The Syndicate

Setup was great IMO, felt like it was decently balanced the vengeful kill helps balance the cop.

Amazing game Dunya!

GGs everyone!

Spoiler: show

@Master Radishes

No problem either it was probably legit you did that I just got mad nervous.

I feel like I went into halftime with a 30 point lead and I won by 1 point in the end.

Ugh I hate you

KEEP YOUR VOTE ON SEANZIE

@Master Radishes

GET BACK HERE AND VOTE SEAN!

@Master Radishes

Come the fuck on dude. Come back and vote Seanzie. It's a town win stop over thinking it.

I think they're both actually gone which this just ends up randing.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:44 pm I don’t know what to say to this

Just stay on Seanzie please.

@Master Radishes

Get back in here and vote Sean please.

Oh my god if I fucking lose this because you decide to not take responsibility and let it fucking rand I swear.

Dude go back, don't let it rand just vote Seanzie.

@Master Radishes

No don't do that.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:08 pm What if we're all town
You would've loved SamP4Palmer if you were from EpicMafia.
But then I'd have to be from EM.

That's both a good thing and a bad thing.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:12 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:09 pm One guy has had a strong presence throughout and has tried to put town in the correct direction and most of the actions he's done have been pro-town.

The other guy had next to no presence and his main push was on FS who is green checked.

Macro level read will help.
"I've put in more work and deserve to win."

Technically that too.

Look at the adjective - "play" - we ain't here to play actions both of us had made throughout the game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:08 pm What if we're all town

You would've loved SamP4Palmer if you were from EpicMafia.

One guy has had a strong presence throughout and has tried to put town in the correct direction and most of the actions he's done have been pro-town.

The other guy had next to no presence and his main push was on FS who is green checked.

Macro level read will help.

It's obvious if you look at the entire game itself.

I'm vanilla town idk if I'm allowed to do anything yet without getting myself in trouble.

If you're locking your vote then I can go to sleep though.

You made the right choice.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:53 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:51 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:49 am So me and MR are so on the same page. It’s great in the sense that ok you want the town to work together but bad in the sense that I was hoping for some kind of lightbulb moment, something I missed, or different perspective to make this decision easier lol but oh well
This "you" being me or "you" being MR?
“You” more like “you all”

The town as a whole wants town to work together

Gotcha.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:49 am So me and MR are so on the same page. It’s great in the sense that ok you want the town to work together but bad in the sense that I was hoping for some kind of lightbulb moment, something I missed, or different perspective to make this decision easier lol but oh well

This "you" being me or "you" being MR?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:48 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:45 am If there's any questions FS let me know.

I'm on phone right now so... please nothing that's a huge case, I'll answer anything though.
I only play on my phone lol it’s probably why I’m a lower poster but I’m here

I legit can't do that on any site I need to be on laptop every now and then.

Phone is fine for immediate interactions though.
Back reading? Not so much.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:45 am If there's any questions FS let me know.

I'm on phone right now so... please nothing that's a huge case, I'll answer anything though.

Don't ask me to do anything case wise**

If there's any questions FS let me know.

I'm on phone right now so... please nothing that's a huge case, I'll answer anything though.

Glad I gave an extra 5 minutes.

Giving her 30 more minutes and then I'm passing out.

I'm kinda waiting for FingerSplints to appear now so that I can talk to her but I need to get to bed soon.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:46 am
I kind of just realized that I've been blind to the fact that it is a F3 situation (Plus an extra head that's trying to sort things out as well) and you two have the hammer and it's significantly more stressful in that situation.

Fact about this statement: I think in every Final 3 I've been apart of I always had the hammer. I wasn't the one being judged/competing against the other player. This is the first time.

I'm trying to figure out what I can say that gives you more confidence that I'm town.

I kind of just realized that I've been blind to the fact that it is a F3 situation (Plus an extra head that's trying to sort things out as well) and you two have the hammer and it's significantly more stressful in that situation.

Spoiler: show

This is one of the rare times where the right answer is just the easy answer. Seanzie this game has done next to nothing besides push FingerSplints on Day 2. He's been coasting the rest of the game.

