to town.

Is this the extent of your SR on Jack...lynch all CWs to town flips?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[CRichard]

Interesting Pxy who died last night was a Jack voter. Again, unless there is info pointing otherwise. Jack is the optimal execution. Knowing the alignments of the EoD1 leading wagons would be the most helpful to town.

Is this the extent of your SR on Jack...lynch all CWs to town flips?

Jack is still in my PoE. Having them as the counter wagon to a flipped town is a bonus reason to vote them out, seeing as vigis provided they exist didn't kill their slot.

[CRichard]

And Falcon, if you read my posts on Jack. You'd know full well that Jack is one of my suspects. Yet you do you.

[Kate]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Why?

Why do you guys do this lol.

Cue old lady voice: in my day we gave a case or reasons

[Kate]

Oh wait seanzies still on the poll. Does that mean he's scrappy?

[falcon45ca]

Def feels like a difference check between Wilgy & Kate

What does this mean?

Kate, my friend, the dif check that Falcon references is simply implying that there are two conditions upon us. One a condition of one of us being a wolf, and two a condition of us not being on the same team.

However, the fault with this thinking is that there's not nearly enough tension held by either you or I that would make this possible. Falcon, are we being silly again?

See, the problem with this take is that my take wasn't based off tension...but rather the lack of it.




You said you were a fan of Kate's posts...what stuck out to you specifically? Which of her reads/opinions did you agree with the most?

Wilgy never addresses this flagrantly false representation of my SR on his slot...namely, how chummy he was w/ Kate w/ no real reason ever stated, just the vague "I like your posts"...and then he tried to frame it as tho I felt there was tension between the two, when that is the antithesis of my read.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Why?

Why do you guys do this lol.

Cue old lady voice: in my day we gave a case or reasons

Oh, I do state why...




Cue old geezer voice: just be patient young whipper snapper

[falcon45ca]

And Falcon, if you read my posts on Jack. You'd know full well that Jack is one of my suspects. Yet you do you.

Yeah, I s'pose I could do that. Hold up, Imma check

[Kate]

Def feels like a difference check between Wilgy & Kate

What does this mean?

Kate, my friend, the dif check that Falcon references is simply implying that there are two conditions upon us. One a condition of one of us being a wolf, and two a condition of us not being on the same team.

However, the fault with this thinking is that there's not nearly enough tension held by either you or I that would make this possible. Falcon, are we being silly again?

See, the problem with this take is that my take wasn't based off tension...but rather the lack of it.




You said you were a fan of Kate's posts...what stuck out to you specifically? Which of her reads/opinions did you agree with the most?

Wilgy never addresses this flagrantly false representation of my SR on his slot...namely, how chummy he was w/ Kate w/ no real reason ever stated, just the vague "I like your posts"...and then he tried to frame it as tho I felt there was tension between the two, when that is the antithesis of my read.

I felt no tension on my end of the convo if that makes any difference.

[Kate]

Def feels like a difference check between Wilgy & Kate

What does this mean?

Kate, my friend, the dif check that Falcon references is simply implying that there are two conditions upon us. One a condition of one of us being a wolf, and two a condition of us not being on the same team.

However, the fault with this thinking is that there's not nearly enough tension held by either you or I that would make this possible. Falcon, are we being silly again?

See, the problem with this take is that my take wasn't based off tension...but rather the lack of it.




You said you were a fan of Kate's posts...what stuck out to you specifically? Which of her reads/opinions did you agree with the most?

Wilgy never addresses this flagrantly false representation of my SR on his slot...namely, how chummy he was w/ Kate w/ no real reason ever stated, just the vague "I like your posts"...and then he tried to frame it as tho I felt there was tension between the two, when that is the antithesis of my read.

I just did a quick read of his last ~20 posts, I don't see where he said we had tension.

[CRichard]

Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.

Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

[Scotty]

Host made an oopsie- Seanzie should not be in the poll. Please do not vote for Seanzie

[falcon45ca]

I'm not so sure Jack is a mafia now. Their lasts posts don't give off the vibe of mafia resigned to dying D1.

Hmmmmmm

[falcon45ca]

Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

[CRichard]

Another reason to vote out Jack, is that we can probably clear their voters in the world they are mafia.
If Jack otoh is town, then the odds are 1 wolf voted on Jack, another on Seanzie and the rest were off both wagons.

[CRichard]

Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

[CRichard]

And again, vigis provided they exist either didn't follow the wisdom of flipping the CW. Or were prevented from doing so.

[falcon45ca]

Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

Ahem I voted Jack before EOD1 and am voting them now. That should make it pretty obvious Jack is in my PoE.

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.





I thought he was fairly towny last RD

[hollowkatt]

Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.

[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna

I didn't want to tie on Jack/Seanzie. In addition, Jack if town is more useful to be kept around than Seanzie.

yeah that's the thought I'm hopeful that you can explain further. My experience with Jack is that yes he's hard to chop but that he's more content to faff around than Seanzie is and that when they both get down to business they're approx equal but it can take a while for Jack to get up to ramming speed whereas seanzie can kinda just turn it on at will.

anyways, just some expanded thoughts would be awesome.

For more context, I had a game in which I wolfed with Seanzie and their game here reminded me of that from offsite.
I'm aware that this was at least a year ago, yet the memory sticks for a long time.
In addition, Seanzie was likely a perpetual PoE slot from my perspective and it would be game losing to have them around in LyLo.

thanks, I appreciate it. I've wolfed with Seanzie before, AtLA game here. We dominated b/c he has like amazing amounts of knowledge of that lore and we used that knowledge to soup like half the game lol
I think I can follow what you're saying here, might check back in on this later.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

And again, vigis provided they exist either didn't follow the wisdom of flipping the CW. Or were prevented from doing so.

VKs for slankers IMO