The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:33 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:32 pm I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well
did you read every message in this game?

I read 30 pages which included all of day 1 and early day 2
It's not exactly ideal but considering the fact I replaced in day 3 without having read anything prior I'd say I'm doing enough

Meh the more I think about it the more I realize I truly don't care
JI would like the three people voting me at this point (Vivax, Nanook, Ender) to actually explain why they're voting me other than OMGUS for being put in my PoE because I feel like you should all have better suspects

I will say that I think Nanook has been trying to position himself while Ender really hasn't from what I've gathered, in fact he hasn't done much of anything really
The not doing much of anything could be a scum indicator itself though I guess

I'd honestly go Nook over Ender purely because I have actual reasons to wolfread Nanook and I don't have reasons to wolfread Ender other than "him being a nullread for me after I read a non-insignificant part of the game is concerning" which is fair enough but also less coherent than what I have for Nanook

That said having better reasons for someone being a wolf doesn't necessarily mean they are a wolf so Ender is an okay choice as well

We are all OMGUSers at heart aren't we

Not gonna lie the sight of my entire PoE sitting on my wagon is deeply amusing to me but two of these people are town which is unfortunate

If this was referring to Ender then no he and Arctic are two different people
If this was about me then me and Arctic are also different people but funny you should say that as we played a hydra game together (which sucked but that's beside the point)

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

Honestly if Porscha was actually trying to save herself then I would've expected her to go in harder if she was actually pushing a villager but that's not super important

I don't feel like it means much to be honest and Porscha's way of talking about Ender in this instance doesn't make me feel like they're not W/W

I welcome discussion about this but the last 5 posts I wrote summarize my current stances quite well
I still want lucy to answer my question about Rondo

His shielding of Wilgy for the "posting in short bursts" thing also seems similar to what he did in a previous game with me where he was mafia and shielded a random lhf-y villager for similarly personalized reasons, presumably to make himself seem like he's actually solving

1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Currently thinking it's Nook but I don't have a compelling reason to think it's not Ender or Vivax (anymore)

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:24 pm Good luck lynching a town achro tbh I will bring the party streamers.

This is where I would post a joycat if I could

Seanzie is town off Porscha
Mac is town off everything
Lucy is town off Tommy
if I sheep Lucy on Rondo then Rondo is town too
Dizzy is towny on play imo
This literally just leaves Nanook, Ender, and Vivax

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:02 pm he’d never say that as scum, 100% unintentional clearing

@lucy Do you still believe Rondo wouldn't accuse Dizzy of bussing Tommy on day 1 if he was Tommy's partner and had TMI on Dizzy being town? I assume that's what the post was referring to based on context

Rondo has some good posts about flipped wolves but he also actively avoids pushing them when it matters from what I can tell without a VC history and based on just his posts
There was also that segment toward eod1 where mac questioned him about his reasoning for suspecting mac and he avoided answering by claiming he was at work then just never addressed it again I assume (on day 2)
If he did address it then fine ig but I didn't like that

I'm trying to solve the game but I keep reading about Syndicate fanfiction, people making out with each other and flirting itt

Meh I don't think Dizzy as a wolf decides to make bussing both their partners their day 1 agenda when at least Porscha was in a decent spot at the time

Oh I'm just testing the vote function since I'm new to FM

I was moreso interested in your order of strongest to weakest town because that's essentially what this would be in the current scenario

Dizzy can you give me a readlist

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:52 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
This post is kind of wild if it's about two partners

Because it's accusing two wolves and one of them of being wishy-washy but the post is pretty wishy-washy itself and reads like an extremely lame distancing attempt (which I guess it could be but lol)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha

This post is kind of wild if it's about two partners

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:40 pm Achro/Porscha not teamed

Rip

Idk why but Dizzy responding to my previous slot holder's suspicion of them with essentially "you can't wolfread me, you don't know me" got me to laugh

I think lucy's later posts about Tommy and their interaction are even more telling of lucy not being aligned with Tommy imo
Those would be some pretty good interactions if W/W

I really should change my signature but that's beside the point
When I have more thoughts I will provide them

I literally said I couldn't confidently clear lucy yesterday so if I'm grasping at straws it's because I want to narrow down the PoE

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:11 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:59 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:40 pm Putting any more pressure on Tommy given their content and status before getting a concrete summary from lucy of the type of player they are feels like wolfsiding tbh. Putting the manner aside of their actual alignment I feel as if this is a good chance for lucy to provide data for us on someone they know.

@lucy
they’re more aggressive than me, would push people D1 typically and send a lot of messages that are AI, this isn’t his play at all and i can’t protect him if he’s barely playing
I see. Thank you.

I look forward to the aggression when Tommy comes back. Unlike a couple of people I don't think this amount of time being gone is particularly noteworthy and they didn't strike me as the type to be frozen and crying in wolf chat.

Have you seen them wolf, Lucy?
they’re not the type to freeze up at all, the fact they didn’t talk all day yesterday is alarming imo, lots of ptsd from them so i can’t help but support their lynch

This looks good for lucy
Might seem like a pretty basic distancing/bussing post but I read it as fairly genuine especially since when you're in a position of authority on somebody's alignment and they're your wolf partner you can go the extra mile and try to make them look better instead of this
The "can't help but" part also seems genuine, like the "I feel bad about it but this is probably mafia" mindset you can be in as a villager and something you're less likely to write as a wolf because your TMI would make you less inclined to admit you feel guilty about wolfreading your partner

You make people Dizzy

Haha pocked

I'm kind of tempted to punt Nanook if he isn't a PR just to honor Achro's legacy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:18 am I feel like Mac was once in my sphere of influence, so I'm trying to annex him with an easy town read like the United States with Taiwan. I will also support him in his conflict with Seanzie.

