The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:11 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:01 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.

I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.

ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:26 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.

Tutuu is sus, Dennis is stiff as a board, Epi seems towny, Dubz seems towny, Kate seems towny, Thunal seems towny

Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?

These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.

I generally think being disconnected on an island is town indicative do you not?

Not necessarily in this setup.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:01 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:40 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:37 pm I believed myself to literally bet my entire mafia "career" on my read and I caved anyways.

So surely I'm allowed to be a brooding whiny bitch about myself. That's about myself but you.

But I'm not trying to piss you off I want to play mafia without feeling like every time I approach you I have to walk delicately across a sea of unhatched eggs or be the murderer of 1000 baby duckies

I'm not asking for you to do that I'm asking for you to stop replying to every post I make dunking on me because I can't solve that way and it leads to this.

I'm not dunking on you. Well maybe once. But for the most part I just want to fucking work with you Mac your literally my fucking idol in this stupid game ffs.

But I'm not the player that's going to like stop trying to move votes

You're one of my besties in mafia and I'd never try to upset you on purpose k.

I don't want to work with you today. I want you to have reads and engage with other people. I want you to find your own reads and lead. I don't want you to have to come to a point where you have two townreads wagoned and have to vote one begrudgingly. And I don't want you to react to my play. This isn't cuz I hate you or whatever. It's because we are tilting each other and it's choking the gamestate.

Optimally yesterday's Porscha c/w would have been your top wolf. Let's try to make today's wagons Mac and Zenon's top wolfread. Or preferably our top wolfreads. And see where we get to.

I have your list. I won't run up a townread of yours.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.

I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.

ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:26 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.

Tutuu is sus, Dennis is stiff as a board, Epi seems towny, Dubz seems towny, Kate seems towny, Thunal seems towny

Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?

These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:49 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:46 pm Actually the real conclusion is Mac is town or we are both wolves but meh

Or I'm getting toyed with like that other game ib just played where a wolf made me genuinely feel bad about my play and abused my emotions. But since I do not think Mac would do that I'm locking him town for eternity so move.

This is so unfair. I am not abusing your emotions at all. I am trying hard to juggle my own volatility while achieving a reasonable outcome for both of us while not upsetting you. It's just too hard.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:47 pm That's fine.

Please stop swearing at me.

I want to solve the game and ask people questions. Explain myself and make reads.

Every time I do this you have interjected to "playfully" dunk on me.

It isn't working for me.

So either I just give up and go belly up or try to resolve that.

I initially tried to resolve it by asking you to elaborate on reads, which is already hard because your choices put me immediately on tilt, but when your answers don't satisfy me and I tell you then YOU go on tilt.

So that doesn't work for me either.

So next stop is trying to get you to let me play the game without you interjecting. I just woke up so the game has had 8 hrs of not Mac at least. I think asking for some space to play for a but isn't that harsh.

But that tilts you also.

I have things to do this morning so I'm going to leave again now. But I'd very much like some time to just play the mafia game the way I need to before eod.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:40 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:37 pm I believed myself to literally bet my entire mafia "career" on my read and I caved anyways.

So surely I'm allowed to be a brooding whiny bitch about myself. That's about myself but you.

But I'm not trying to piss you off I want to play mafia without feeling like every time I approach you I have to walk delicately across a sea of unhatched eggs or be the murderer of 1000 baby duckies

I'm not asking for you to do that I'm asking for you to stop replying to every post I make dunking on me because I can't solve that way and it leads to this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:38 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:33 pm I wanted to work with you on porscha it felt literally fucking impossible

I tried to engage you it felt like what I said didn't matter and eventually you essentially told me to fmpov shut up and leave the thread.

I didn't want to shut up and leave the thread I wanted to show you why you were wrong but nothing I said was going to convince you and eventually I did what I do every fucking mafia game and caved.

The correct answer is have your read, vote elsewhere, let me have mine and vote where I want and agree to disagree.

