The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:54 pm Much as I don’t see any reason to sleepwalk into another D1-2 Sig shrugyeet, I wouldn’t invoke dadv in this situation considering the number of ppl missing.

Spoiler: show

Also there are a handful of people naysaying the Sig yeet and Brad just moved from Sig to Seanzie. But I don’t scumread the players in question so whatever

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:48 pm If @sig won't come back and cast a vote to tie it up at least, then I just don't know.

How do you expect Sig to play as mafia or as town when he is in chop danger?

I kinda expect him to just not show up at eod regardless of alignment, lady’s man that he is.

Okay you said this post was wolfy but in a towny way. It isn't apparent to me what that means at all. Can you explain your brain function there?

So this is awkward. The post I was thinking of was actually TSP saying something about tumbling face first into a sig elim. It appears Jack parroted that idea in at least two posts using the "sleepwalking" thing, so I guess that just got my memory wires mixed up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:00 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.

Jack
Dunnstral
LanMisa

I guess LanMisa is something of a threadspewed townie. I have my doubts on the other two. Can you outline your reasoning?

I don't remember why on Dun, but Jack said something wolfy in a way that I think might actually be townie about us sleepwalking into a Sig elim.

Which was?

I'm on my phone in bed (should be asleep), so I'm not going to go search for a post. It was a shortpost, and I'd guess if you ctrl+f "sleep" in Jack's iso, it will be onvious which one.

'tis not a strong reason, but I don't have strong town fellz about anyone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:00 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.

Jack
Dunnstral
LanMisa

I guess LanMisa is something of a threadspewed townie. I have my doubts on the other two. Can you outline your reasoning?

I don't remember why on Dun, but Jack said something wolfy in a way that I think might actually be townie about us sleepwalking into a Sig elim.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:55 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

No.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.

Jack
Dunnstral
LanMisa

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja

Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.

Come talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?

I'm still backreading.

Regarding your entrance, you made rhyming one-liners and sold them as reads which means that a) we live in a bizarro-world where this is actual gameplay, b) your mind works in mysterious ways that are impossible for me to reach or c) it's a gimmick and as I expressed on other occasions I am not a fan of gimmicks.

If there was anything else I missed it, if there are more things after your coming back I will get to them soon.

I don't think that Lime has posted much since I went to bed yesterday so I mostly try to solve Lime based off on how people more familiar read Lime that I trust, like trying to figure out Creature's read.

I didn't make any rhymes. I just said "brad" a bunch of times, mostly with the word "something" somehow scattered in there.

It is actual gameplay, and if you don't understand it (which I don't blame you for, it wasn't really meant to be understood by others) I'd recommend asking me what I'm doing rather than just taking it for granted. You didn't ask, but... here it is:

Lime is someone that I feel I have a reasonably strong read on, and can figure them out quickly based on how they interact with me. I have caught him dead-to-rights rather quickly in the past, and so me pressuring him, even without anything specific, is a way I can get a handle on his alignment. If you don't understand what I'm doing, that is of little consequence to me since I was not concerned with people's read on me, but with my own reads. This makes little sense coming from Wolf!Seanzie, and total sense from town!Seanzie.

On the flipside, wolf!Seanzie never goes after Brad first. I've snowed Brad in pretty much every game I've been mafia while he is town. He sometimes suspects me late game, but usually that is only when it is too late (i.e. when I stop caring about how he sees me), or because it becomes mech-locked that him and I are a diff check. You could actually probably accurately tell if I'm scum in a game with town!Brad because at some point town!Brad will say something like "I really don't understand what's going on this game" or "I'm have no idea what direction we should go in". It makes no sense for wolf!Seanzie to go guns-blazing at lime out the gate like that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja

Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.

Come talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?

Ha! I was going to ask you the same question! (about Lime)

He dipped for 24 hours, when he came back he was deflated and making excuses about why he didn't have the energy to solve. Since then he hasn't been back in almost another 12 hours.

I think this fits perfectly with scum!Lime. He came in with some strong early activity, but got sussed, didn't respond well, got deflated, left, tried to kind of get back into it but couldn't. It's possible he's just off as town, but I think this is pretty strongly indicative of scum. Even people who aren't the best wolves can get bursts of activity in, but then they may struggle to keep it up if they don't make a comfortable spot for themselves in the thread.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja

Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.

