Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

Another dazzlingly uninformed vote.

I love this post.

Don't love that it's a vote for me, but I love the sentiment nonetheless.

[EnderWiggin]

I conclude that neither dynamic is likely to be t/t or w/w.

now this is some bullshit that needs to go away. I am almost 100% certain barring Ender being late wolf that we are t/t Thats why I am ignoring him. Bad logic bad Mac

See how quick you are to weathervane back to sussing me. Yet Ender is being treated like a lock town. Make me understand why are you being so generous towards him?

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

You said this in games where there werent any 3p at all. So maybe I am just doing my thing

I'm quite sure I've actually correctly read you as a 3p before at least once which is not an easy read to make. I don't think me incorrectly reading you as a 3p one time is a reasonable reason for me to ignore the logic I'm following in this case.

Wolf you AND town you would probably BOTH be tilted and omgussing Ender or at least bothered and confused and flip flopping on him. Calm adamance he is just wrong town is just such a surprising response from you. Do you have mech that he is town or something?

Ender please chime in and explain how you feel about this and Rondo in general. How do you reconcile him as mafia still if he is unwaveringly townreading you? What is the mafia agenda in doing this?

Honestly the unwavering townread on me

Coupled with the lack of any sort of care about my reads.

Is like why I'm certain he's not town.

Because if he is this is the weirdest he has ever treated me. And I KNOW he respects my ability to read the game.

He loves to do things that are wtf for how wolf!him would react, and he knows very well how to do that.

And the problem is he knows that I can't shake the occasional doubt on my read lmao. Which probably feeds into the whole "Ignore Ender" because he's also identified that I don't have huge sway rn.

[EnderWiggin]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

You REALLY think I haven't been trying to kill Rondo?

I am the reason Rondo was in contention and have been making points for Rondo being wolf like all day lmao

Eh that's fair. I was probably trying to force my weird allegory and overlooked that a bit. But I haven't really personally felt like you've made much in terms of appeals to others.

I mean I haven't specifically appealed to others outside a general pointing at things and waving my hands, so eh.

[Alison]

I townread ender

[MacDougall]

Yes likewise.

[EnderWiggin]

Will miracles never cease.

[MacDougall]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

[MacDougall]

Will miracles never cease.

What are you talking about I've townread you and towncored with you a cpl times of late. When are you gonna drop the tired notion I never town read you lol. All I need is you to be town and not get miselimmed day 1 and I get there haha.

[MacDougall]

I also really don't like Scotty's wagon comp. There's obviously some town there but if there isn't fur on that wagon I'm not here.

[EnderWiggin]

Will miracles never cease.

What are you talking about I've townread you and towncored with you a cpl times of late. When are you gonna drop the tired notion I never town read you lol. All I need is you to be town and not get miselimmed day 1 and I get there haha.

Oh, no it was just the sudden Alison + you throwing that out. lol.

[RondoDimBuckle]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

I mean I did some cheeky OMOGUS in the beginning but I guess its like if Sabi was going hard at you. You would chuckle and move on

That is not what would happen if Sabi went hard at me lol. Demonstrably so.

And it's certainly not a reasonable allusion to make given Ender and you know each other better than anyone else in the game knows either of you. You hand waving away someone you know as well as Ender pushing you makes zero sense to be coming from town you. I would expect town Rondo to view it as so egregious to be outing.

Why? I play scummy

[RondoDimBuckle]

I conclude that neither dynamic is likely to be t/t or w/w.

now this is some bullshit that needs to go away. I am almost 100% certain barring Ender being late wolf that we are t/t Thats why I am ignoring him. Bad logic bad Mac

See how quick you are to weathervane back to sussing me. Yet Ender is being treated like a lock town. Make me understand why are you being so generous towards him?

No this is me chastising you for bad logic not calling you wolf. Like you do to me but it's interesting that you thought that

[RondoDimBuckle]

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

You said this in games where there werent any 3p at all. So maybe I am just doing my thing

I'm quite sure I've actually correctly read you as a 3p before at least once which is not an easy read to make. I don't think me incorrectly reading you as a 3p one time is a reasonable reason for me to ignore the logic I'm following in this case.

Wolf you AND town you would probably BOTH be tilted and omgussing Ender or at least bothered and confused and flip flopping on him. Calm adamance he is just wrong town is just such a surprising response from you. Do you have mech that he is town or something?

No I have already explained to Alison he thinks he caught me. Why would wolf Ender bother? There is no reason he would expose himself day 1 like he did he is 3p or lost wolf at worst and that's nothing to worry about till fx

[RondoDimBuckle]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

You REALLY think I haven't been trying to kill Rondo?

