Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Party Crasher]

I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!

Who are you?

Im the smartest one

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean tbh you can probably flip me and still win as long as y'all don't do stupid shit.

You havent answered my question. What have you learned from giving your guns out?

Scotty probably not a wolf.

I dunno yet about Dr Wilgy, still waiting.

Why? Wilgy is 3p so is Sloonie

[Party Crasher]

I also dont know how marmot managed to weasel his way out of being poe

That slimy little beaver keeps getting away with it

[S~V~S]

I'm going to read Radishes while at work today (to really OG myself, I can't call him "MR" becasue for me that is Mighty Rearranger) since, he's taking some heat and I can't remember a single thing he has said and he has about 2x as many posts as me, so I think I should. Is he normally blendy?

Also reading Michelle since I want to see what Golden is talking about since I don't see it.

Leaving my vote on Marmot at this time, since I still think he's bad.

Also, since i just realized sig voted me yesterday, thanks @sig for not shooting me

[Michelle]

I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!

Who are you?

Im the smartest one

Let's not go into that direction

[Michelle]

I also dont know how marmot managed to weasel his way out of being poe

That slimy little beaver keeps getting away with it

The second post where i feel envy in your words

[MacDougall]

was he wolf there?

Yes he was a 3p that converted me because I sr him d1

Wait you are referring to that game?

Yes. You literally were just openly commenting about being too busy in the thread that game.

That was, like, the only game in the last year where I actually tried. Pretty sure I top-posted that game start to finish.

Your memory is bad and you should feel bad.

Top posting doesn't mean didn't you just openly fluffed D1 like rn

Oh I forget we've only played like two games together.

Hi I'm MR nice to meet you.

[Michelle]

Sleep
1
5%
Voters: Urist

@Urist why do you want to kill Sleep? Did you find a scumtell?

[MacDougall]

How in the world is Wilgz towncored

He's town bruv.

Man's iso is barren

I mean that's Wilgy.

Why you throwing so much shade at us slankers?

[MacDougall]

How in the world is Wilgz towncored

He's town bruv.

Man's iso is barren

I mean that's Wilgy.

Why you throwing so much shade at us slankers?

Wilgz usually has AI posts D1. This iso has nothing AI.
So how is ender coming to the conclusion Wilgz is town?

Okay but it's not 'barren'. There's substance. I don't think it's AI but there are *things* someone could read into if they wanted to.

[MacDougall]

Actually Wilgy's iso is neither barren nor alignment indicative.

You're both wrong.

If its not barren or AI then what is it?

I think we're missing each other semantically. To me 'barren' means 'empty' as in there's no real gameplay.

To use in a sentence: "Master Radishes' iso is as barren as his womb and he is therefore a wolf."

Whereas to me Wilgy's iso is not empty - there's gameplay in it - but it's just not, for him, super AI yet and so I agree Ender is reaching but also he's allowed to make his own conclusions and you don't need to shade him for it.

[MacDougall]

sabi is mafia tho

okay im glad it isn't just me lol

[Party Crasher]

Ok im convinced

[VOTE: radish] aubergine

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Cute :3

[MacDougall]

My face has been fucked enough this game already.

I can't vote this man

[MacDougall]

If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.

Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.

Okay

[Michelle]

Radishes is scum as well.

Good to know

How do you figure

Because he's not doing anything but be irreverent so far and Michelle is trying to prod him.

I say we wagon him.

I had time to look for this post
@Porscha the first sentence isn't a joke, it's a defence.
The last sentence is a joke and is hard to say it's AI

[MacDougall]

I was staring at the vote list just now and making reads based off the composition of certain 2-vote wagons and I suddenly remembered that I used to be considered good at this game.

If you played more you might have a funniest poster award in your future bub

[MacDougall]

YOU KNOW WHAT


Urist + Kate + Seanzie.

Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?

@Party Crasher

[MacDougall]

YOU KNOW WHAT


Urist + Kate + Seanzie.

Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?

Who are you?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

you do you, bro.

or more to the point

[Party Crasher]

YOU KNOW WHAT


Urist + Kate + Seanzie.

Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?