This game I've flat out kept the same amount of energy throughout the entirety of the game.
It's self-meta again, but I struggle to keep my energy throughout the course of a game because I hate wolfing and even if I'm giving a full effort to win, I end up doing less and less as the game goes on.
This I've kept the same energy whether it was alignment reads or even trying to solve mechanically which is a rarity as town but the setup was simple enough to solve using it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:21 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:20 am I get scumread when town all the time, especially in the early game.

I find it funny because I can just rub it in their faces later.
^my point being don't rage in the moment, just picture that moment where you end up mischopped, flip green, and all your detractors are like '...oh, shit' and then bide your time for the post-game/spec chat 'haha told you so' moment.

That's what I do.

Yeah I gotta learn how to deal with it significantly better, although I'm starting to add ideas.

It's self meta, but like I said during that EOD with Mac as the top wagon I don't go out of my way to save Mac there and vote a teammate when there's 2 or 3 other viable misyeets available that people would be happy to jump on.
Specifically if my partner is making a legit effort. I'm a terrible lone wolf late game because I have no idea what to do.
The only reason I bus is if my partner is 5 posting and is just going to go over anyways...then I take the towncred and bus them.

I say that numerous times but I end up raging anyways because nothing ever fucking changes.

But it's getting to a point where I'm missing shit that I never wanted to miss. I gotta do it somehow.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:55 am LC, haven't you said, in the past, that you often get angry/frustrated as town, but are more calm as Mafia?

I just got off a 2 month ban from this site and I'm nearing the end of a 6 month suspension on MU.

Trying to not rage.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:46 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:59 pm [VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?
Afaict the Ender wagon was only at 2 votes until LC bumps it up here, 2 hours before EoD. (I can't tell from the thread what Mac's vote count is at tbh, but I don't remember it being any higher than Ender's I think? So like 2-3 votes at most?)

Once again, I wouldn't call this *never* w/w as maybe wolf!LC senses momentum and wants to get in on it, knowing his partner is gonna come in and cop claim soon.

But once again, it does feel a bit unnecessary for an Ender/LC team. Like, wolves absolutely do play 'scared' and over-think how they look together and so bus more than they need to. But surely both Ender and LC are more confident/experienced than that? At least enough so that they find an avenue to push a falcon or NAA or MR wagon in this gamestate instead, rather than bus like they've done to each other in this round? Or if they're going to distance they make more of a show of it?

God damn WIFOM.

I think it was 4 at the time. Mac was voting himself as well.

I'm taking "Mhmmm" as a solid 4 out of 10 and I'll be happy about it.

@Master Radishes

Scale of 1-10 let me know how I did.

Also making my font bigger just to make it easier to read between the quotes and incase people are reading it on phone.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:14 pm I'm actually retired so I don't know what I'm doing here. Maybe I'll just lean into the retireee spirit.

Hey all you, get off my lawn!

This is the 1 post that Seanzie makes the entirety of Day 1.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:25 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.
Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.
I'm not particularly happy with the content of the game and if you posted once and disappeared it would have just hurt more.
What is wrong with the content this game?

W/W interaction, Ender pushes on Seanzie but he never attempts to wagon him this day phase.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:01 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:40 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
LC, your vote switches are definitely raising my hackles.

Keep in mind I vote Seanzie here and Ender starts to interrogate me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:38 pm Eh, nah.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

The three players that Seanzie votes and pushes are Falcon, Mac, and Fingersplints. Whom all 3 are either flipped town or green checked.
I can't remember if Seanzie was on the Mac wagon near EOD or not I don't have the vote count remembered that well.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
See now I have an issue cuz like you've been right about me being mafia so many times and here you're sussing me when I'm town so like... what do I do with that? I think I wanna maybe town read you for it because I feel like if you were mafia you would want to project your correct godread and pocket me rather than tilt me and encourage me to omgus. So yeah I'm gonna town read you for this garbage. Happy days for you.
Have you not figured out that I just scumread you every game regardless of what is going on, and just by the luck of the rand we've only ended up t/t for 1 day of 1 game through all of the games we've played together?

Anyways, I am less confident on you, Fingers is super wolfy on how she was approaching Porscha re:Falcon. I think Fingers REALLY wants a falcon elim, and reading Finger's ISO your name pops up in many awkward ways.