I know this is a flipped villager but what the hell is this post

Not gonna lie reading page 15 my mind is like "Dizzy is town but I could be getting pocketed even though I wasn't even in the game at the time" and I resonate with Rondo expressing the same sentiment at that time which should make Rondo more likely town

I'm not sure if it'll be at all productive but I'm just going to keep reading the thread lol

I would find them in my ISO but there's no link in the OP and I don't know how to check that myself
I did use quotes when I originally made these arguments

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:57 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:43 am I agree with Wilgy's PoE
I would add Dizzy to it as a last resort
I also don't know who the wolf is because I've only read 15 pages of this game and I'm most likely not going to read 80 more
The people I've read in these 15 pages I think are town with decent confidence: Seanzie, Rondo, Vivax, Mac, Sabi (rip)

I know these reads are pretty static but I feel like I'm allowed to be lazy when coming into a game blindly that's been almost solved by the players here before me
Also can you breakdown your Seanzie and Vivax reads?

I think Seanzie was spewed by Porscha and I think Vivax's posting on day 1 that I could see coupled with him apparently contributing to Porscha's death day 2 should make him town probably

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:56 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:43 am Oh yeah I had a mild reason to think Wilgy's town as well I suppose
What reason is that?

I talked about it earlier but I think his interaction about Dizzy on the first page with I think Sabi (?) or someone else I can't remember felt like two villagers talking
It was with someone I currently have as town and I was correct the last time I made this read about two people so I'm using this logic again

Oh yeah I had a mild reason to think Wilgy's town as well I suppose

I agree with Wilgy's PoE
I would add Dizzy to it as a last resort
I also don't know who the wolf is because I've only read 15 pages of this game and I'm most likely not going to read 80 more
The people I've read in these 15 pages I think are town with decent confidence: Seanzie, Rondo, Vivax, Mac, Sabi (rip)

I know these reads are pretty static but I feel like I'm allowed to be lazy when coming into a game blindly that's been almost solved by the players here before me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 am It never makes sense to chop Wilgy tbh. Nanook is either town with a godread or mafia with TMI. Wilgy is an objectively bad chop through Nanook.

Can Nanook be wrong? Yes 1 in 6 times.

It's bad probability play. Either Nanook is a wolf with TMI or his read should be acknowledged. Anyone suspicious of Wilgy and not Nanook would need to have a seriously strong argument for why Nanook is wrong.

Agree.

I know I'm not as familiar with this game as everyone else, that's why I'm trying to play more of a support role and merely suggesting things / bringing stuff up instead of trying to force anything.

Fwiw I agree with Sabi in that Dizzy needs to be considered, but I'm also someone who only read 15 pages of this game and there's supposedly clearing stuff for Dizzy later in the game? I didn't find anything like that on the first 15 pages, but OK I guess?

I'm generally OK with Mac's POE but I'd genuinely kill Dizzy over Wilgy from what I've read.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:06 pm Well anyway my wim has expired. I think choosing to look at the Tommy stuff and not the porscha stuff day 1 is yeah biased tbh. Seeing what you want to see which is not a knock on your effort but yeah.

Are self votes valid? I want to see the game progress.

I'm not choosing to look at things, I'm going through the game chronologically and pointing stuff out as I see it.
Anyway, good night.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:18 am Tommy last posted 8 hours ago he probably went to sleep.

Tommy feels majorly sus LHF bait tbh and I don't like it.

Wolf equity is there but this many votes feels gross.

I think I'll stop backreading here (start of page 15) because I'm just going to get biased. I'm picking up on a lot of posts from Achro that are wrong in such specific ways they indicate informedness.

I'll keep reading tomorrow if I have time. Fwiw I'm maintaining the townreads I listed before. Not adding anyone, but also not removing anyone. Taking note of Mac's callout on Dizzy where he says that Dizzy came in just to bus Tommy; I currently don't believe that's the likeliest outcome but I will give it more attention if it turns out the game is harder than it appears.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:14 am I am now prepared to lazy TR axe
NANOOK is howling

Was that a joke as well?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:29 am FWIW I don't feel good about Porscha/Tommy being a team just based off the almost mocking way Porscha asked Tommy for their FM experience after Tommy was like 'oh Rondo is a player'

What are the odds of this being uninformed? It's just so specifically wrong... and it's also in a game context where he's pushing Porscha (who is mafia) and it would be better for his team to sow seeds of unpartnering between his two wolfmates before the first flip...

I'm really trying to give Achro the benefit of the doubt here, but a lot of his posts look pretty bad in light of the flips.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:12 am Town

Wilgy
Dizzy
Ender
Rondo
Sabi
Seanzie
Vivax

Nook/NAA are both different to Tommy

I am so tempted to just sheep Mac's reads.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:52 pm I think we're probably good unless mafia is in like Lucy, Vivax or Sean. Which it's not

Can't clear Lucy with complete comfort yet, got anything?

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