The Syndicate

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I thought it was unwinnable for mafia due to the assumption that no town with 1/2 a brain would force a tie in final 3.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:45 pm I disagree with Wigly.
If NAA flips Red I’m definitely voting Marmot tomorrow and I’ll explain why only if NAA flips Red.
Let’s just say I don’t think those 2 are ever aligned with each other.

Because you don't want to find someone to vote at start of day other than Marmot?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:15 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm Do you think he’s scum now too? Lol.

And if your gonna say it’s read related, nothing is exposed via read it just means read is wrong.

He's been saying it for a while Gavial, this isn't a new NAA read.

He's just scum.

That's a read I'll probably lock in if you flip town.

I’m not scum and I’m definitely not scum with Wigly.

kek

If your scum though then your probably with someone in the PoE.
Probably either Luck or Ruri.

If your town I’ll tell you what.
I’ll town case myself tomorrow and see if I can find anything that can prove me and Wigly would never be wolf together.

kek

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm Do you think he’s scum now too? Lol.

And if your gonna say it’s read related, nothing is exposed via read it just means read is wrong.

He's been saying it for a while Gavial, this isn't a new NAA read.

He's just scum.

That's a read I'll probably lock in if you flip town.

I’m not scum and I’m definitely not scum with Wigly.

kek

Actually, I should just leave my legacy now:

Gavial is mafia never kill.

His partner is probably DrWigly - Kill him tomorrow.

If Wigly is just wildly anti-town, then I expect Gavial will die in the night (if he goes for wifom, let him rot). Doo, ignoramus, Ruri are the PoE, 2 of which are town... Yall need to find one gth I would leave DOO and ignoramus to final 2 endgame.

Marmot could be deep, but is town siding for no reason if scum... I probably wouldn't reconsider this read.

Luckbox is my top town.

I actually forgot Dolby existed through this, I'll say depends on the vote, but the thread feel leaves him more likely on the "being dismissed as lurking town" side of things.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:19 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm Do you think he’s scum now too? Lol.

And if your gonna say it’s read related, nothing is exposed via read it just means read is wrong.

He's been saying it for a while Gavial, this isn't a new NAA read.

He's just scum.

That's a read I'll probably lock in if you flip town.

You need to kill his partner tomorrow, I think it's either DrWigly or Doo because mafia's win condition at this point is ensuring I don't die, so that worlds are not locked in... I have no clue what Gavial's plan is, but then again, he killed Sabie LOL.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm Do you think he’s scum now too? Lol.

And if your gonna say it’s read related, nothing is exposed via read it just means read is wrong.

He's been saying it for a while Gavial, this isn't a new NAA read.

He's just scum.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm Do you think he’s scum now too? Lol.

And if your gonna say it’s read related, nothing is exposed via read it just means read is wrong.

Glad you've cleared up that people can be wrong, I never considered that in all of my time playing mafia.

Did you know... People can also be scum?

The jig is up. Game Over. Sayonara. Good Bye.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:22 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:41 am It's ok. You'll be fully exposed by EoD flip

What would he be exposed on?

It's ok. You'll be fully exposed by EoD flip

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:17 am Further,

Feel decent to vote on:
Ignoramus
Dolby

Alittle sketch but not super worried:
Ruri

No clue:
Gaviel
Luckbox
DaughterofOmega

Worried:
Marmot

Wouldn't vote:
NAA

b A d v I B E s

Just mad cuz I'm right lol

Cold takes

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:17 am Further,

Feel decent to vote on:
Ignoramus
Dolby

Alittle sketch but not super worried:
Ruri

No clue:
Gaviel
Luckbox
DaughterofOmega

Worried:
Marmot

Wouldn't vote:
NAA

b A d v I B E s

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:38 amIly too

Pocketed

lolgavial

Vote me today, DrWigly tomorrow... Leave Gavial to lose in F3. If Wigly is a miss, I assume Gavial dies in the night and whoever's alive can figure it out at that point.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:46 pm Luckbox's derp clear is denied by the court.

All parties responsible shall abstain from the voting of Luckbox on such premise. Luckbox's attempts to self derp clear shall be taken as evidence for further review.

Court adjourned.

I mean, I'm sorry that the amount of angleshooting and dumbtelling this game negatively affects your win condition.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:42 pm Oh, did Luckbox not realize what our win con was?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:39 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:37 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:29 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:24 pm so it's 7/2 then and ideally we should be killing a wolf today because?????

Where did this idea come from?

I thought people were posting it.

Also-- NAA seems pretty villagery.

Do you agree with this strategy?