@Party Crasher

U could be right but im not seeing anything, we have evidence of wolves making an absurd bus, im just gonna keep ppl in my poe i think are scummy / uncharacteristic

I think rondo is way too tame and sensible this game to be town

-tuu

[Michelle]

Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.

What else is against Dizzy?

[Michelle]

Tutuu do you remember when i suspected you an entire game for being nice and fuzzy?
What if Rondo decided to be tamed and sensible out of the blue?

[Michelle]

I am waiting for the read from Svs after she reads my posts tbh

:popcorn

[Party Crasher]

Tutuu do you remember when i suspected you an entire game for being nice and fuzzy?
What if Rondo decided to be tamed and sensible out of the blue?

Thats illegal

[Michelle]

Tutuu do you remember when i suspected you an entire game for being nice and fuzzy?
What if Rondo decided to be tamed and sensible out of the blue?

Thats illegal

Nah, I did it myself with my own play.
I received the supreme push from Zeus in a mash "Michelle is too nice and chatty" (citing from memory)
I can't forget it lol

[Michelle]

Work moment again, anyway the thread is slooow

[Party Crasher]

Anyway things are looking pretty good

Wilgy is leashed and he needs to shoot a target we can all agree on

The event gun is loud so the shooter cant just shoot lucy

So we have 2 shots into the poe today. Feels pretty rad

@DrWilgy pls dont hero shoot lmao

[Michelle]

Before i turn to work, what's your read for me tutuu?

[S~V~S]

I am waiting for the read from Svs after she reads my posts tbh

:popcorn

Hope you got a lot of popcorn since I’m on my way out the door and may or may not be able to post at work much.

[MacDougall]

Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.

What else is against Dizzy?

Tried to save Seanzie.

[Party Crasher]

Before i turn to work, what's your read for me tutuu?

Ive no clue honestly i forgot how to read you

Dz also kept going back and forth

Initially i scumread u and he townread u. Then just as i switched and townread u he started scumreading u lol

[Party Crasher]

Maybe 112 is a non-controversial shot? Since she cant post much due to her circumstances

[Party Crasher]

And hollowkatt

[Michelle]

Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.

What else is against Dizzy?

Tried to save Seanzie.

Capital crime!
What do you say in your defence @Dyslexicon ?

[Michelle]

Before i turn to work, what's your read for me tutuu?

Ive no clue honestly i forgot how to read you

Dz also kept going back and forth

Initially i scumread u and he townread u. Then just as i switched and townread u he started scumreading u lol

Ily people, you made me laugh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I will answer the question of why I voted and unvoted

I voted you because I think you are a wolf

I unvoted you because my town core disagrees

Do we? I’m happy to withdraw if we really do, but genuinely I think we should have Michelle on the list.

I discussed a bunch with Mac earlier he's clearing Michelle and I'm trusting it

Lol did I?

Pretty sure my most recent read on Michelle isn't clearing but maybe I just thought it and didn't say it.

Maybe it was less... clearing than I thought you meant?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

My attempts to be a better person fail again.

It's fine. You're fine.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If i (tutuu) win the event im shooting the wagon with most votes when the gun is given out

Democracy

If i Neon lose the event again I'm gonna cry.

My logo was so good. And my horse is even better.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Others are too. I think Ender has told me the same.

To be fair I said:
"People who have meta on Creature would disagree. I can see how Neon didn't know that tho."

You did

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Interesting note that I am somehow not in anybody's poe that I aware of

I was considering changing that but then you were just obvious town again.

I think HK is a wolf tbh.

Agreed Porscha is obv town and should never be wagoned or shot

[Scotty]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

The fact that Alison and Sabi were trying to soft pair me with them and Seanzie was trying to save his own skin with mine doesnt clear me is hilarious. but go on.

It really does clear you.

And so does your townie entitlement.

I'm convinced.

Now let's find mafia.

*not if Alison and sabi didn’t know they were paired with rondo*

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Inb4 Porscha and lily are W/W and have decided to both just keep talking about how they think they deserve and understand why people are scum reading them

[Party Crasher]

Are u still confident (mechanically wise / some info) that theres only 1 soup wolf left? @EnderWiggin @Lilypetal

[DrWilgy]

Putting in some actual time into reading scum isos.

