The Syndicate

I am ok with the time I spent of partner interactions. Can we stop arguing and get wolves. I think this was actually helpful, and leetic will too once they’re no longer top wagon.

Since everyone is apparently too busy being butthurt to give me an LC synopsis, I’ll go read.

Can someone tl;dr the Long Con case for me?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:01 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:58 pm Everywhere I've ever played people fake all the time lol
There are times when you can fake it role madness but doing it in a setup with limited PRs is a very bad idea because if they get outed it's very very bad

Like this is not even a point that is up for debate

We understand your pov.

Continuing to argue it benefits no one. K thx bai.

No it wasn’t wasted.

Quite the opposite.

I’ll revote but I have to reread for this brave new world.

Oh ffs lol.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:42 pm I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1
I don't think it's necessarily softballing to look out for. If leetic has one or more slanking partners I could see him trying to get them in the game by asking them a lot of questions.

And that’s pretty much what happened. He engaged with both of them fairly extensively for their post counts

But he never tried to get anyone else to discuss them, via GTH calls.

This is putting the cart before the horse on my part; Leetic hasn’t flipped. It’s just an interesting observation at this point.

After that post I reread Epi and still feel I would find him civvie, barring the way leetic dealt with him. Nook always reads as his good natured self; he’s a hard read for me.

Several months back, I read an essay someone wrote for another site (I don't recall which) about how to win as a wolf. The gist of it was, "Post alot". I just went looking for it, and did not find it, but I did find this:

There are two basic strategies for werewolves. The first strategy is called as “swindle werewolf”, wherein a werewolf makes himself/herself seem to be a leader of villagers, such as a seer or a medium. The second strategy is called as “stealth werewolf” wherein a werewolf hides himself/herself as one of the villagers.

This is very basic info.

If leetic is town, he should have been NKed last night imo. Full stop. LP was the doctor (not that LP would have protected leetic lol), and with no one to protect them, the baddies want to take that voice out of the thread.

Also, re Abigail. I have seen her be sure she was right about a person, from gut. She NEVER to the best of my knowledge tries to fakeclaim in that situation; she puts on a very confident face and clearly believes it, but she doesn't say she has info. I know this since I am a person she thinks is bad alot

, and she's never done that to me. I've only ever seen her claim when she had info. So if she's saying it, and Dizzys play backs it up to my mind, I'm gonna trust her.

I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1

I just searched his posts for GTH, and went back and counted. I might have missed "what's your thoughts on" or similar verbiage. He never asks anyone for a GTH on Nanook, who he is kinda waffly on. Like beofre this post, he said nanook was scummiest of the scummy low posters, then this,

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:16 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

I do have a feeling of what NANOOK is getting at, and if not, there's always D2 (although I am holding you to your word that you'll actually show then). But LP is always a good use of my vote in this game.

This is also interesting; Delta singles Nanook out from a list leetic had posted, and leetic tries to redirect his attention to Jack.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:43 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:40 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:38 pm @Delta @Thunal33 You're both here, please break this inertia between me and Roxy before I lose my mind
I'm working on my readslist but if you wanna talk, what's up?
Out of the people not voting (which I listed at 528), are there any names that stand out to you?
Nanook I am kinda curious about because he had a pretty solid moment of posting so I am interested about that not being followed up with a vote ?_? aside from that I cant really say anyone stands out specifically for not voting
Do you have any thoughts on Jack's vote?

leetic also never called for a GTH on Epignosis, although he had some spirited back and forth with him, called him a "nothing burger" and voted for him at one point. So not sure what, if anything, any of this means, but it's 10 minutes I'll never get back. But he did try and start active discussion on every other player except Nanook and Epignosis, so

Something to keep in mind, I guess, if leetic flips bad as I think he will. But it could also be a nothing burger heh.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:44 pm Like seriously it was the easiest choice of my mafia career

What do you do when you sub in to a cop slot in the night with no info?

Cop the extremely loud voice

Oh look red lol

Will anyone listen to me over the 300 poster who's gonna bury my claim though?

