The Syndicate

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:16 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:52 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:14 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:47 am @MightyQ How do you feel about Pao ranking you as #1 Town?

Do you think you are the Top Town this game? More Town than all the rest?
If he says so then sure. And on another hand, saying I'm a waist of a town slot is invalid. I haven't done much of anything, I've tried to say who I think it is but at this point I'm not quite sure. Believe Pao or not, I do think I am. While yes, I can see myself doing the same thing if I was a wolf, I'm not. This is my second game here and the first doesn't count, but all in all I'm simply here to try and grasp the people here. The way they talk, etc. If I was a wolf I wouldn't have the brain to think this meta.

On another subject people have wanted my list of who people are, so I'll just go down the list.

Gav - I can see him as a desperate town member.

Pao - I can see him as a town that just wants the game to end because he will be busy this coming week.

Porscha - Unsure: Contributes a lot in long intervals, probably maf.

Falcon - Aggresive in some posts, but frustrated at others, just like Gav. Probably town.

MC - Unsure. Similar to falcon in terms of stance on people and also aggresive. Otherwise I dunno.

There. There's my list
Forgot CRichard
Also unsure, but seems like either he's leaving the game up to fate... Or is cocky. Odds are I'm reading wrong but might be a maf.
Explain why if I were mafia with Wilgy i would 1. Push them since day one with Macdougall and 2. Leave my vote on Wilgy and allow the rand to kill them rather than vote to save Porscha at EoD2.
It makes ya look good. If you were a mafia you can use it as a crutch to save yerself from elimination. I gotta think that y'all are good players, and because of such I gotta try to think a step ahead. So, perhaps you two planned this because Wilgy was on the chopping block. It makes sense and it's what I'd do.

Except the town cred from bussing tends to not be worth losing a scum mate.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:06 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:06 pm My good why did he have to be so wolfy?

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:05 pm Not to victim blame, yet they were insanely wolfy.
No they weren’t.
You all just need to learn the difference between “Bad” and “Wolf”.

Yeah well their votes were horrible. Sue me, I was on a coin flip and I bet wrong.
Maybe falcon is town for all we know, though if I flipped them then I'd be a hero or a zero.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:10 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:09 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:07 pm Town can be hella Bad but it doesn’t mean it’s wolfy play.

What Falcon is doing is wolfy play.

Please CRichard for the love of god name one thing you find Townie about Falcon.
They had what I thought was a towny demeanor, and Mac had them as town in their legacy.
Yet I'm not sure how much I should trust this.
Towny demeanor?
Elaborate please.

They gave me the not wanting to be in thread vibes.
Still i'm not sure how confidently I believe in it now.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:07 pm Town can be hella Bad but it doesn’t mean it’s wolfy play.

What Falcon is doing is wolfy play.

Please CRichard for the love of god name one thing you find Townie about Falcon.

They had what I thought was a towny demeanor, and Mac had them as town in their legacy.
Yet I'm not sure how much I should trust this.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:04 pm So we gonna continue to throw or we gonna vote Falcon?

I'll accept responsibility for this, their vote history was too atrocious to see past in my moment of weakness.

My good why did he have to be so wolfy?

Not to victim blame, yet they were insanely wolfy.

3 minutes till the moment of truth.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:46 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:17 pm Vote falcon tomorrow.
I'm 100% sure he is going to push MightyQ
Well, I've said you're both in my solve, so obviously if you're town I'll pursue MightyQ. This is not a grand revelation

I think MightyQ is more likely to be town tbh, yet I'm willing to be proven wrong.

In case I didn't mention this earlier, I trust Mac's legacy on Falcon being town.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:17 pm Vote falcon tomorrow.
I'm 100% sure he is going to push MightyQ

If the game isn't over, then sure.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:13 pm Definitely town, I’m very confident in this, don’t know why I be thinking otherwise.

If you're right on this, you get to say I told you so.

Ok, still I would imagine being the counter wagon to a wolf at one time and pushing on them seems pretty clearing if you ask me.
Still that's up to you.

I've been pretty busy with real life.
Besides I'm feeling confident we win the game hopefully today.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:58 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:55 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:48 pm There voting could have definitely been better but that’s just bad not wolfy.

They have said things, even to Mac that comes across as Townie.
Then explain the vote on Sig ensuring that they went over rather than DrWilgy.
Feels like Pao has abandoned the game after their last desperate call for a 3 way RNG.