Like that post is literally asking that the strategy be explained to me, preferably like I was 5.

The goal of this game is to kill off townies.

Then why aren't we wanting to vote the towniest person here?

To keep it simple, we do.

There's just an alternative strategy that plays around mafia night kills that we haven't thus far really gone for.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:29 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:24 pm so it's 7/2 then and ideally we should be killing a wolf today because?????

Where did this idea come from?

I thought people were posting it.

Also-- NAA seems pretty villagery.

Do you agree with this strategy?

Like that post is literally asking that the strategy be explained to me, preferably like I was 5.

The goal of this game is to kill off townies.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:28 pm Why are people voting for Gavial. Do you think he's town?

@Luckbox Inc @DaughterOfOmega

(Also DoO, don't forget to vote in the poll)

wolf-- but I have no actual clue if he is. NAA seems villagery though so I'm sheeping him.

I can develop my own reads here soon enough if I were to just keep on posting but idk if that is realistically going to happen.

We want to vote townies, top scum reads need to be kept, never killed.

You did not

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:28 pm Why are people voting for Gavial. Do you think he's town?

@Luckbox Inc @DaughterOfOmega

(Also DoO, don't forget to vote in the poll)

did I not just vote?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:23 pm [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

well I'm fine with Gavial.

Who are the other wolf suspects?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:15 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:12 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:30 pm But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

I don't wanna kill Luckbox today. I don't have much confidence that he's town.

I'm kind of surprised by this, do you feel like he's dumb telling too hard with not knowing about the flip?

Yes, I think that's possible.

Also, his posts seem like he's very disconnected with what the thread is doing. We're chopping town today, and he comes in asking, "So we're chopping mafia today???????"

I don't know where that thought came from, so I'm supposing it comes from a player who's trying to disrupt our trajectory.

no really I have no clue and haven't opened this thread in a couple days it seems and have missed a bunch of posts

I also didn't read any posts from the weekend, and don't really care to

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:15 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:30 pm But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

I don't wanna kill Luckbox today. I don't have much confidence that he's town.

I'm kind of surprised by this, do you feel like he's dumb telling too hard with not knowing about the flip?

Your surprised? LOL.
Clearly you haven’t been reading anything that has been stated yesterday.

I even stated yesterday that the best position wolves could be is the positions that you and Luck have.
That’s why I pushed for you to be voted yesterday.
Why are you defending luck so much and even responding to stuff that involve him and not you? Lol.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:15 pm Maybe I'm just outta tune.

No, you're right. I just assumed I knew what he was talking about because I posted it, therefore every single person must have read it and agreed with it to some degree.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:12 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:30 pm But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

I don't wanna kill Luckbox today. I don't have much confidence that he's town.

I'm kind of surprised by this, do you feel like he's dumb telling too hard with not knowing about the flip?

Yes, I think that's possible.

Also, his posts seem like he's very disconnected with what the thread is doing. We're chopping town today, and he comes in asking, "So we're chopping mafia today???????"

I don't know where that thought came from, so I'm supposing it comes from a player who's trying to disrupt our trajectory.

no really I have no clue and haven't opened this thread in a couple days it seems and have missed a bunch of posts

I also didn't read any posts from the weekend, and don't really care to

No one wants to play the game the right way though

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:24 pm so it's 7/2 then and ideally we should be killing a wolf today because?????

Where did this idea come from?

I thought people were posting it.

Also-- NAA seems pretty villagery.

I did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:30 pm But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

I don't wanna kill Luckbox today. I don't have much confidence that he's town.

I'm kind of surprised by this, do you feel like he's dumb telling too hard with not knowing about the flip?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:04 pm Don't vote yourself in the end though plz, it'll make the whole thing moot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:00 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:18 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:46 pm I still like the idea of yeeting Dolby. Low content, but the dude seems very focused on a townie agenda.

@Gavial what do you think of yeeting NAA today?

I wouldn’t oppose to it but I want to make sure we yeet a Town today and the only one I’m very confident in flipping Town is you.

Everyone else for me RN is like a shot in the dark.
Im down if you want to switch the order from You (-) NAA to NAA - You
As long as you can make sure your confident on them flipping Town.

Gavial literally does not care who dies.

I think you're tunneling here, flipping his order isn't really an indication that he doesn't care who dies imo

Read the actual explanation of the read.

@Marmot vote me

If that doesn't do it, I swear to god I'm not explaining another read on this site ever again

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:47 pm Why so confident that Gav is a wolf?

He does seem like he did the only time I saw him play (where he was a wolf)-- but that doesn't mean all that much.