Someone catch me up in terms of known mechanics.

[Scotty]

Ladies and gentlemen, a world first. I am going to let you into the mind of Macdougall like never before ... it's TRUSTFALL TIME, featuring, myself arguing with myself! I do hope to entertain you!

If this player was town, what would be the reason? And why is that argument really shit at the same time?

112 - 112 has felt like a player who has no teammates. They seem to lack TMI. They also shielded Hollowkatt early on, who has at least a small amount of Alison spew going for him.
Sure but they are also not trying to solve the game, and can be a level 1 slankwolf.
That is true, they are probably fairly hard null without closer analysis.
I would agree!

DrWilgy - DrWilgy's posts have not actively pinged me, or anyone really. There's nobody in the game who seems to have an axe to grind and wants to push him.
Yes, and why haven't the wolves actually drawn attention to his lack of production. What is the benefit to the mafia of not attempting to make someone who is not present a viable option.
Honestly the mafia have had their work cut out for them dealing with a fairly robust town, yesterday there was mafia in the POE and they died, it's not like they really would have felt all that comfortable trying to bring attention to new candidates in a way that was very persuasive.
True, you may have a point. Perhaps it's worth checking if anyone at all attempted to make Wilgy a suspect. Because I'd expect at least a LITTLE nibble at it from Alison or another wolf or two.
Agreed!

Dyslexicon - Dyslexicon has acted at times like a voice of reason. They are quite a calming influence on the thread.
But they tried to save Seanzie and undermine your push on Alison.
Yes well that also is probably a bit too sloppy for a wolf of Dyslexicon's skill level.
That's being generous, Dyslexicon is a good wolf, and good wolves understand that defending mafia teammmates when you have credibility is the most +ev thing you can do as a wolf)
You may have a point my good sir!

EnderWiggin - Ender has seemed to sincerely believe that Rondo is mafia. He has made that his near permanent axe to grind, and regardless of Rondo's alignment, Rondo's point of that boxing Ender in in the event of his flip being town, is a good one.
Yes but Rondo is town, and Ender has done nothing but push a town, which is wolfy, again you're being too generous.
Maybe so, maybe so.

falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?


Golden - Golden's wim and level of solving is very high. He is probably just town on play. He also has some pretty good Alison antispew going for him.
He also worked pretty hard to try to get SVS over instead of Seanzie (and probably other wolves), and SVS is probably town. He also was a strong supporter of Alison being in the towncore.
Seanzie also didn't try to push SVS when she was quite viable, and Alison also didn't push SVS when she could have ... you also thought Alison was town for the most part. Golden showed some signs of scepticism towards Alison, and he also openly conflicted with her on Kate.
Well... we'll get to SVS later. I think it's probably mostly paranoia to continue suspecting Golden so imma let it go.

Guillotine - He's in his town meta. I don't think he has TMI.
Alison literally pulled him out of your POE. He pushed you egregiously. His interactions with Rondo when they were both pushing you were super unusual.
Yeah she pulled him out but didn't pull Seanzie out because she was the assigned deepwolf of the team and had a pass to bus and townside.
Plausible, yet ... no just plausible honestly.

hollowkatt - Alison tried to persuade you to drop your townshield, which she did successfully, but she didn't push him, which means she was probably doing so in order to get YOU to push HK, which you did, not PUSH him herself, which if she wanted him to get actual pressure, she would do herself so she could get the cred, not leave you with the dirty hands. Also he got super mad and told someone to fuck off.
Hahaha... yeah I got nothing. This argument is solid.

Kate - Kate has okay tone and a shield from Golden that probably should be just sheeped. Also Alison tried to kill her.
Again... point well made.

Lilypetal - Every time Lily is around and someone says anything mean to me she defends me.
She would do that as mafia because you're pocketable and if she pushed you you'd be inclined to see right through it cuz she townreads you accurately all the time, she's done no hunting as town. She is squarely in her wolf meta.
Yeah... when u rite u rite homes.

Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.