I've seen you do this before, with Jay in the Hungry game. I believe you; if you were bad and you wanted him dead so much that you would make a loud fakeclaim to achieve it, you would have just killed him last night, especially after the doc died. And this is exactly what I would have done as cop, too.

Plus in retrospect, Dizzy was playing a cagey game. Involved, keeping up, but not drawing much attention to himself, or making any hard suspicions that could get him NK before he copped someone.

I still will reread the thread this afternoon in order, but I'll trust Abigail here, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"
Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.
How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.
Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.
The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed
lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

Ooooh, I see. Cop claim, is it?

Well, if I were cop, I would have checked leetic night one too, especially if I didn't have any strong suspects. I'd want to be sure the person who was trying so aggressively to run the thread had the towns best interests at heart. Makes sense to me.

I'll read Abigail in iso first I guess.

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:27 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:35 pm Slank cover

Like a can of beans spilt at a picnic onto the towel
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm
I agree with you

Which is probably a form of bandwagon fallacy
Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:37 pm

CA-CAW
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm

ca-caw
Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first
First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm

Oooh I like this route

Preferred alignment? I guess town. Usually like one step above vanilla, like a low grade info role. Including this one I think I am at 19 straight town rolls so I don’t even remember what it’s like to be bad

Yes, I post a lot but slank cover this game

I have a terrible memory- I’ve played with everyone but you I think. Yea, I think I played with leetic before but can’t remember the details.
Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 am Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.
Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:24 pm

Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those
Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean
Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.
leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.
@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.

I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.

I’m comfortable with it.
Why Scotty over LP, if you don't mind me askin'?
I feel more connection to a Scotty vote; other than making only one post I found the argument on LP a bit esoteric. They have enough votes without me, so I went with the one I personally feel connected with.

When I first saw Pyxxys post saying I could be expected to fill the role you are, I was like noooo I don’t have the energy. But your level of committment to trying to get people to vote for the person you most suspect definitely reminds me of me when I get a good iron in the fire.

I will try my best to pop in after my interview (from the parking lot) and if it looks like LP may be being saved I’ll sheep your LP vote.
The last sentence suggests that you may have shown up at EoD yesterday, did you and if so did you still feel confident in your Scotty vote? Why didn't you switch to LP if you had the chance?

I didn't have the chance; my interview ran over (I got the job!!) but tbh, I likely would not have changed my vote. As I said yesterday the case on LP was meh to me, it seemed to be based on things that happened out of this game (which was my meaning by "esoteric"), or even this forum as far as I could tell, and on being sus of you. I wasn't rock solid sure that I thought Scotty was bad, but I had more feels about him than LP, or anyone else with votes. In retrospect, I was obvs wrong, but I'm at peace with how I voted.

I have only caught up to my @'s and the host post. TBH I expected leetic to be NKed, especially with LP having been the Doc. Is that why they have so many votes?

Sorry I was AWOL, I had a family thing last night (and will have another tomorrow, I have lotsa sibs and most of them were fall babies) and I have a few errands and a vet appointment this AM, but will be around all PM today to catch up.

Welcome ☆Princess Abigail☆ (can someone tell me how to @ her with that symbol in her name?) you already have more posts than me lol.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:35 pm Slank cover

Like a can of beans spilt at a picnic onto the towel
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:07 pm I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.
Gambler's fallacy
I agree with you

Which is probably a form of bandwagon fallacy
Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
CA-CAW
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for getting ninja'd
ca-caw
Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:38 pm

Yep ;_;

I'm hovering a little but also I'm p tired so might just leave things here D: though not too ideal since I don't really want to miss most of the icebreaker stuff
Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first
First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them
Oooh I like this route

Preferred alignment? I guess town. Usually like one step above vanilla, like a low grade info role. Including this one I think I am at 19 straight town rolls so I don’t even remember what it’s like to be bad

Yes, I post a lot but slank cover this game

I have a terrible memory- I’ve played with everyone but you I think. Yea, I think I played with leetic before but can’t remember the details.
Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 am Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.
Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?
Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those
Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean
Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.
leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.
@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.

I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.

I’m comfortable with it.
Why Scotty over LP, if you don't mind me askin'?