I am the reason Rondo was in contention and have been making points for Rondo being wolf like all day lmao

You got me to 4! That's pretty good for day 2

[RondoDimBuckle]

I townread ender

Yes likewise.

What cracks me up is I was already there but I am a wolf for it. Ender will probably die tonight and I die tomorrow hahahha

[EnderWiggin]

Rondo.

I'mma take a moment and think of the world where I'm wrong on you.

Talk to me about your thoughts.

Do you think that my towncore is infiltrated?

[S~V~S]

Friendos give marmot another day pls.

@MacDougall @Alison @S~V~S @Scotty @Golden @Party Crasher @Michelle @Sloonei

Please, it's clear they simply didn't have time today and will participate in earnest when they can, and I do believe they are likely just town and will be very helpful when available. Let's get Seanzie today, the fact no one is following me there despite nothing about him looking town just makes me more confident

I mean…why is marmot likely town? Why the sudden switch?

The probable answer to this is something you yourself commented on and kinda blew off.

They sent Nutella something. Something that gives her BOTD. I feel pretty good about her, too.

Not sure if this comes up later and I haven't come across it yet.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for now.

I'll be back closer to EOD.


I gave nutella a magical item last night, ask her about it.

ok so like. Was this a continuation vote from D1 because I called you a groundhog?

And I’m sure whatever magical items you and Nutella shared at night can remain a mystery as far as I’m concerned

I'm gonna read the case on Sean, and try to read his ISO before I have to go to work, since I haven't seen much alarming there; I would prefer to vote on suspicion. Hopefully I have the choice, but will vote to save if need be.

I'll be here the last hour, the implacable Accountants are coming today instead of yesterday so I'll prolly run a bit late at work.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo.

I'mma take a moment and think of the world where I'm wrong on you.

Talk to me about your thoughts.

Do you think that my towncore is infiltrated?

What's your reads? Probably

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin likewise what do you think of my reads?

[EnderWiggin]

Rondo.

I'mma take a moment and think of the world where I'm wrong on you.

Talk to me about your thoughts.

Do you think that my towncore is infiltrated?

What's your reads? Probably

DrWilgy/Neon/Falcon/Michelle/Nutella - Central towncore

Dizzy/Mac/HK/Lily - Towncore but not as towncore

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin likewise what do you think of my reads?

Tbh every time I read I feel like your reads change.

I know you had a tinfoil on Mac earlier which was weird, then you've thrown out a bunch of other weird takes, and perhaps an ISO would help but also you post a ton.

So I'd rather have you summarise your current feelings then hash out my takes on them.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin likewise what do you think of my reads?

Tbh every time I read I feel like your reads change.

I know you had a tinfoil on Mac earlier which was weird, then you've thrown out a bunch of other weird takes, and perhaps an ISO would help but also you post a ton.

So I'd rather have you summarise your current feelings then hash out my takes on them.

There a list In my ISO it hasn't really changed except for golden

[EnderWiggin]

112 - Unknown
Alison - Town
Cape90 - Dead - Town
Creature - Town
Dennis - Dead - Town
DrWilgy - Town
Dyslexicon - Town
EnderWiggin - Town
falcon45ca - Town
Golden - Town
Guillotine - Unknown - Mafia
hollowkatt - Unknown - Mafia
ilario - Dead - 3P - MOD SQUAD
inawordyes - Dead - Town
Kate - Unknown - Town
Le petit poussin - Dead - Town
Lilypetal - Town
lucy - Dead - Town
MacDougall - Town
Marmot - Unknown - Mafia
master radishes - Town
Michelle - Town
Neon - Town
nutella - Town
Party Crasher - 3P
Porscha - Town
pyxxy - Dead - Town
RondoDimBuckle - Town
S~V~S - Mafi
sabiplz - Dead - SOUP MAFIA
Scotty - Unknown - Mafia
Seanzie - Mafia
sig - Unknown - Mafia
Sloonei - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Dead Town
Urist - Unknown - Town

@RondoDimBuckle This one?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo.

I'mma take a moment and think of the world where I'm wrong on you.

Talk to me about your thoughts.

Do you think that my towncore is infiltrated?

What's your reads? Probably

DrWilgy/Neon/Falcon/Michelle/Nutella - Central towncore

Dizzy/Mac/HK/Lily - Towncore but not as towncore

Dizzy I think might have you because of how they have been acting around me but that could be just because they got you once so my confidence in your read has fallen and the only reason I have them as town in my list is because of you.