Your attempts to persuade me were ineffective because I was confident and your reasoning was articulated like "sure but this is also what Porscha as town looks like sometimes" which simply didn't persuade me.

There's not much to gain from rehashing this. I wasn't tunneling and I specifically tried to get you to just trust your own read like I was playing your conscience and prosecuting my own read. It's not easy trying to play chess with myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:35 pm To say I haven't shown humility about the miselim is also wrong. I'm being respectful to the town and the game by not letting it disaffect my desire to solve it and I refuse to play it that way. So I haven't self flagellated and postured about how very sorry I am.

Well I'm not. I stand by my process and it turned out wrong. That's mafia and I refuse to feel bad about being wrong. It's okay to be wrong in a mafia game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:23 pm Oh BTW assuming DubZ likes gifts you should speak to her she's got trips voting power.

Toodles

You aren't allowed to out info like this in this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:22 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:22 pm I'm not engaging you anymore go solve the game

Okay

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:07 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:24 pm im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Let's start with not miselimming me and then move into finding a bad slot to kill.

We have two lims. We have information. I have the time and the motivation. This is not doomed.

Okay let's solve the game than but you didn't want to do that you wanted to kill without exploration and that bothers me Mac.

That's not what I suggested.

I just want to find the wolfy slots and kill them.

That's called mafia.

As opposed to find the wolfy slots and rationalise their actions as twbtbw so we can townread them.

It was a semantic discussion.

Twtbaw literally doesn't exist

However misguided town acting wolfy does exist.

And if you insist Porscha was being wolfy than I insist that I'm right and we shouldn't just murder anyone for their wolfiness

We should explore. That's mafia.

I'd like to stop engaging with you. I don't feel like you're helping me at all and you're treating me in bad faith.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:14 pm Pretty much my experience this game so far is this.

Mac: Exists
Zenon: Your read is wrong and bad but I'm going to sheep it while self hating and then on day 2 I'm going to let you take the hit for it with more self loathing. While you're present I'm going to pretend to be sympathetic and work with you but every read you make I'll disagree with, even if I agree (Rondo, Epi) and then when you're not around I'll agree with those pushing you and vote you.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:20 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:42 am
Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy

wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.

I was the towniest player on day 1 and it's not even close. My effort to solve outstripped everyone's several fold. So I'm being pushed for:

Suspecting Michelle who has yet to flip.
Miselimmimg Porscha.
Seemingly some suspicion is also coming my way for trying to push Rondo and Epi as potential Doom killers.

Firstly

What wolf proactively miselims a townie they proclaim to have a godread on in a way that generates nearly half the playerlist sheeping? Anyone familiar with my wolf play would know that I am not that player. Anyone familiar with my town play knows that persuading half the game to kill a town day 1 is squarely in my town range. So let's assume I as mafia or nefarious 3p decided in this of all games that making myself the largest possible target immediately was optimal wolf play...

I clearly believed my case or nobody would have been persuaded by it. I wouldn't have bothered making a case persuasive enough because what is the net benefit? Why do I double down on Porscha when others are telling me not to? Why even sus her to begin with when she omgusses me and easy to pocket by townreading her? To get her over? Why do I care about any specific player? If I needed a miselim in this game I just need to live. I'm at best independent at least on day 1. Survival is all that matters. Do you really think I need to create a miselim? Tutuu, Doom and more all appeared as wagons... I would have no idea of their alignment so why would I even fight their chops?

Nanook's assessment here is egregious for exactly him. I don't blame anyone else for misreading me. But if my sin is getting wrongly convinced I found a wolf on day 1 and getting them over then I'm guilty. Now tell me since when is mafia as simple as flipping the person who miselims the town day 1?

If you were solo mafia in this game on day 1. Or one of the 3ps. What would your day 1 play be? To pick the player people are most likely to scumread you for pushing and then build a case good enough to kill them so you can get the blame? Is that what you'd do?