Marmot - I think Marmot was an attempted CFD at the last minute that wolves participated in.
He is not out of his wolf range.
His solving has been quite good when he's had the time. Nutella has a great instinct read on Marmot and shielded him hard and died.
Yep. Marmot is town.

master radishes - Radishes feels like a man without a team. He just sort of wanders in, laments not knowing what to do and then tries to figure out where to go. It's agendaless.
Well... you are describing a wolf. Where is his town intent?
Hmmm.
He also voted Marmot at EOD over Seanzie.
Hmmm.

Michelle - She literally just sheeped me all day until like the end and then voted Scotty. I mean I can have bad reads but the amount she did it, she was doing that instead of really attempting to pursue a wolf wincon.
Or a town one. She was trying to pocket you. She's done very little aside from try to pocket you. She ended up voting Scotty who is spewed clear from Alison.
I'm not sure that spew is very reliable.
Maybe not, but you shouldn't trust her. And Alison was actually shielding her with a misrep meta read saying she "wears her alignment on her sleeve" and is in her obvious town meta when you and i both know that she is not actually in her town meta at all.
True, maybe the wolves have all banded together from jump street and said "we're just pocketing Mac". Seanzie completely ignored pushing me which he like never does, Alison shielded me, Sabi pushed me a LITTLE bit but a lot less than usual and I also was pushing her. Maybe it's their entire agenda and why you're alive?
Now you get it!

Neon - Neon shot, an wolf, and has been otherwise shielding you.
Well if the wolf team's agenda is to pocket you, here's one.
Shot, an wolf.
Yes, yes. True. We let those skate. (unless they're sig).

Party Crasher - Lots of good solving from some of the heads, Hydra dissonance, Tutuu being all CFD happy the way she was isn't damning, and Marmot isn't clear so I can't hold that against her. Today particularly vibey solving.
Their solving today was predicated on something that ended up being provably wrong. Your overnight solving had them as lock mafia. Go back there moron.
Hmmm. Okay!

Porscha - Porscha is town.
I agree. Porscha is town.

RondoDimBuckle - Alison tried to chain him to the very specific universe in which Seanzie flipped mafia KP. Seanzie tried to make him the counterwagon.
True, I have no doubt anymore that Rondo is town either. Also maybe Seanzie sticking here and not trying to participate in teh Marmot C/W actually means Marmot was a hit too, maybe the CFD voters are all town?
Plausible. Plausible...

S~V~S - SVS voted you, you could have shot her.
She might be gambitting. In the end you couldn't shoot her cuz she was the only one that voted you.
That's true, Scotty really should have been voting me at EOD and found a reason not to. He's just mafia.
I really do think he is, and Alison spew is unreliable, but this is about SVS.
Yes I think if Scotty is mafia, SVS is probably mafia?
I would agree. They are teammates if one is wolf so too is the other.


Scotty - Alison spew?
Is unreliable, didn't vote you after trying to persuade everyone to vote you. Tried to save Seanzie.
Marmot can be mafia here.
Yes it is actually becoming rather likely that Marmot/Scotty is a w/t dichotomy, and SVS's alignment also hinges on Scott. SVS's alignment will actually tell a fair bit about this game.
I agree.

sig - Sig shot Alison. The end.
Sig is in his wolf meta. He townread her. He can't shoot someone he townreads that's egregious.
He shot Alison. There is no second mafia team. At best he's 3p.
True.
And also you actually think he's in his town meta why are you telling yourself he's in his wolf meta.
Well he's in his wolf meta in terms of his contribution and impact but his actual play has lots of his town notes, paranoia, entitlement.
Yup, so he's a townread.
Yeah i guess so. That's an amazing vig shot. I can scarcely believe he made it.
He is right when he says he plays vig like that. You've seen it.

Sloonei - He's just like thread dad with no agenda.
So he's an obvious 3p lol.
... true actually haha.

Urist - He's been pro mac and seems to believe his reads.
Yeaaaaaaah but he voted Rondo instead of Seanzie, and has been non stop pushing Golden who is probably town... and there was something else you found before and forgot.
Yeahhhh ok.

Okay so after unpacking my thoughts like a single player chess game.