Lily basically so wrong day 1 confident town core for me. Mac is fine. My first attack was to see how people behaved when I attacked him and guillotine jumped in then pretended to not notice me and I dislike that mac let that slide or everyone else but whatever. After that was just small tunfoils that I have been asserting in case he is wolf and generally to keep up the vibe that I don't town read him. As much as I do. Hk I could yeet so far into the sun but that's because I don't read hk as well as others and they're a low poster so if there is Sabi spew that changes things.


Wilgy I just accept that others town read and had me pocketed from his entrance. Plus sabi spew I think? Neon is not wolf and will self resolve so isn't end gaming if she is.

Falcon is hilarious and not wolf unless he is working with someone controlling thread to come at me how he does. Outside edge he is wolf sure. I haven't seen him do any actual solving just level 0 calls and pushes.

Michelle I have just like how they've treated me adjacent to you. She could be wolf and you are pocketed by her which is another reason I town read you. Wolves don't pocket wolves and what not. But she hasn't given me bad vibes when she is pushing me its for good reasons.

Nutella is my deep wolf candidate but town till fx

[RondoDimBuckle]

112 - Unknown - Mafia
Alison - Town
Cape90 - Dead - Town
Creature - Town
Dennis - Dead - Town
DrWilgy - Town
Dyslexicon - Town
EnderWiggin - Town
falcon45ca - Town
Golden - Town
Guillotine - Unknown - Mafia
hollowkatt - Unknown - Mafia
ilario - Dead - 3P - MOD SQUAD
inawordyes - Dead - Town
Kate - Unknown - Town
Le petit poussin - Dead - Town
Lilypetal - Town
lucy - Dead - Town
MacDougall - Town
Marmot - Unknown - Mafia
master radishes - Town
Michelle - Town
Neon - Town
nutella - Town
Party Crasher - 3P
Porscha - Town
pyxxy - Dead - Town
RondoDimBuckle - Town
S~V~S - Mafi
sabiplz - Dead - SOUP MAFIA
Scotty - Unknown - Mafia
Seanzie - Mafia
sig - Unknown - Mafia
Sloonei - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Dead Town
Urist - Unknown - Town

@RondoDimBuckle This one?

Yeah but I forgot to fix 112 for mafia for my gth. Not married to them but my d2 reads off gamestate

[RondoDimBuckle]

Now for ender to pretend to still hard scum me with a fake tell to reaction test my response

[MacDougall]

I let what slide?

[EnderWiggin]

Dizzy could have me, sure.

I put them in my second tier for a reason.

First tier I would be actually flabbergasted if they flip red.

Second tier I don't think flip red but I acknowledge I could be wrong.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I let what slide?

Guolli (or was it urist? Pretty sure it was guillotine the kon loving bastard) joined in separately when I was going at you twice and refused to acknowledge that we were both doing it separately at the same time twice. I let it go because it felt like people were attributing it to guillo things

[EnderWiggin]

I dislike that your reads list has literally got "Low hanging/low poster targets" as all your mafia picks.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I dislike that your reads list has literally got "Low hanging/low poster targets" as all your mafia picks.

I like our top posters but there has to be mafia down the bottom. Start with one and evaluate.

I have golden and Nutella as my tunfoils but it's not worth talking about while we're doing good work around me being insane

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hav

[RondoDimBuckle]

Have i snowed you yet?*

[EnderWiggin]

Have i snowed you yet?*

Yes. Full 6 inches.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If I had a gun I think I would shoot Scotty so I hope he visits me tonight

[MacDougall]

I let what slide?

Guolli (or was it urist? Pretty sure it was guillotine the kon loving bastard) joined in separately when I was going at you twice and refused to acknowledge that we were both doing it separately at the same time twice. I let it go because it felt like people were attributing it to guillo things

I don't think I let it slide. I just tried not to overreact.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hey Ender, PERCHANCE? tell

[MacDougall]

Does anyone have a day vig and do me the favor to kill Hollowkatt?

Are you going to be a skipping record all day? because jjj took away the ability to ignore so I gotta figure out if I'm coding my own extension to ignore you or can we coexist

Since when do you threaten to block me because i scum read you, that bravado is not gonna work on me.

Its decidedly unfun to have someone repeatedly shout, over literally a single post, "x is a wolf" and I'm here for a good time.

Basically you're annoying and boring and I don't have time for that

Im sure it is unfun to get correctly scum read off a post like that. What did you think? That it was gonna work again?

Fuck off guillotine. You're being a belligerent bellend and I'm done dealing with you.