I think your Porscha read and case was genuine regardless of your alignment. I'm not debating that. But scum can genuinely solve too, and while you did have towny posts (one example is you talking about probability and having a back and forth with Zenon about getting the level 1 wolfy slots out) I don't think you having towny posts means you're town because it's you and you can fake a lot. Tbh I don't think I'll end the day with my vote on you and why it's still on you is because I'm looking through the rest of my PoE to find someone I'm confident in voting and I haven't gotten there yet.

I thought about the level 1 vs not level 1 thing I mentioned earlier and ultimately I'm not confident you're scum because no offense but if you're scum you aren't playing well. Your plan would be to start by openwolfing, get early heat and respond by pushing slots known for OMGUS, then spearhead a risky d1 elimination to hit what you think is a scum but would be a huge negative if she weren't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:10 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:20 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm

wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.

I was the towniest player on day 1 and it's not even close. My effort to solve outstripped everyone's several fold. So I'm being pushed for:

Suspecting Michelle who has yet to flip.
Miselimmimg Porscha.
Seemingly some suspicion is also coming my way for trying to push Rondo and Epi as potential Doom killers.

Firstly

What wolf proactively miselims a townie they proclaim to have a godread on in a way that generates nearly half the playerlist sheeping? Anyone familiar with my wolf play would know that I am not that player. Anyone familiar with my town play knows that persuading half the game to kill a town day 1 is squarely in my town range. So let's assume I as mafia or nefarious 3p decided in this of all games that making myself the largest possible target immediately was optimal wolf play...

I clearly believed my case or nobody would have been persuaded by it. I wouldn't have bothered making a case persuasive enough because what is the net benefit? Why do I double down on Porscha when others are telling me not to? Why even sus her to begin with when she omgusses me and easy to pocket by townreading her? To get her over? Why do I care about any specific player? If I needed a miselim in this game I just need to live. I'm at best independent at least on day 1. Survival is all that matters. Do you really think I need to create a miselim? Tutuu, Doom and more all appeared as wagons... I would have no idea of their alignment so why would I even fight their chops?

Nanook's assessment here is egregious for exactly him. I don't blame anyone else for misreading me. But if my sin is getting wrongly convinced I found a wolf on day 1 and getting them over then I'm guilty. Now tell me since when is mafia as simple as flipping the person who miselims the town day 1?

If you were solo mafia in this game on day 1. Or one of the 3ps. What would your day 1 play be? To pick the player people are most likely to scumread you for pushing and then build a case good enough to kill them so you can get the blame? Is that what you'd do?

Doom was townier

This is opportunistic and antagonistic to a slot trying to dig themselves out of the poe who is being pushed by a range of players. I am reading this as you trying to tilt me into malding so that I spend more time being toxic and angry than solving the game. Why do that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:08 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:07 pmNook is town

I have never seen anyone in a game confidently make this read. Explain it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:07 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:24 pm im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Let's start with not miselimming me and then move into finding a bad slot to kill.

We have two lims. We have information. I have the time and the motivation. This is not doomed.

Okay let's solve the game than but you didn't want to do that you wanted to kill without exploration and that bothers me Mac.

That's not what I suggested.

I just want to find the wolfy slots and kill them.

That's called mafia.

As opposed to find the wolfy slots and rationalise their actions as twbtbw so we can townread them.

It was a semantic discussion.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:05 pm Aaa noooo zenon chan i was just kidding pls don't tell him he gonna beat my ass

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:24 pm im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Let's start with not miselimming me and then move into finding a bad slot to kill.

We have two lims. We have information. I have the time and the motivation. This is not doomed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:59 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:24 pm im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Can you give me the rundown of why you townread Mac? I'm getting a little concerned my Mac read is like my experience with Dyslexicon. With Dizzy if I think I caught him early game, he's town. The level 1 is that Mac isn't town and I still stand by that he was forcing his d1 reads to happen quickly instead of letting them happen naturally. However I have doubts about Mac's play being level 1. If Mac is scum he wouldn't be playing to his usual level of play and he'd be failing at avoiding suspicion.