I feel more connection to a Scotty vote; other than making only one post I found the argument on LP a bit esoteric. They have enough votes without me, so I went with the one I personally feel connected with.

When I first saw Pyxxys post saying I could be expected to fill the role you are, I was like noooo I don’t have the energy. But your level of committment to trying to get people to vote for the person you most suspect definitely reminds me of me when I get a good iron in the fire.

I will try my best to pop in after my interview (from the parking lot) and if it looks like LP may be being saved I’ll sheep your LP vote.

Delta wrote 197

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:35 pm Slank cover

Like a can of beans spilt at a picnic onto the towel
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:07 pm I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.
Gambler's fallacy
I agree with you

Which is probably a form of bandwagon fallacy
Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
CA-CAW
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for getting ninja'd
ca-caw
Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Yep ;_;

I'm hovering a little but also I'm p tired so might just leave things here D: though not too ideal since I don't really want to miss most of the icebreaker stuff
Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first
First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them
Oooh I like this route

Preferred alignment? I guess town. Usually like one step above vanilla, like a low grade info role. Including this one I think I am at 19 straight town rolls so I don’t even remember what it’s like to be bad

Yes, I post a lot but slank cover this game

I have a terrible memory- I’ve played with everyone but you I think. Yea, I think I played with leetic before but can’t remember the details.
Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things
Would you say he's GTH town or scum?
I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 am Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.
Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?
Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those
Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean
Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.
leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.

@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.

I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.

I’m comfortable with it.

Ok I just searched Sean’s posts for Scotty, and it looks like his vote is a reactionary kinda No U thing with Seans questions. And tied back into his pushing at Leetic.

I’ve talked myself into [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine.

I’ll try to pop in again and see if there is any more movement or smoking guns or whatever.

Linki @leetic no I have no personal insight into it. His last few posts are starting to sound a bit frustrated, but otherwise

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:21 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
This is Scotty’s last post. He said he had irl. My concern is that in Epis Hungry game, he was camping and had very iffy signal and lots of outdoor activities planned with other people, but he still managed to show up.

As I said before, he gets yeeted a lot day one and he’s never bad.

I could vote there, but every time I talked myself into voting him in the past I was wrong. Gah.
Do you have any insight into Scotty's vote that you quoted?

No I don’t. Prior to this he had made a few weak feints st Delta (hmmm) and put somewhat more effort into you.

You’re just like the Spanish Inquisition. Except everyone prolly expects you to show up whenever they post.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:12 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:55 pm LP, SVS, Wilgy, NANOOK, pixxy, and Roxy are the ones who have yet to vote. Of this list, @S~V~S stands out as having the most substantive ISO; why haven't you voted yet?
On day one I don’t like to vote early unless I have a strong feel on someone. I don’t vote early but I also don’t miss votes.

If I don’t have a strong feel of my own I will generally sheep the wagon I trust the voters on the most so long as the person being voted isn’t a town read of mine.

I’m getting in thread time now since I prolly won’t be around EOD.
If end of phase was in two minutes, who would you vote?

Well it’s not, but for me I’d like to vote within an hour. I may be able to pop in the last half hour or so if day, but I’m not sure of it.

But right this sec, prolly either LP because I feel townish about several of their voters. Or Scotty because of what I said up there. I’ve never seen him bad and I know he doesn’t enjoy it. And I also liked Sean’s points about his reasons for not voting for Delta. My thoughts of the three people involved in that theory would be based on one of them flipping. Of the three I think Scotty has the most traction for a wagon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

This is Scotty’s last post. He said he had irl. My concern is that in Epis Hungry game, he was camping and had very iffy signal and lots of outdoor activities planned with other people, but he still managed to show up.

As I said before, he gets yeeted a lot day one and he’s never bad.

I could vote there, but every time I talked myself into voting him in the past I was wrong. Gah.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:55 pm LP, SVS, Wilgy, NANOOK, pixxy, and Roxy are the ones who have yet to vote. Of this list, @S~V~S stands out as having the most substantive ISO; why haven't you voted yet?

On day one I don’t like to vote early unless I have a strong feel on someone. I don’t vote early but I also don’t miss votes.