Like a Hail Mary play by a Wolf

Cross our fingers at hope for the best.
Feels grand.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:48 pm There voting could have definitely been better but that’s just bad not wolfy.

They have said things, even to Mac that comes across as Townie.

Then explain the vote on Sig ensuring that they went over rather than DrWilgy.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:48 pm There voting could have definitely been better but that’s just bad not wolfy.

They have said things, even to Mac that comes across as Townie.

Here's where I'm at.
If Pao is mafia, we end the game right here and now.
If Pao is town, then we have their legacy to work with.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:49 pm whoever we vote out will be town no matter who it is because god put us here to suffer

Lets be more optimistic.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:44 pm Wow looks like CRichard decided to vote the obvious town.
What an ML eh?

Are they though? I find their voting history pretty hard to see past.

@MightyQ
There's one more thing you have to consider in that I was the counter wagon to Dr Wilgy before Sig was the main wagon D1.
Heck I would have been eliminated D1 instead of Sig D1 if the votes didn't move to Sig.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:59 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:21 am Ngl I'm getting a bad feeling a Pao flip isn't going to end the game.
Disregard this post if I'm mistaken here.
Wow you do?
You magically see what I see but are probably going to allow Paopan to go over anyway so you aren’t responsible!?!?

The Paopan/Falcon tie happened while I was asleep.
My vote goes on either Falcon or Paopan before EoD.

I think my PoE is probably Falcon and Paopan tbh.
We've had close wagons every day. That pattern tells me based on how we flipped Dr Wilgy as mafia D2, that we probably have the last wolf on the block with Paopan/Falcon being the solve.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:24 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:17 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:25 am @CRichard
Quite honestly this is the best way to solve this.
Don’t vote and let it rand 2v2v2.
Last time we let it rand it hit wolf, so let’s do it again!
I would laugh if we hit the last wolf with a 2nd rand in a row.
Rand w/ 3 players would give Pao (if wolf) only a 1/3 chance of dying. Good odds for a wolf, terrible strategy for town
Paopan isn’t wolf though, why can’t you see this?

If Paopan isn't the last mafia, then we'll be having a nice long discussion post game on how to help the town as town.
Win win.

Paopan
3
30%
Voters: falcon45ca, Porscha, Miss Carousel
falcon45ca
3
30%
Voters: MightyQ, Paopan, Gavial
Alison (Host/Spec)
3
30%
Voters: MacDougall, iaafr, dunya
Miss Carousel
1
10%
Voters: CRichard
CRichard
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gavial
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
MightyQ
0
No votes
Voters: None

I will say that having tied wagons as with day two does make me lean towards one of Pao/Falcon possibly being the solve here.
MissC seems to have more WiM since Wilgy went over and I don't think that makes sense if we were about to kill them and end the game.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:14 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:47 am @MightyQ How do you feel about Pao ranking you as #1 Town?

Do you think you are the Top Town this game? More Town than all the rest?
If he says so then sure. And on another hand, saying I'm a waist of a town slot is invalid. I haven't done much of anything, I've tried to say who I think it is but at this point I'm not quite sure. Believe Pao or not, I do think I am. While yes, I can see myself doing the same thing if I was a wolf, I'm not. This is my second game here and the first doesn't count, but all in all I'm simply here to try and grasp the people here. The way they talk, etc. If I was a wolf I wouldn't have the brain to think this meta.

On another subject people have wanted my list of who people are, so I'll just go down the list.

Gav - I can see him as a desperate town member.

Pao - I can see him as a town that just wants the game to end because he will be busy this coming week.

Porscha - Unsure: Contributes a lot in long intervals, probably maf.

Falcon - Aggresive in some posts, but frustrated at others, just like Gav. Probably town.

MC - Unsure. Similar to falcon in terms of stance on people and also aggresive. Otherwise I dunno.

There. There's my list
Forgot CRichard
Also unsure, but seems like either he's leaving the game up to fate... Or is cocky. Odds are I'm reading wrong but might be a maf.

Explain why if I were mafia with Wilgy i would 1. Push them since day one with Macdougall and 2. Leave my vote on Wilgy and allow the rand to kill them rather than vote to save Porscha at EoD2.

Time to go to bed.
No need to lose sleep over a game yeah?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:24 am Following forward:
Don't listen to these 3 slots : Falcon, MC, and Porsha
2 are them are our Benedict Arnold and 1 of them is a wolf.