The reasoning for the Mac vote once Mac questions him is just looking for an excuse to put a vote on him. No real reasoning beyond "I always scumread you every game."

Falcon flipping town already, Seanzie is setting up to use Falcon's future townflip to push on Fingersplints for the current/next day phase of this post.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:44 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
See now I have an issue cuz like you've been right about me being mafia so many times and here you're sussing me when I'm town so like... what do I do with that? I think I wanna maybe town read you for it because I feel like if you were mafia you would want to project your correct godread and pocket me rather than tilt me and encourage me to omgus. So yeah I'm gonna town read you for this garbage. Happy days for you.
Have you not figured out that I just scumread you every game regardless of what is going on, and just by the luck of the rand we've only ended up t/t for 1 day of 1 game through all of the games we've played together?

Anyways, I am less confident on you, Fingers is super wolfy on how she was approaching Porscha re:Falcon. I think Fingers REALLY wants a falcon elim, and reading Finger's ISO your name pops up in many awkward ways.
Lol no I like to give people credit and make them feel good about themselves not invalidate their wins with hubris. I know it doesn't seem like that sometimes but I am all about the positive self appraisal lol.

You can have that read. I think Fingersplints has been quite pure. I am quite tunneled on MR and Ender being wolfy. I would probably need Fingersplints to accidentally slip their role card in the thread for me to be moved in that direction right now. Not ruling it out, but like ... I guess you could try to articulate your argument a bit more cuz I'm not going to go back and read all of it and try to confirmation bias myself into agreeing with you. I don't think anyone does lol. So if you actually want to persuade me or anyone probs do better I guess.
What makes Fingersplints pure? Is it tone or is it something game-related? Because from what I can tell all she's really done is talk about Falcon, and then give a few other throwaway takes. Now, sure the approach of just talking about a single slot in the game isn't the best for wolves, but idk how Fingersplints wolf game is in general, and tunneling someone is a good way for decent-but-not-top-tier wolves to generate content without having to digest the whole game.

I don't have time to go through a detailed case because I need to get in the shower or I'mma be late for a meeting, but looking through Finger's ISO, D1 all she did was give a light townlean and soft defense of Falcon. Then on D2, Falcon said her slot was null (which 3 posts deep, yes her slot was null), and Fingers flipped on Falcon because of this, and then immediately was encouraging a Falcon elim and aside from some shade thrown at LC and some soft defense of you and Ender, Fingers has really just pushed Falcon without furthering that read. Then Porscha comes in, suggesting that maybe we look at some of the wagons that haven't gotten a lot of heat, and then Fingers starts accusing Porscha of being teamed with Falcon, which sure, surface level that would make sense, but I think falls apart pretty quickly upon inspection. It feels like Figners choose a target at D2 (Falcon) when it felt like the wind was blowing in that direction, and has locked on and they aren't really considering alternatives, but they aren't like hardpushing the idea the way I'd expect from a tunnelled town.

And like posts like this:

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:50 am I don’t get your stance at all. More than just falcon has been talked about. More than just falcon has been voted for in the past. The thread has been in this state the entire game. It’s a small game.
Just make it feel like Fingers is kinda aware that all they've done is push Falcon, and is trying to be like "There is nothing to see here, this is normal. Falcon isn't clearly the day's designated miselim. There is no war in Ba Sing Se".

Seanzie discredits the townread of Fingersplints that Mac has on her, and starts to use Finger pushing on Falcon and Porscha, whom are both flipped town, and myself who is town also.
So Seanzie is using Fingersplint's pushes on town players to try to incriminate her, this of course backfires upon the green check of Fingersplints thanks for NAA.
To top that off, looking at what is bolded and underlined, Seanzie is talking about Fingersplints soft defending Ender, who flips mafia.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:43 pm Read FS's ISO, can be wolf but don't think she is.

Why are you opposed to Ender/Falcon @Seanzie?
I think they're both town. The biggest case against Ender I've seen is that he has been active, which... isn't a good case. Looking through his ISO, I feel fine about him.