If I don’t have a strong feel of my own I will generally sheep the wagon I trust the voters on the most so long as the person being voted isn’t a town read of mine.

I’m getting in thread time now since I prolly won’t be around EOD.

GTH, Wilgy is a Doctor

I have to get ready for work, I spent my AM Mafia time replying to @'s. I will have more time to finish catching up today than I did yesterday, so I am confident i can make an informed vote from work.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:10 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:44 pm I agree with Dizzy that this is fairly par for the course for town Roxy. And the more she is pushed to post, the less she will, and town Roxys insights are very nuanced and valuable. She sees things that others often miss, small nuances.

Much as one thinks their own playstyle is the best, trying to force others to play that way is not always for the best. One may find oneself howling into the wilderness alone.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I lean town on Epi, Sean, Dizzy (he made me laugh and he seems so reasonable... famous last words ) but that could be becasue I am tending to like his attitude here. I lean town on Delta and Roxy, also pyxxy. I liked his post with the clips of the player lists, it took me a sec to get the point, but it was a good one. I find myself not really agreeing with Delta, but he feels sincere to me, like he's believing what he says.

I need to sort Scotty, Thunal, Long Con and Wilgy for my own sanity. On thread alone, I would lean town on Thunal, but after how thoroughly she bamboozled me last game, she's definitely not in my trustfall zone lol. I am conflicted on leetic, but GTH would slot him town. Everyone else is ... the Gray Zone. Greige. Taupe.

I have to go walk the dog and eat dinner. Should be back and will prolly vote before work in the AM; I have a job interview after work that I've been working towards for some time, and I won't be here for EOD. Unless I win the billions, then I'm never going to work again, or to that interview.
Why do you townlean me?

We had a conversation in some spec chat or another. You know I have problems reading you, so I try to pay alot of attention to you. You stand out less to me when you're bad, I think. When you're town, I notice you more.

A couple of reasons. First, it's my feel that you're just a tiny bit softer when you're bad. You still want to be you, but you also don't want to be scrutinized too hard. I am not seeing that here. Your reply to me was just a tiny bit snarky, just a tiny bit. I don't see you doing so, why aggravate someone for no reason if you're bad? There's no profit in it.

The other reason is that when I made that point to you about a conversation you had with Thunal, when you replied to me, you seem to have misconstrued my point. I don't see you doing that if bad.

I spoilered this cause it was getting too big, visually.

Spoiler: show

In Wilgys game, the two of you were back and forth with each other. I have found that when I was bad and faux cased a townie, my focus on finding flaw in their town game to use it against them in that game, led me to have a really good grip on their town game the next game we played together. Are you seeing contrasts between his town game *there* and his game here from that perspective?

Spoiler: show

Do we have an eyebrow raised emoji? It's a read, not a cut in stone, "I'll live or die by this!" declaration. This post, though, took the edge off the strength of my conviction, tbh.

Spoiler: show

I absolutely missed that, I will have to go back and reread. I was too focused on her reaction to being pushed and poked as I know that is her least favorite thing. I was following tone not content. But yeah, that was an odd interpretation of that nicety. I mean, we're a blended community, if we didn't vote for people we never played with before some games we would have a big problem.

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:35 pm Slank cover

Like a can of beans spilt at a picnic onto the towel
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:07 pm I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.
Gambler's fallacy
I agree with you

Which is probably a form of bandwagon fallacy
Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
CA-CAW
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for getting ninja'd
ca-caw
Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Yep ;_;

I'm hovering a little but also I'm p tired so might just leave things here D: though not too ideal since I don't really want to miss most of the icebreaker stuff
Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first
First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them
Oooh I like this route

Preferred alignment? I guess town. Usually like one step above vanilla, like a low grade info role. Including this one I think I am at 19 straight town rolls so I don’t even remember what it’s like to be bad

Yes, I post a lot but slank cover this game

I have a terrible memory- I’ve played with everyone but you I think. Yea, I think I played with leetic before but can’t remember the details.
Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm

Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things
Would you say he's GTH town or scum?
I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 am Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.
Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?
Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those
Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean
Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.

leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.