Come talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pm Mac is ?probably? mafia, but I don't think he is a great D1 vote

That's a wild perspective. Why?

Which part are you asking about?

Why is Mac probably mafia? Him naked voting me, and not pushing me at all is bad.

Why is he not a good D1 vote? Because if I'm wrong, he can be a strong townie moving forward. In particular, any day 1 that has Mac/Seanzie wagons is probably a very bad day 1 for town.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:17 am

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:07 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:32 am I dunno what to do to generate discussion but I do think it's necessary here

Not really, let the players to catch up, the post cap is a real blessing for busy players.

If you want to ask anything, just do it, otherwise a silent thread it's not a bad one per se.

A silent thread benefits only wolfs

Or the ones of us who are busy with life as well and only got time to glance a look on occasion!

While I do understand the statement....what do you think the issue is, here? Are the wolves the low-/no-posting players? Are wolves in the middle and just content with the status quo? Are the wolves top-posters who run out of stuff to say due to the higher number of barely-shows?

I personally don't think that this game is in danger yet due to the heavy emphasis on mechanics, as far as I can tell; I've also been in games where too many posts ended up drowning out the really important discussions and nobody backread the clusterfuck of pages which ALSO heavily helped wolves. I'd personally love to see a few more interactions from the low-posters but... many other players feel rather readable already. But maybe that's just me.

This forum has a massive activity problem that leads to easy wolf wins you can not convince me otherwise and it is one of the reasons I'm convinced town win rates on the syndicate are an atrocity lately

Fair enough, I haven't played a game there before so I can't speak about that kind of experience. There are definitely a lot of slots whose low posting will make sorting a chore unless something changes. Then again as someone who got burned out in the past from the high posting requirements MU culture brings with it can see joy in playing a more laid-back game now and then... with the emphasis on play.

Sorry about my absence btw, I got a bit into a work frenzy I guess. Good news is that I am 2/3 done with my project and well on time to get it done by Friday as I had promised my students. Gonna read back for a bit.

Come real-time with me since you're the only person who has actually given a reason to vote me, and I think you're likely townie for it since it makes sense coming from someone who doesn't know me (yes, this is a pocket)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:26 pm Why Sig?

I don't really have a reason, other than that I feel better about a D1 Sig vote than a D1 Mac vote (I know I was voting Mac, but that was more earlier to draw attention to the fact that Mac is ?probably? mafia, but I don't think he is a great D1 vote)

Literally the number of people who have voted me for ??? reasons is bad.

Almost assuredly I go down here, so y'all should PROBABLY pressure each other to actually explain why you're voting for me. Regardless of what you think of my alignment, it would behoove town to ACTUALLY have something to read into on my wagon tomorrow.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:06 pm Is there an actual case for the Sean vote or what? Since I’m not seeing any reason for him to be a runaway wagon right now

There isn't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:35 pm While I am voting Mac, I really don't like how the wagons today have become me/Mac.

Very bad D1 wagons, lemme tell you.

Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

You’d consider me, eh? Haven’t seen that.

Here’s the thing Seanzie.

I haven’t seen any mention prior of you suspecting me, and the times you were in realtime with me and Lime Coke, you weren’t talking to me. Matter of fact, I find it odd in retrospect that you spent your first few posts just playing I spy with the letters BRAD without actually voting there. It almost feels like you are trying to retroactively making a name stick now that you’re lead wagon

I thought it was pretty clear when I called you out for townreading me based on me said "Brad" in creative ways that I was wary of you, but okay.

Also... I did vote Brad.

It "almost" feels like you're trying to retroactively push me to keep me a wagon.

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:35 pm Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

I'd be surprised if Lime is a wolf here tbh, it'd mean he has improved his wolfgame a lot compared to my mental conception of it.
I also think Scotty is more likely town than not but maybe im just a sucker considering Mac also sr'd him and i have 0 meta of them.
Epi is fine as a vote in my brain

Lime was considered to be very polarized for a long time, but he has had at least a few wolf games where he did well, and while I doubt he has become the world's best wolf, if you're going off old meta with him, you might be underestimating him.

Sig's a pretty meh D1 yeet, but meh... probably still better than me/Mac

While I am voting Mac, I really don't like how the wagons today have become me/Mac.

