I haven't fully caught up yet. I have to say though, that this post is the most interesting one for me. It's just fascinating af.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:45 pm
My strongest townread is actually on c4 because he's a little skeptical of the mansnicks push but doesn't try to defend mansnicks. Skepticism = paranoia, no defense = no agenda (either way), and I think it's a flavor combination that's not trivial to fake.
Because it's such a great deep read. It requires absolute clarity and 0 paranoia - I myself would never be able to have such a read as Town or post such a read as scum out of fear of it being seen as TMI.
Reasong why this post is so fascinating for me is because it made me think of an idea that I never thought before - very strong players can, in games like this, just spit out a few "truths" like this in the early game and gain credibility for the rest of the game without it being suspicious.
Though I realize I'm the only one who holds such a high regard to this read. But can anyone quickly confirm that this read is well inside Alison's town range?
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c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:27 pm when @mansnicks provides that meta we're waiting on.
Mafia
Town
Mafia
Town -
Game onoing and I swapped out, but my slot is dead and flipped.
From the 5 MU games you provided, 1 is turbo 1 is hydra 1 is Ultra-Low Postcount Game.
I glanced over the other 2, though they were in November which isn't as recent as I'd have hoped. Disappointingly, neither of them are really that similar to your this game as I would've hoped for, while being similar between themselves. For example, in neither game you had or defended a strong townread like you do me this game. One game have to scroll far before first townread, the other has much more soft and much more rare.
Additionally, you were much more critical towards other players and more pushy than here atm.
That's not to say that I don't think you're playing in your town range here, as it's close enough. But I just had hoped I could be more sure about you after comparing them to you in this game.
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Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:19 pm
my expectation from a new player being accused, specifically with the flattering, overly joyful time mannsick had at the time, is further appeasement. "Sorry you got that impression but I'm town" kinda thing
Your expectation is wrong tbh. Opposite of what's normal, not taking WIFOM into account.
The natural subconscious reaction to a player accusing you of being scum when you are town is to view them as scum. This is because you know with certainty that you are Town and that if you were to be correctly read it should be identifiable. Your mind catastrophizes the interaction and jumps to the conclusion that the other player must therefore be scum.
(not that it matters because my reaction was neither what you expect nor what the Natural OMGUS is)
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Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:33 pm
what do people think of seanzies check in?
I see people giving them some town-leans. I don't get it.
I ISO'd seanzies - and I couldn't see anything even remotely not NAI. I guess other peoples reads on sneaz are meta based?
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Occam's razor forces me to conclude that @Esooa has Town paranoia of alignments/agendas and an incentive to game solve. Thinking anything sinister beyond is just foolish in my opinion. The purest towny in my book.
The same Occam's razor, though this is not nearly as strong, makes me think that @falcon45ca is being irrirated by being mafia, has no incentive to gamesolve, and has a Scum paranoia of people's reads/skills.
Also he has insecurities about hinmself due to his desire to berrate/shade others.