I agree with Dizzy that this is fairly par for the course for town Roxy. And the more she is pushed to post, the less she will, and town Roxys insights are very nuanced and valuable. She sees things that others often miss, small nuances.

Much as one thinks their own playstyle is the best, trying to force others to play that way is not always for the best. One may find oneself howling into the wilderness alone.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I lean town on Epi, Sean, Dizzy (he made me laugh and he seems so reasonable... famous last words ) but that could be becasue I am tending to like his attitude here. I lean town on Delta and Roxy, also pyxxy. I liked his post with the clips of the player lists, it took me a sec to get the point, but it was a good one. I find myself not really agreeing with Delta, but he feels sincere to me, like he's believing what he says.

I need to sort Scotty, Thunal, Long Con and Wilgy for my own sanity. On thread alone, I would lean town on Thunal, but after how thoroughly she bamboozled me last game, she's definitely not in my trustfall zone lol. I am conflicted on leetic, but GTH would slot him town. Everyone else is ... the Gray Zone. Greige. Taupe.

I have to go walk the dog and eat dinner. Should be back and will prolly vote before work in the AM; I have a job interview after work that I've been working towards for some time, and I won't be here for EOD. Unless I win the billions, then I'm never going to work again, or to that interview.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:09 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:01 pm Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.
I've been here for years (on and off admittedly) and never knew that was a thing.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.
It's mainly that those kinds of conversations are easy to fake for w/w or w/t since you can make it look like you're doing something without really making reads or interacting with many players. It's not wolf-indicative in isolation, but looking at the greater context of someone's posts it can be

Re the first part, it was from the founders home culture, we kept it up for some years, but when we started bringing people in from other sites, it was a nicety that fell to the wayside for the most part. But I know that Scotty does adhere to it, as do I tbh. Or not NKing/yeeting replacements. It's not a "rule", just a nicety. Fluff, if you will.

And I take more value from one/one convos than GTH reads on day one, before any yeets or NK's. Get people talking, you can draw them out. But to each their own. If you suspect me for how I play, vote for me.

Now stop distracting me from my orderly catch up!

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:43 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:32 pm I won't be giving out GTH reads on command at this point. In any case, I haven't read most of the thread.
You felt the need to comment on the Delta/Scotty interaction, yet don't actually have any actual thoughts on it. Lame
Fine.

I do have an educated guess on Scotty as town. I did read his posts, cause I was curious. I don't think he's wolfy at all. He's Scotty.

Delta, I don't have thoughts on. I haven't read most of his posts. I don't understand what he's trying to say about Scotty. Something something self awareness or entrance. Might just try to make something happen. I don't know. Very cute though.
Yeah I. Dont think you understood me, no. I haven't mentioned Scotty being self aware? x_x

What I dislike ab his entrance is the weird pushback on Leetic trying to kick things off and found it a little odd, though it feels a little weak.

I pushed back, too. I find people trying to steer the thread ... I won't say wolfy, but in my home culture, steering was a wolf tell. I no longer find it that way, but i do find someone barking orders at me to be distracting.

I haven't seen anything yet to make me agree on you re Scotty, but from where I'm at right now (page 4ish), you continuing to stick to your own reads is a good look for you, especially in the face of some pushback to them.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:18 pm I see most everyone has bean slanking. Pretty chili

I also likely won't get inspired lentil later.

OK, you made me laugh, and with the srs bsns tone we've got going on, I needed that.

Also we need a "fluff" emoji.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean

Can you tell me why you suspect him? Because I'm missing it.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

pedit, linki @leetic

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:56 pm @leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

This. Alot of poking and bossing but not much in the way of reads for the top poster (and if they made reads today, I haven't gotten to them yet, I'm reading from where I left off this AM).

Linki sorry if you find me 'inane'. And it is a discussion, not an argument.

And I don't have to redeem myself to anyone, thank you kindly

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:13 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:50 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:41 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:32 pm
Why?
Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.
Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?
Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.
See, and here I thought it was quite a clever way to say "yeah, but why is Delta scum?"...

Yeah, but why is Delta scum?
This is your last post, but the poll says you voted for Delta. I be confuzzled?
At this stage of the game, I am more concerned with pushing people to generate content than I am with having people vote with me. Also, I am always wary of people who agree with me - if there is scum piggybacking on a push I make, I want to know sooner rather than later.