I'll keep that in mind if you're town.

Ngl I'm getting a bad feeling a Pao flip isn't going to end the game.
Disregard this post if I'm mistaken here.

Hmm if it were to break a tie, sure.
We have time to use the day and I'm not a fan of quick hammers.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:15 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:03 am Still the one thing I have trouble getting over regarding Pao was voting the 0 poster over the mafia D1.
As I have stated. I would rather to vote a 0 poster that might be town instead of an active one with a scummy vibes.
But sure, if you like playing with AFK players.

I don't think that in itself is the biggest problem tbh.
The main problem is how the vote was made to flip a 0 posting town over a mafia.
Anyway I'm getting tired af.

We shall see won't we?
In the best of worlds, we flip you and the game ends.

Still the one thing I have trouble getting over regarding Pao was voting the 0 poster over the mafia D1.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:01 amYeeeeet

If you're town, your flip will clear up worlds.

It's fine. We're all playing for fun.

I will say Paopan is that if you're the wolf, sorry for your loss.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:56 am [VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

i think porscha's town here, and randing here is stupid

That's a pretty good post coming from you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:33 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:22 pm why would the wolves not vote together explicitly to save a wolf
No shit. Especially since Wilgy had to join the wagon for a self pres, it's completely possible that a Wolf was already on the wagon.

That's a good point. Why wouldn't a wolf vote to ensure that their partner didn't die D1?
We had a tie between Sig and Dr Wilgy the flipped mafia.
Then it was Pao who I'm sure voted to make sure Sig died over DrWilgy D1.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:07 pm Tbh if it's not Falcon, it's probably either Gav.
Gav because he's led 2 'wagons' to kill innocents at this point and that generally dictates scum from my experience

Gav also was one of the voters who ensured Wilgy went over D2, instead of Porscha.
Does that make it more/less likely Gav is a busser fypov?

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:47 pm Only MC and Falcon are melding rn on their outrageous ideas.
One is wolf whilst the other one is a lost, anti-town lamb

If it's not you, then I would look at MissC and maybe Falcon.
With any luck, you flipping ends the game.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:06 am feel pretty good about the run of recent porscha posts being town. poking a stick at the thread and disrupting a little more than necessary for if they were wolf

I would think that being the counterwagon to a flipped mafia would be a pretty compelling argument that Porsch is town.
Still, I can buy this.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:15 am Falcon clearly couldn’t get enough of the Gavial.
He started the push on me I didn’t.

Now he doesn’t want no more of what Gavial is giving!

Uh what?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:25 am @CRichard
Quite honestly this is the best way to solve this.
Don’t vote and let it rand 2v2v2.
Last time we let it rand it hit wolf, so let’s do it again!

I would laugh if we hit the last wolf with a 2nd rand in a row.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:03 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:30 pm

Wasn't Wilgy hard pushing on Gav long before they were about to be eliminated?
If so, then I'm inclined to believe Gav can't be a wolf as Wilgy wasn't in anti spew until they were eliminated at EoD2.
Yeah, but there was no traction at all on a Gav wagon at those times.

Wilgy had wagon action both RDs, his flip was always looming. It would be decent partner distancing if Wilgy flipped
If Gav is town, do we think they get night killed sooner or later?
The only reason I'd flip is to rule out worlds they're the busser or not.
If town, yourself, Gav and Porscha would be the likely NKs, not necessarily in that order.
I have those two as my most confident town reads.
Having up to 4 people in PoE is fun no?
Mind you I have reasons to think you're town and I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong on MissC being mafia.
Ugh.
I'm of the mind we should wagon race MightyQ and Pao this RD
@CRichard
Keep in mind, what Falcon is saying here looks awfully good for him in a wolf world.

I think that Falcon is probably a wolf only in worlds where Pao/MissC and Mighty are town.
Still I'll keep what you said in mind.

The thing that concerns me is that my PoE of Pao/MissC has a somewhat decent chance of both being misses.
Which concerns me even though we got a wolf out of the game.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:03 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 pm

Does Wolf Wilgy make this post before he dies about Town Gav?

Hmmmm
Wasn't Wilgy hard pushing on Gav long before they were about to be eliminated?
If so, then I'm inclined to believe Gav can't be a wolf as Wilgy wasn't in anti spew until they were eliminated at EoD2.
Yeah, but there was no traction at all on a Gav wagon at those times.