Very bad D1 wagons, lemme tell you.

Can we do Lime instead? I'd also consider Scotty, or maybe even Epi.

@Michelle

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:40 pm Something something, Brad, something.

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:23 am does seanzie bite?

Only if you ask nicely.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:20 am Sean, you were AFK, how could anyone interact with you?

Also Abi dipped after complaining and receiving from me a subject to talk about.

Inb4 she fell asleep, but still.. :/

Brad and I were in-thread at the same time, and I spent the better half of two hours trying to see if he would engage with me. He didn't.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:45 am I still think Lime is a reasonably likely hit, but I'm guessing y'all don't see it based on the fact that they aren't a runaway wagon even though y'all should just sheep me...

Tempted to lean towards wolf!Mac after reading Uhh... who was it that said stuff about Mac? I don't remember, but I thought they looked good, and Mac saying "no wolves have posted", then naked voting me actually really doesn't resonate well with me at all.

Why Lime? I don't recall seeing a reason, tho you've criticized your naked voters for not having reasons

Yeah, I doubt that I gave one.

So I'm a hypocrite, and so hypocritical that I still think Mac and Epi doing it looks bad for them, while me doing it is at best a NAI wash and at worst actually pretty darn townie for me (at least the WAY I did it, not necessarily the naked vote itself).

Anyways, since you asked, I think scum!Lime is scared of me. Him not engaging with me is most likely out of fear, and then his struggling to post yesterday and deflation coming in on the last page I think is possibly at least partly caused by that. Town!Lime doesn't really like me much, but he at least is willing to interact with me, at least to give him a sense of my alignment.

I still think Lime is a reasonably likely hit, but I'm guessing y'all don't see it based on the fact that they aren't a runaway wagon even though y'all should just sheep me...

Tempted to lean towards wolf!Mac after reading Uhh... who was it that said stuff about Mac? I don't remember, but I thought they looked good, and Mac saying "no wolves have posted", then naked voting me actually really doesn't resonate well with me at all.

So... Epi and Mac are both naked voting me, and then LanMisa is unhappy that I was gone for a while.

At least LanMisa had some sort of reason (and they don't know me, so they don't know just how townie my enterance was, so I forgive them for saying it was "meh"), but @Epignosis @MacDougall? Nah. Bad mojo.

*Check's thread*

*looks at votes*

yeah, no. Try again.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:12 am And to all who didn't greet me, a pox on your houses

Jokes on you, I LOVE pox.

Sadface Bradface...

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:15 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:12 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:11 am Whoops!

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:09 am If it's not clear yet, I don't particularly townread Lime Coke at the moment.

I'm also...not really joking when I think Seanzie is towny.

Long Con, can't tell yet. barely light town. puke green on my rainbow list, with a little yellow chunks thrown in there.

I'm not voting Dunnstral today. No idea on them yet. But even so, not voting for the newcomer to the site.

Why me?

You say much with little word

No I don't, try again, please.

Oh.
Uh

You say little with little word

Domething is a pretty big word.

I've focused on a single topic. You might agree with this topic, but in no way, shape, or form have I said a lot. Are you townreading me because I am said "brad" in creative ways? if not,

why me?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:12 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:11 am Whoops!

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:09 am If it's not clear yet, I don't particularly townread Lime Coke at the moment.

I'm also...not really joking when I think Seanzie is towny.

Long Con, can't tell yet. barely light town. puke green on my rainbow list, with a little yellow chunks thrown in there.

I'm not voting Dunnstral today. No idea on them yet. But even so, not voting for the newcomer to the site.

Why me?

You say much with little word

No I don't, try again, please.

Whoops!

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:09 am If it's not clear yet, I don't particularly townread Lime Coke at the moment.

I'm also...not really joking when I think Seanzie is towny.

Long Con, can't tell yet. barely light town. puke green on my rainbow list, with a little yellow chunks thrown in there.

I'm not voting Dunnstral today. No idea on them yet. But even so, not voting for the newcomer to the site.

Why me?

Why me?

[VOTE: Lime] aubergine Sorry, easy.

Something, Br, something, ad something something, something.

Bomething Romething Aomething Domething

Something something, Brad, something.

Something.