Still confuzzled, I wasn't talking about who voted with you. Your last post and your vote post didn't seem to go together, it seemed like a disconnect. But I could be reading into it.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:02 am Though I am curious @S~V~S, do you think Scotty plays scummy as town normally? Since you talked about always seeming to tunnel him when in games together

I tend to read him that way, yeah, or to be more precise, I have problems finding him town. Last game we played I found him town pretty early, though. In a recent game, though, we civ/civ death spiraled Day One. And due to the nature of the set up we kinda toasted town somewhat. So I don’t like gut reading him tbh.

I haven’t seen enough from him yet to even understand why he’s taking suspish. Can this be summarized for me, or is it just a tone thing?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:49 pm Delta is scum. Leetic is town. Dizzy is Dizzy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Oh, I see. You voted for him in your second post. Did you mean this, or is it a joke vote? I remain confuzzled.

Gotta go get ready for work, rough day today, may not be here till tonight bbl.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:41 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:29 pm Delta is mafia.
Why?
Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.
Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?
Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.
See, and here I thought it was quite a clever way to say "yeah, but why is Delta scum?"...

Yeah, but why is Delta scum?

This is your last post, but the poll says you voted for Delta. I be confuzzled?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:41 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:29 pm Delta is mafia.
Why?
Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.
Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?
Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

@leetic , Imma make a GTH/cold read

I think Epi is town. I don't know that I agree with him, but his tone is "IDGAF" and he thinks more about how he sounds when he's bad, imo.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Yep ;_;

I'm hovering a little but also I'm p tired so might just leave things here D: though not too ideal since I don't really want to miss most of the icebreaker stuff
Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first

QFT

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:03 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:02 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:55 pm Delta seems a bit acquiescent and less assertive than I would normally expect from town. That said, they're the only other person who's participating at the moment
Everyone is an individual.
GTH on Delta and Scotty?

No. I don't find that GTH reads are ultra useful for me with no content. It's basically guesses. I prefer more nuance especially on page one, lol.

Like I said earlier, Scotty takes a lot of suspish early in most games, and goes down day one or two alot. I have never (in recent history) seen Scotty bad, and every game I think, "This is it!", and it never is. Scotty and I have gone down in death spirals together when we both are town, and I prefer to let him develop.

My only experience with Delta was an embarrassing one for me, I opened up a spoiled chat as a mod, and the game had to be reranded. I didn't pay much attention to the gameplay after that, just the tone.

Is trying to generate discussion in a positive way a bad look for him specifically? I find that people let their guards down a bit more with positive ploys like that than with more aggressive ones. You get more flies with honey and all that. I personally get better reads that way.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:10 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:58 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?
Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.
Boo, I want snap reads.
You're scum.
OMGUS
How so?

This is interesting. I thought her

post was a joke, being as she said you were one of the people she knew best. The way you came in, agreeing with her likelihood opener, and you two were a bit bantery, this almost feels a tad like distancing to me. Only a tad, and I could be reading into it. But that was how it felt on first read. It could also be I am a bit paranoid of you both, Especially Thunal, she fooled me big time in Wilgys ES game.

Re her opener, I looked back to the last two games I played with Thunal, one of each alignment, and her openers there were fairly generic, nothing like here, so I wouldn't think that that is a tell for her.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:55 pm Delta seems a bit acquiescent and less assertive than I would normally expect from town. That said, they're the only other person who's participating at the moment

Everyone is an individual.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

*I used to prefer being wolf, but that was when most of our games were multiball. Now I like the challenge of third party.

*I do not hyper post, but I do tend to post several posts in a row at times. I’m usually middle of the pack. But I do tend to walls.

* I’ve played with most people here some more than others. Like Long Con and Roxy, I first played with them 13 or more years ago. You I think I’ve modded a game you played, but don’t specifically recall playing with you. Leetics name is familiar to me, but if we played together it’s been a long time.

And hi Leetic. I think Scotty gets planked a lot day one for his style.

I have a music thing in Discord, bbl.

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