The way Falcon's wagon progressed today makes me think he was today's designated wolfbait, probably decided because enough people showed interested in Falcon's wagon early on that it felt like town would bite there too, but the wagon took a sour turn halfway through. Fingersplints has been frozen on him (I mean tbf she has been afk most of today, but her read did an unexplained 180 from D1 to D2 and has been stuck in the exact same spot all D2).

Upon being asked about Ender via Mac, Seanzie responds by just stating that he feels fine with Ender after reading his iso.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:04 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:03 am I’ve been looking for this post to try and remember who said it and it took me way too long.

Seanzie yesterday made a point to say I could be paired with more than just Mac (probably because he knew already that was who the kill would be)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:13 am @Seanzie I think Fingersplints can only be with Mac which from my PoV makes fingerspints always a bad kill, thoughts?
I don't agree that there absolutely has to be at least one mafia in Mac/Falcon, so if you are not willing to consider solves without this condition, then I don't know what to tell you. If you are willing to consider this, then I'd say that many people could be with Fingersplints. I think Fingersplints/Falcon and Fingersplints/Porscha are unlikely, and probably Fingersplints/LC is not the team since Fingersplints echoed someone else's echo of Nook's misgivings about LC, but otherwise I don't see anything eliminating pairs with Fingersplints.

So, my thoughts are unless you can convince me of your Mac/Falcon worldview, I don't agree that Fingersplints is a bad kill.

"Seanzie talked about Mac here because he knew Mac was dying"

Lol, or maybe it was because NAA specifically said you could only be with Mac so you were a bad vote.

With posts like this where it feels like you're almost purposefully ignoring details to suit an agenda, I almost still think you're scum even if you're greenchecked. But, since you're likely just town here, please actually look at what NAA asked me.

This is Day 3 and NAA has outed the green check on FS, and despite that Seanzie is trying to discredit the green check and saying that he still has to think FS is mafia.

Seanzie then just votes Ender who was confirmed mafia by the CC and never posts again.

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So TLDR: Seanzie attempts to push on 3 players, Falcon, Mac, Fingersplints.
The mass point though is that Seanzie is trying to use the flip of whoever is town in order to incriminate Fingersplints.
Seanzie mentions Finger pushing Falcon - Voted out Day 2, Porscha - The Bodyguard, and myself - Look at the biceps.
The only people he doesn't end up using would be Mac - whom Sean pushes and votes, NAA - who flips cop, and Ender - who is flipping mafia and Seanzie finds a way to talk about Fingersplints soft defending him and probably serves as a backup plan in case Ender goes over.
Then it all goes pear shaped once NAA green checks Finger.

Like I said if there's any questions let me know and I'll answer. I'm not entirely sure what else I should be doing. I'm not the type of player to scumcase someone, especially when it's just a 1 on 1 since it's just flat out going to be a conf-biased case.

Also gonna be incredibly annoyed if I put total effort into this game and I'm the one that gets hammered and the other guy does next to nothing.

This game is an easy W for town, the decision should be massively easy.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:05 am I'll generally be trying to ignore individual towniness/scumminess.

I'm more interested in (a) their associations with all other players, (b) Ender's interactions with each of them, and (c) their approach to this round.

If you want to see the associations then think about the fact that Mac was a wagon at EOD2 and my action was to say that Mac shouldn't die and voted Ender, putting the wagon and the lead on him going over.
I don't townside like that for no reason if I'm mafia. I don't hard bus a partner if he's putting in effort and they're safe for the day.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:00 am I do not like LC’s big post today. It read to me like “I followed nook here. I followed Mac there. NAA makes crazy plays. the thread was dead. IT WASNT MY FAULT!” I can forgive bad votes, town make them too (sorry falcon ) , but the lack of accountability is kind of alarming.

I liked the bit about being at the DQ drive thru. Idk why but it makes me chuckle to think of someone plotting mafia while in line for some ice cream

I mean I'll admit that I did screw up just about most of the game.
Keep in mind I said this before, but it's my first game back since my 2 month ban, I've played most of my games on FoL where I played like total shit every game because their forum styles are way different. I don't have the same confidence in my reads as much as I did back in January.
I did screw up and misread Ender to start, but as I said there wasn't much to read and he was the only other one besides me attempting to make reads. I probably read him more carefully because I've miscleared him a few times in a row, but nothing else was happening so I was stuck.