I think hes town coz he got emotional and coz he audibly convinced ppl to vote for someone who ended up town which ended up hurting his survival chances

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:20 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:42 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:14 am Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl

Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy

wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.

I was the towniest player on day 1 and it's not even close. My effort to solve outstripped everyone's several fold. So I'm being pushed for:

Suspecting Michelle who has yet to flip.
Miselimmimg Porscha.
Seemingly some suspicion is also coming my way for trying to push Rondo and Epi as potential Doom killers.

Firstly

What wolf proactively miselims a townie they proclaim to have a godread on in a way that generates nearly half the playerlist sheeping? Anyone familiar with my wolf play would know that I am not that player. Anyone familiar with my town play knows that persuading half the game to kill a town day 1 is squarely in my town range. So let's assume I as mafia or nefarious 3p decided in this of all games that making myself the largest possible target immediately was optimal wolf play...

I clearly believed my case or nobody would have been persuaded by it. I wouldn't have bothered making a case persuasive enough because what is the net benefit? Why do I double down on Porscha when others are telling me not to? Why even sus her to begin with when she omgusses me and easy to pocket by townreading her? To get her over? Why do I care about any specific player? If I needed a miselim in this game I just need to live. I'm at best independent at least on day 1. Survival is all that matters. Do you really think I need to create a miselim? Tutuu, Doom and more all appeared as wagons... I would have no idea of their alignment so why would I even fight their chops?

Nanook's assessment here is egregious for exactly him. I don't blame anyone else for misreading me. But if my sin is getting wrongly convinced I found a wolf on day 1 and getting them over then I'm guilty. Now tell me since when is mafia as simple as flipping the person who miselims the town day 1?

If you were solo mafia in this game on day 1. Or one of the 3ps. What would your day 1 play be? To pick the player people are most likely to scumread you for pushing and then build a case good enough to kill them so you can get the blame? Is that what you'd do?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:56 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:30 pm It's boring trying to be a tease when you get ignored.

Whaaaa didnt i respond to everything queen?

Also u should break up with ur bf

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:48 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:44 pm


1 st point. This game is wacky. I think it's entirely possible that the game was set up with information but without communication. The wolves strength against the town is typically knowledge to contend against the towns numbers. If the baddies have no knowledge, they have no advantage.

Re your first point, it's a fair one. I'm surprised I didn't think of it myself.

This game is very reminiscent of Goldens BSG game, started with a solo baddie with no info who had to find teammates. This was after you'd stopped playing for a time. In that game, that was me. Not a role I'd like again, my condolences to Doe.

The recruitable baddies didn't even know they were bad, iirc. That was a great joy when one of them turned out to be Glorfindel who hated being bad so much that he refused to be recruited.

In any case, I lost that game, and I'm still salty over it. There was no chance I could win that one with out any info at all. Although I did build a lasting friendship with G Man, so that was a win.

So yeah, an informed minority is the basis of Mafia. I can't imagine Scotty would leave that element out of his set up, so maybe it was a slip on Wilgys part. Hard to say, Wilgy is one of those people who blooms late in the game. That little lashout I saw him do is something i've only seen when he was town, but I haven't seen all of his games.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

No. But I do think it's extremely beneficial to town wincon to have a town Mac .

While I also value your opinion, especially here, you seem to have a better grip on Mac overall than I, this was aimed at Tutuu. She made a (from my POV) somewhat melodramatic post about how town was doomed if we misyeeted Mac. I was responding to that, but then someone posted in between.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:47 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:15 pmVote: Maccas

Great. So much for towncoring.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:15 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:12 pm Oh well in that case we need to murder Tutuu but they like kinda cute so I don't wanna