Wilgy had wagon action both RDs, his flip was always looming. It would be decent partner distancing if Wilgy flipped
If Gav is town, do we think they get night killed sooner or later?
The only reason I'd flip is to rule out worlds they're the busser or not.
If town, yourself, Gav and Porscha would be the likely NKs, not necessarily in that order.
I have those two as my most confident town reads.
Having up to 4 people in PoE is fun no?
Mind you I have reasons to think you're town and I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong on MissC being mafia.
Ugh.
I'm of the mind we should wagon race MightyQ and Pao this RD

I think Pao is more likely to be a hit, though my confidence being as it is. Well then.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm Ugh a tie. Do I break the tie by voting Porscha?
It's cool, just delete Gav after I'm gone.
Does Wolf Wilgy make this post before he dies about Town Gav?

Hmmmm
Wasn't Wilgy hard pushing on Gav long before they were about to be eliminated?
If so, then I'm inclined to believe Gav can't be a wolf as Wilgy wasn't in anti spew until they were eliminated at EoD2.
Yeah, but there was no traction at all on a Gav wagon at those times.

Wilgy had wagon action both RDs, his flip was always looming. It would be decent partner distancing if Wilgy flipped
If Gav is town, do we think they get night killed sooner or later?
The only reason I'd flip is to rule out worlds they're the busser or not.
If town, yourself, Gav and Porscha would be the likely NKs, not necessarily in that order.

I have those two as my most confident town reads.
Having up to 4 people in PoE is fun no?
Mind you I have reasons to think you're town and I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong on MissC being mafia.
Ugh.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:42 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm Ugh a tie. Do I break the tie by voting Porscha?
It's cool, just delete Gav after I'm gone.
Does Wolf Wilgy make this post before he dies about Town Gav?

Hmmmm
Wasn't Wilgy hard pushing on Gav long before they were about to be eliminated?
If so, then I'm inclined to believe Gav can't be a wolf as Wilgy wasn't in anti spew until they were eliminated at EoD2.
Yeah, but there was no traction at all on a Gav wagon at those times.

Wilgy had wagon action both RDs, his flip was always looming. It would be decent partner distancing if Wilgy flipped
If Gav is town, do we think they get night killed sooner or later?
The only reason I'd flip is to rule out worlds they're the busser or not.
if you're town i think you die first. then either gav or porscha, probably depending on the thread's level of paranoia of porscha at the time. if i'm in f3 with gav i'll reevaluate but i don't see flipping gav before then.

Then I'll look forward to seeing if my PoE is correct or not from DVC.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:39 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:08 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:06 am
MightyQ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:05 am Tbh though I feel like I'm gonna die tonight. I have a hunch that someone here doesn't like me being derpy and shit and I'm gonna die, which is just fan-fucking tastic.
Why would the mafia kill you? You aren't anywhere as big a threat compared to Mac for example.
Just to kill someone. Or, they could be taking what Gav said about me earlier into consideration and off me now. In doing so the game wouldn't progress. It's what I'd do if I wasn't in danger as the mafia. Yes Mac and co are big people but doing so brings more deduction reasoning into the mix, right? So not a good idea from my lens
i don't think things like this should just be excused and ignored because "well they're new" and move on. this is not a good towny thought! there's no universe where MightyQ would be the kill on n2, and i don't think the fact that that thought should never come from a town should just be ignored. i don't think this slot should be treated like a child and have thoughts completely out of sync with the thread just handwaved away

I stg if it's MightyQ and we let them skate, I'm going to be malding.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:57 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm Ugh a tie. Do I break the tie by voting Porscha?
It's cool, just delete Gav after I'm gone.
Does Wolf Wilgy make this post before he dies about Town Gav?

Hmmmm
Wasn't Wilgy hard pushing on Gav long before they were about to be eliminated?
If so, then I'm inclined to believe Gav can't be a wolf as Wilgy wasn't in anti spew until they were eliminated at EoD2.
Yeah, but there was no traction at all on a Gav wagon at those times.

Wilgy had wagon action both RDs, his flip was always looming. It would be decent partner distancing if Wilgy flipped

If Gav is town, do we think they get night killed sooner or later?
The only reason I'd flip is to rule out worlds they're the busser or not.

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