That's kind of why I started trying to listen to other players. People will know I'm not a stranger to this because this was how I was when I started playing FM, aka "Sheep townreads/players that are good read wise. "

I know this is probably going to sound like shit anyways but if it wasn't for mechanics, this game doesn't reach this point because I felt awful read wise throughout the game.

Also I'm not gonna lie the other guy has kinda done nothing this game besides coast, so...yeah.

In all seriousness, I think I laid out enough of my "thought process" and why I made specific moves.

If there's ANY questions about what I wrote in my gigantic cases-
Or if you have any questions AT ALL:

Feel free to ask me.

@Master Radishes

@fingersplints

And while I have everybody's attention,

Let me talk to YOU guys about

CRYPTO!

CURRENCY!

I'm kidding...

What I can point out after doing that self-iso and "thought process" case is "What would I (Brad) do if I'm mafia here?"

If I'm mafia here:

1. I don't townside so fucking hard on End of Day 2 and ask "Why is Mac being voted out?" and put a wagon on Ender if he is my partner. There were other viable misyeets like (no offense) Fingersplints or Porscha.
I probably don't post at all during that EOD2 and just let Mac flat out self vote and fucking die because him getting ML'd as town is a huge win for mafia.

2. If Ender is claiming cop he is NOT claiming an inno on MR who I have as a PR read, specifically the copread I have.
- If Ender is going to claim cop I tell him to out the green check on someone else, and either we night kill Axehole, or we kill outside in a PR hunt incase I'm wrong and I have Ender hang onto the claim and do a red check on Axe quickly at the start of Day 3 since it would look like Axe would counter claim because he got caught.

3. I don't entirely forget that mafia is vengeful and have an immediate kill, mainly because I struggle with TMI and faking derptells, which I feel like my entire Day 3 was that up until NAA mentioned it.

Actually not sure how much going through my thought process is going to help...but I'll do it anyways since I know my own thought process and I at least think I can remember what was going on.

Day 1 was me being active in a super inactive game trying to make something happen. I ended up townreading Falcon and Ender, Falcon because I saw him do something that I could resonate with his town game, and Ender because he was the only one around attempting to do something in a game that was entirely dead. Like I was saying at the time with no one posting...the bar was extremely low.

What stopped me from locking those both in was Nanook talking about not townreading either of them and having them in the POE, and my townread on both men seared out.

Ended up helping out with voting random because "day sucks, lol, random."

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:16 pm So Nanook had Ender, Sean, Falcon as wolf reads...which just puts my confidence at a low.

Had Finger as town, Wilgy as town.

I notice this at my Day 2 start and think "wow, Nanook GOATED this game, good job."

I decided to try to listen to Mac and hope that he is just town by the fact that Nanook was calling Mac town despite never posting and dying while doing it and I thought it would've been funny to townclear someone. I had no reads that I was confident on and I wanted to see how he'd do with such a lackluster game activity wise.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pm [VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

All hail the magic conch.

Annnnnd Mac ended up with voting Ender.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:10 pm [VOTE: NAA] aubergine

I switch to NAA here because I think he was tunneling Falcon the entire game and I was thinking "This could be NAA deciding to just tunnel someone as mafia since people won't think twice about it" and there was a slight wagon forming.

However...

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:16 pm @MacDougall why are you voting obv!town MR?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:38 pm I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?

His reads aren't real

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:39 pm Lol I just realised this is a heist and not mountainous.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:40 pmWait....

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:40 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

This stream of posts happened while I had my vote on NAA.
Falcon is saying "NAA is calling Radishes obvious town despite Radishes not being towny at all."
Mac says "I forgot this is a heist and not mountainous."

I remember that there's a cop in the setup, and I instantly think to myself "NAA might be the cop with an inno on MR."
And switch my vote to Seanzie.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:39 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:34 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:02 pm I barely vote as mafia in general.

I have a weird feeling about something.
what is your strange feeling my child
follwing up on this one LC
It's a bad idea if I do so it's better if I kept quiet.

I'm constantly vague about this despite Porscha questioning me about it since it was best to keep quiet. We don't want PRs to be outed in Day 2 when they have room to do damage.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:59 pm [VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?