Town unsorted

golden
sig
rondo
guillo
kate
hollowkatt
marmot
neon
porscha

Null/3p/? unsorted

Falcon
Sloonei
112
DrWilgy
Michelle

POE sorted

Scotty
SVS
Party Crasher
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Urist

I’m reading from behind again so I’m sorry if this has been discussed or your reads have changed during the night like the mayor from Nightmare before Christmas

I wholly agree I should be in the POE- I don’t have any mech in my favor nor have my reads been particularly good based on the reveals. But don’t suspect me for not ending on you Mac. My vote was on you up until the last minute when no one else but SVs was voting there, so I put my vote to better use since 2 votes in your words don’t do anything

[Party Crasher]

"Their solving today was predicated on something that ended up being provably wrong."

?

[Dyslexicon]

Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.

What else is against Dizzy?

Tried to save Seanzie.

Capital crime!
What do you say in your defence @Dyslexicon ?

Hello!

I see I have votes on me. I did not try to save Sean, no. In fact, I listened to Nut and whoever else in their Sean suspicion and I genuinely feel I helped push him and the general PoE which I felt was good last day. I think maybe I'm playing supporting cast here, but saying I was trying to save Sean is just wrong and I'm pretty confident that whatever suspicion is on me isn't garnered from actually going through my play critically.

I'll quickly explain my perspective. I felt like the general PoE and the wagons we had (Sean, Rondo, SVS) was good, and there was definitely mafia in it, so what I tried to do was keep all wagons as an option throughout the day, because that could be very revealing later when the PoE is cleared up and if there are town in the PoE. I always preferred Sean > Rondo myself though, because Sean had claimed KP. The reason I voted Marmot at EoD is that I really believed he was mafia in the moment, because of his posts at EoD. I just played a game where Marmot was mafia, and it has felt much the same to me as here at points. I thought he was town enough on D1 and didn't really think much about it. He completely dropped off D2 (and yes, I know he's busy), but also some awkward posts right at EoD, which was how I caught him last game. Especially him not voting Mac and not acknowledging the request from Scotty, I thought was bad. He said he did comment on it today though, and I still haven't went back to check that, but I didn't see it at EoD. If he did respond to it, that's my mistake. But fact remains, I thought Marmot was mafia at EoD still, and his vote on Sean I could see both as a bus or a piling on. So yeah, I may have freaked out a little bit and did get cold feet on Sean, I can concede that. But I didn't know Sean's alignment, and I think that is pretty clear, and also a much more relevant thing to consider if people are trying to solve me critically. We already know mafia was willing to bus Sean after Alison's flip. Pretty sure Alison had her vote on Sean from pretty early on. And if I'm not mistaken, Sean voted Rondo, so it's a very bad effort of me if I had some grand plan to save Sean. Which may reflect good on Rondo when I think I'm town and I did what I did in the moment, and it's genuine. I could've stuck the course on Sean, but I also feel like I helped box him in in the first placed, actually by listening to other players, which is something I do well as town. I think my whole D2 pretty aptly shows some of my strengths and weaknesses as town. (Also, I know it doesn't work this way, but when Sean said he was 1-shot, I didn't see a reason for him over others in my PoE anymore, not considering that he obviously could just lie. Which is also revealing about me.)

Anyway, that's some of my perspective on that. And I don't really want to use a lot of time defending myself, but am happy to expand on what my perspective is. That's basically all I can do about that.

There's a bunch of things I haven't checked yet. I haven't gone through Sean or Alison spew even. I'm also not sure if this is multi ball or not. So I'm very much not so sure anymore on where I stand. So I do ask for some patience there, as per usual, game day starts and I get left behind because of the timing of it. I'll be around later tonight though.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Too many words for my broken ass brain

[Party Crasher]

Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.

Marmot ( 4 ): MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, Scotty

Why did you stop pushing me? You werent really pushing seanzie you were pushing me you were 100% CONVINCED I was mafia. Why did you not end on me? Nutella was the one who kept the seanzie train on track and running on time. You cant claim credit for something you didnt vote for. I think I even made a more convincing case for seanzie than you did. I am not claiming credit because I refused to self-pres yesterday.

falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?

hmm good point

Rondo has to be mafia man

-t