Gavial isn't a logical player to begin with, so you can't read him on his decisions per say. I would say look at the consistency, how he is trying to assess if pushing me is a good idea or not... It doesn't feel like he's trying to interact with me, though anyone could tell you that would be futile, but he's also not dismissing me, or attributing any sort of read to my slot... But he's also ok with killing me at any time (note he has town reads, we'll get to that)

And then he draws random conclusions on who he thinks are town, relatively lackluster support for the ideas - No one is agreeing with him vs how my ideas were supported and Marmot & DrWigly both agreed with the conclusion - again not a logical player so question mark... Still, he shows no intention of making that information important when if he's town, making sure people are on the same page as him wrt those reads would be his wincon and I think he would be playing to that even if he could be wrong because he thinks very highly of his own reads.

Also, the lack of progression, it feels like Marmot is a town read just for the sake of having somewhere to dump his vote at the beginning of each day... It's consistent, and generally, behaviors like this of consistency are part of his scum game.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:37 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:30 pm But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

Assuming I'm a villager should I care if people want to kill me today and I die?

Mickey Mouse

But town hunting is fine to, I feel like I'm basically cleared, I would also kill Luckbox here.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:24 pm so it's 7/2 then and ideally we should be killing a wolf today because?????

So, the logic for wolf hunting is, if you can conclusively determine one player to be a wolf (Gavial) or a player to be a wolf in a PoE of 2 (Gavial & DrWigly), then you can wolf hunt for 2 days. If you snag a wolf, then the game is automatic assuming your original assumption is correct... Because Gavial can no longer kill himself in that case.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:22 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:22 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:21 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:26 pm I think if NAA is scum here it’s probably with Luck.

Why is that?

Also-- we're still waiting for any sort of wolves to die right? I missed some flips I have to go back and find..

Sabie flipped wolf

Ok yeah....unfortunately that means nothing to me.

Also, lol.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:21 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:26 pm I think if NAA is scum here it’s probably with Luck.

Why is that?

Also-- we're still waiting for any sort of wolves to die right? I missed some flips I have to go back and find..

Sabie flipped wolf

I think killing anyone other than Gavial is winning LOL

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:46 pm I still like the idea of yeeting Dolby. Low content, but the dude seems very focused on a townie agenda.

@Gavial what do you think of yeeting NAA today?

I wouldn’t oppose to it but I want to make sure we yeet a Town today and the only one I’m very confident in flipping Town is you.

Everyone else for me RN is like a shot in the dark.
Im down if you want to switch the order from You (-) NAA to NAA - You
As long as you can make sure your confident on them flipping Town.

Gavial literally does not care who dies.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:45 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:09 pm DrWigly, give me a read on Gavial, otherwise I'm going to assume you're just randomly protecting him based on bad reads err bad vibes err PARTNERS!

Gaviel had me very much fooled last game we played together. I do not trust my ability to read them. Due to this.

I'd think that in this setup, Gaviel would be able to play pro town until F3 even if they were a wolf. Perhaps they'd be a good d5 yeet assuming we dodge scum until then.

Gavial plays pro town?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:35 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:31 pm I'm here. Can be posting today. Need to catch up on a ton in this game.

b a d v i b e s

I haven't even opened this thread in like 36 hours.

Sorry, I'm running my best DrWigly impression

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:31 pm I'm here. Can be posting today. Need to catch up on a ton in this game.

b a d v i b e s

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:16 pm Sabie kill points to Marmot-NAA scum team because they're too townie for it to be any other way.

GG me, I solve dit

I would have killed you, but I thought the same thing LOL

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:43 pm I'm having trouble following NAA's argument, but I also think Gavial's response doesn't jive. On one hand, he TR's NAA and wants to kill him tomorrow. On the other hand, he's establishing a thunderdome with him, which is an odd strategy to do as a townie.

This is why I don't explain reads.

AND

YES

DrWigly, give me a read on Gavial, otherwise I'm going to assume you're just randomly protecting him based on bad reads err bad vibes err PARTNERS!

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:07 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:51 pm Hard to explain, but the mafia's Sabie kill would heavily imply that they aren't concerned about their low posters if they exist.

That type of implication would benefit Luckbox but also match the nonchalant feel I get from them.

I mean, you don't know me, but if I'm mafia with Sabie I never ever kill her in the night. She came in wanting to play, it's her first game back in a while, and I think she's generally more fun to play with than most people in this game. No offense Dr.

Eh, I guess that's wifom because she could have wanted out for all I know.

Oh my god... I said WIFOM ._. kill me. The least productive / most counterproductive word in all of mafia.