NGL rereading this just has me repocketed by HK.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Does anyone have a day vig and do me the favor to kill Hollowkatt?

Are you going to be a skipping record all day? because jjj took away the ability to ignore so I gotta figure out if I'm coding my own extension to ignore you or can we coexist

Since when do you threaten to block me because i scum read you, that bravado is not gonna work on me.

Its decidedly unfun to have someone repeatedly shout, over literally a single post, "x is a wolf" and I'm here for a good time.

Basically you're annoying and boring and I don't have time for that

Im sure it is unfun to get correctly scum read off a post like that. What did you think? That it was gonna work again?

Fuck off guillotine. You're being a belligerent bellend and I'm done dealing with you.

NGL rereading this just has me repocketed by HK.

Hk doesn't get angry at being bad beat?

[MacDougall]

I gotta go but I'm just going to park my vote on golden since any other exe is going to be suboptimal atm

I kinda think with Cape being town and iawy being very likely wolf that Golden was townsiding hard last EOD and am thus inclined to give him space

Golden refused to vote iawy because he was 'afraid of a tie', if iawy is mafia then golden most certainly is as well because that is the lamest damn excuse I've ever heard.
Golden thought cape was 100% town but didn't vote the counter wagon? For real??

someone pin this for tomorrow, or take a shot at golden tonight. should not get lost in the fluff

Would appear neither HK nor Urist anticipated Iawy to flip town. Especially Urist.

[MacDougall]

Hey mac remember when scumDunya neighborized you n1 in MTG, and it was super suspicious because who assumes mac will live through n1? Yeah and then we lost that was really fun

though this is pretty bad given Iawy was not a wolf... trying to stoke my paranoia.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

[MacDougall]

Honestly I still can see Golden being a wolf here independent of IAWY

if I squint I can see a clusterfuck of a world where iawy and mac are both town. mostly I'm on iawy b/c of the whole sabi thing.

[MacDougall]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

I was presently arriving at this thought actually.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Lhf is a lie and mafia use it as a buzzword to pull people off scum that haven't provided content and should die

Change my mind.

[MacDougall]

Are you going to be a skipping record all day? because jjj took away the ability to ignore so I gotta figure out if I'm coding my own extension to ignore you or can we coexist

Since when do you threaten to block me because i scum read you, that bravado is not gonna work on me.

Its decidedly unfun to have someone repeatedly shout, over literally a single post, "x is a wolf" and I'm here for a good time.

Basically you're annoying and boring and I don't have time for that

Im sure it is unfun to get correctly scum read off a post like that. What did you think? That it was gonna work again?

Fuck off guillotine. You're being a belligerent bellend and I'm done dealing with you.

NGL rereading this just has me repocketed by HK.

Hk doesn't get angry at being bad beat?

HK gets angry but usually it's indicative of being town. I'm... quite torn here. His ISO is quite the mixed bag. He was obviously sick but there's actually a lot more meh to bad stuff in it than I thought. His reads are very lazy and overstated. He has more bad than good. He probably needs the hose.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

Then why didn't you vote with me?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Blatant misinfo when I'm 90% I've said something about Dizzy already.

That being said they haven't been in thread with me much so harder to be confident.

Hello, teammate.

Hello friend.

Ender Dizzy W/W confirmed.

*loads gun*

[MacDougall]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Lhf is a lie and mafia use it as a buzzword to pull people off scum that haven't provided content and should die

Change my mind.

Of course LHF is a thing. But you're also right that scum frequently do call their weaker teammates LHF and shade town for pushing them simply because they are. Pushing LHF being scummy or bad is rarely true. There's nuance to when it is and isn't. If the LHF is so because they are being very wolfy well... being critical of someone pushing them is obviously asinine. If they are LHF and that's normal for that person to be so... then critique away. Generally dismissing the work of the contributing players as just pushing the POE is at best bad mafia player and yes very commonly something wolves say. I would suggest they are actually more inclined generally to say it when they know the POE is bad than good though because it's the sort of thing that wolves are weary of putting out there if they're critiquing a POE that's soon to be proven right.

[MacDougall]

Are Lilypetal and EnderWiggin both town?

I need to reevaluate ender after cape flipped v

Overnight I was seriously considering him possible wolf. But I need more content from today before I slam him hard. D1 was mostly theatre with some actual feelings of him being wolf but knowing its mostly how I default to on Ender

I actually just found this post from earlier and frankly it undermines Rondo's explanation for his Ender read entirely. The progression from here to his current read on Ender doesn't track for me.