I'm at a DQ drive thru while posting this and see that Mac is wagoned at EOD, and I think he's probably town and vote Ender...who ends up flipping mafia in this game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:50 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:47 pm I'll answer it for y'all because I'm annoyed.

I'm cop. Good job wagoning the Cabbage Cop.

NAA, congrats on being the NK after me because you're greenchecked.
Why in the blue fuck do you check him?

I see the cop claim from Ender and it's just pro-town to believe the claim and vote Falcon.

I ask why Ender checks NAA because...well, it's NAA.

Falcon flips and is town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:52 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:31 pm

open setup: 9v2:
seven VT veggies

one cop veggie

one self sacrificing veggie (protect someone every night, if they are killed, die in their place)

two mafia veggies (kill each night, first one to die gets an immediate retaliation kill performed at same eod)

Let's do some maths here...

VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

This is the start...
Take away 4 VTs....

VT
VT
VT
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

5 vs 2

That's 1 misyeet left?

There's 1 green check on NAA, which I'm hoping is a VT.
Barring a green check on a SECOND VT, it COULD look like this.

VT
VT - Green Checked
VT - Green Checked
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

Which means that leave 3 unclears, which means with 1 ML left, this game is an auto-win for town.

Here with the fucked up kill all PRs are alive with the green check at the start of Day 3, so I go into numbers mode and talk about how the game is close to being "Auto" because mechanics would lock things up.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:03 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:01 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.
How real we going here with this?
Real claim, my play around MR yesterday is the result of a green check.

Then NAA claims cop with two inno reports, and everything changes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:08 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:03 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:01 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.
How real we going here with this?
Real claim, my play around MR yesterday is the result of a green check.
NGL I kinda figured that out when this was happening.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:38 pm I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?

His reads aren't real

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:39 pm Lol I just realised this is a heist and not mountainous.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:38 pm I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?

His reads aren't real
Mmm the only problem with that is that NAA has a condition that means often he does these kinds of things when town.

And my post immediately after was kind of shifting towards me thinking you were a cop with MR as green.

And then post what I had already posted in this towncase of myself earlier talking about how I thought MR was the cop originally before the Ender claim.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:08 pm Maybe not the third post because that's kind of nothing but that had the wheels turning.

Also if you're hard claiming cop then Ender is confirmed mafia because he inno'd you.

Stating the obvious and knowing that Ender is losing the CC battle if it is indeed a CC battle.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:11 pm Alright, fair enough. This is basically close to auto-win then.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:12 pm Oh wait, no because mafia venge kill will end me today, so you all actually have to find the last mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:12 pm Oh god damn I didn't realize that was a thing.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:14 pm Actually if FS and MR are both vanilla towns then this game IS auto.

And then me realizing that the game could be auto/easy to win in the end because of mechanics and multiple innos and the fact that the body guard was a player that wasn't cop checked at all (Porscha!) and we win.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:46 pm I do have a feeling he's FPS'ing but at this rate you gotta realize who's in the game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:46 pm Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:47 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

Ender comes back and claims his red check to be on FingerSplints, and the only reason I give ground to this claim is because there's a bit of me that believes that NAA is FPS'ing and fucking things up because the night kill was weird. Anyone that has played with NAA in the past knows him for messing games up with bad plays...you can even look at how Mac interacts with Axehole in this game and I'm not the only one that knows this.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:01 am The clear mech play is to believe the cop that was green checked by the other cop. If I am VT derailing a red check, you can report me for game throwing, and the mods will side with you.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:09 am [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:11 am NAA is technically correct.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:12 am And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

Axehole states what the right move is, and I entirely agree because it is mechanically correct that in a CC battle the cop claim that has inno'd his CC opponent is going to be mafia nearly 100% of the time.

The rest of the iso is just calling Porscha towny as hell and saying that it's probably just Ender and Seanzie as the mafia team.

Overall this was my thought process as the game progressed.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

The other two are greenchecked.

@Master Radishes

@fingersplints

The least I can do is towncase myself and give my thought process throughout, which I can do later tonight when I get home.

But anyways....to the game.

@Porscha

Also...fuck you on the FOL game.

YOOOOOOOO

@Porscha

Glad we had the same mindset on that yesterday.

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