The Syndicate

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:52 pm Princess abi supposedly town for lack of playing-the-game yet being here for who-knows-what reason -- I say supposedly because I feel this sort of play just isn't really in the spirit of the game.

okay maybe this was a LITTLE uncharitable by me

but it doesn't feel like they actually want to be here at all and most of the stuff they say is token

I'm gonna be open tbh

I'm kiiiinda just hoping Stick is mafia.

Because I don't know who is other than just kicking inactives out.

DM I could maybe be wrong on, given that my read is on them being low-level-ish and that I have very limited experience with them, but I just don't want to consider that for possibly confirmation biased reasoning.

Baker lean town for raisins.

Princess abi supposedly town for lack of playing-the-game yet being here for who-knows-what reason -- I say supposedly because I feel this sort of play just isn't really in the spirit of the game.

Scotty is someone I lose to, same with DrWilgy.

Master Radishes had a decent enough entrance.

Long Con is just there. Idk what to make of him other than slightly leaning he's town because he was paying attention to wagons and saying how "good" they are.

Same case with Robyn. They've been so out of it I might dump my very old and worn early d1 read and throw it into the washing machine.

Garebare needs a care bear. The slot has more value as a random joke than as a player this game.

This ultimately (and perhaps very confirmation biasedly) ends up making me think it has to be someone mistakenly townread (such as Stick) otherwise we'd be onto a wolf by now or just have more confidences. Outside of the 25%(?, idk whats the actual %) chance that it's all in the people who I don't really have any towniness comming from.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

Baker's starting to lean into the same behaviors he had when he was mischopped d1 as a town once.

I am biased to believe it, but thought I would mention for the sake of others.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:38 pmI didn’t see it as willfully outing you as town at all. He mentioned me appealing to your authority, which doesn’t towntell you??

oh please enlighten me as to why wolves (assuming baker wolf) would make around-the-bout and indirect comments to each other about the other being manipulated by an appeal to authority or whatever

because an appeal to authority is just meaningless to wolves and wolves can't really be manipulated since they know everything -- only way this could remotely (and only remotely at that) make sense is if he was telling a wolf buddy about a way to flip a read on someone else but if that's the case why do it publicly or even just discuss it with them on the idea of pressuring scotty lol

if you think that's w/w then that's just your sucky opinion, because you would be supposing the wolves are playing bad or pointlessly in order to probably satisfy whatever bias you have

I…don’t think this is w/w? Maybe I don’t know what we’re actually talking about

Oh.

Well I think I just misinterpreted you. Sorry I was just grouchy from waking up to the thought of someone trying to connect me to baker and completely contradict my thoughts lol.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:38 pmI didn’t see it as willfully outing you as town at all. He mentioned me appealing to your authority, which doesn’t towntell you??

oh please enlighten me as to why wolves (assuming baker wolf) would make around-the-bout and indirect comments to each other about the other being manipulated by an appeal to authority or whatever

because an appeal to authority is just meaningless to wolves and wolves can't really be manipulated since they know everything -- only way this could remotely (and only remotely at that) make sense is if he was telling a wolf buddy about a way to flip a read on someone else but if that's the case why do it publicly or even just discuss it with them on the idea of pressuring scotty lol

if you think that's w/w then that's just your sucky opinion, because you would be supposing the wolves are playing bad or pointlessly in order to probably satisfy whatever bias you have

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:00 am Oh damn, the wagon I started is now leading. Probably means I'm wrong.

so.....you believe at least 1 wolf in me/wilgy for what reason?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:25 am frick it

[VOTE: Stick] aubergine

benefit of the doubt to baker

think it comes down to this, after formatting my thoughts to be more comprehensible:

I don't feel like anyone is really opposing a baker chop (or at least isn't impacting the thread enough to make that clear lol)

and two

baker came back with a bit of indirect sass towards me and others

frick it

[VOTE: Stick] aubergine

benefit of the doubt to baker

Chance I may have not worded that post well enough to communicate the whole idea.

If there's confusion/disagreement about what I said don't hesitate to angrily poke me about it.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:38 am are you very familiar with baker's wolf play? also theres so much supposition here and generalizations that im not sure what to make it outside like a stream of consciousness by townie MartinGG

I'm rather familiar with Baker's town play, somewhat less so with wolf play, but in general there's been a fair bit of variety from him from game to game and he's usually passionate about playing forum mafia as far as I know. Meta's had some level of influence in reading him (it frankly can't be helped since I probably have like 10+ games with him across the years, not including games where I have hosted and had him as player) but I wouldn't say you need meta to read him any more accurately right now.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:38 am Come again? believing someone is not wolf because they are choosing to sheep a lynch on a townie started most likely by another townie? if anything, thats best case scenario for a wolf; they can just hide behind the rest of the other voters, especially if the rest of the members in the bandwagon are town

its more that people who normally are invested into the game will not sheep because that's generally anti-fun or counter-intuitive to their enjoyment of the game -- they will either consciously or subconsciously gravitate away from sheeping because of that

I'd imagine more-so for wolves, so long as they aren't the type to low-post/low-effort, but maybe that's just my mistaken personal theory based upon not seeing sheeping very often (esp. by wolves) in my past games

Sheeping may be more likely when someone has limited time, as is I thought might be the case for Baker, but I would argue a wolf would be much more likely to lean on the argument and fact of IRL and to make minor contributions here or there rather than to sheep someone they "trust".

Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong or downright stupid on the theory though, Baker made a few-post thing about sheeping and kinda just stopped doing that. He hasn't really engaged with me directly or Robyn (people he considered sheeping or have sheeped) as of late to collaborate or work together. Add-in the suspicions of Scotty that he has, and his handling of that by mentioning me on the side, I am suspicious of baker right now.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:08 pm Also his poking at me about a supposed appeal by Scotty was just....like manipulative lol

upon reflection I'm not entirely sure if that makes it wolfy by Baker

because if Baker is wolf then that might as well be willfully outing that I'm town and I don't think a wolf would risk it in circumstances where I could be seen as a decent partner to them

wolves just don't theater like that lol, and there's a sliiight chance where Baker was just being genuine but happened to go about things in not-the-best-way

but I'll mull it over in the future as to whether thats just wolf baker making an oopsie or not

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:33 pm Longus Congus feels like they've lost momentum and that is strange to me.

fwiw when they said the wagon that formed on baker was good, I kinda felt like that observation reflected positively on Long Con

but that's probably just mostly my gut rather than me subconsciously detecting anything AI

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:08 pm Edit: I have to get off around this time for IRL reasons, but didn't think I would be taking this long. So you all have this partial post. I will be back in like ~4-4.5 hours or so. Guaranteed.

I'm caught up. Going to compile my thoughts.

I think Scotty and Wilgy both got a good handle on this game, and if they somehow don't they will soon.

[VOTE: Baker] aubergine

Baker's posts d2 have not been great and he didn't really continue his sheeping attitude, which makes me lean performative for him. Also his poking at me about a supposed appeal by Scotty was just....like manipulative lol. As if he thought I wouldn't believe him as much in his read unless he tried to manipulate me on some nit-pick.

Stick has dropped a bit for me, but not significant enough that I would vote them. Edit-while-writing: Will add more to this later.

I can imagine a towny perspective from DM, doesn't feel very in-depth and kinda low-level but they've been consistently that way with their posts I think and I find that believable.

More thoughts here when I come back.

I may have lost a few thoughts. But, anyways:

What sticks out to me about stick (sorry, legal obligation to make that once and its a crime that nobody this game has yet) as of late is that their interaction with me seemed weirdly suggestive earlier but unwilling to declare anything. They were more or less saying that I was having a selective perspective or take or whatever in the quote below, but don't really say anything of it other than some light probing. No saying I'm scummy or anything like that. That doesn't occur till they get "performative wolf vibes" from me later with respect to my reaction to Scotty's "crazy" comment. If I wanted to stretch this further, it felt like something a wolf might do if they see potential opportunities to renege on a townread but don't necessarily want to just yet.

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:49 am [Snipped by martin] what if abbi is a wolf? you dont seem to consider that world here, because in w!abbi worlds wolves wouldve jumped on any counter wagon imo

Upon thorough-er reading I think Master Radishes is decently good. Mild town, though I kinda feel like he's constructing his posts a bit (see 428 , 430, and 433 and consider the timing of what he is quoting across these posts) but displaying them sorta as if they were real-time. I think its ultimately fine, as I think we're all guilty of constructing our posts from time to time as any alignment so that we can make a point, but it does worry me a bit.

Edit: I have to get off around this time for IRL reasons, but didn't think I would be taking this long. So you all have this partial post. I will be back in like ~4-4.5 hours or so. Guaranteed.

I'm caught up. Going to compile my thoughts.

I think Scotty and Wilgy both got a good handle on this game, and if they somehow don't they will soon.

[VOTE: Baker] aubergine

Baker's posts d2 have not been great and he didn't really continue his sheeping attitude, which makes me lean performative for him. Also his poking at me about a supposed appeal by Scotty was just....like manipulative lol. As if he thought I wouldn't believe him as much in his read unless he tried to manipulate me on some nit-pick.

Stick has dropped a bit for me, but not significant enough that I would vote them. Edit-while-writing: Will add more to this later.

I can imagine a towny perspective from DM, doesn't feel very in-depth and kinda low-level but they've been consistently that way with their posts I think and I find that believable.

More thoughts here when I come back.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:09 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:06 pm Idk doods. It's kinda awkward as the no kill and a town protection role already being dead does, if slightly, increase the chance for the wolves to just be afk lol

Ooo. Not a bad point.

Are we assuming Lord Protector is a protection role, or was that explicitly laid out?

can protect against a single kill, do a cop check, cause two eliminations for a single day phase, tiebreaker

general potential mayhem for wolves (or town if double-elimination goes awry), but regardless very powerful role given the combo of things and would be even more powerful if there was another protective to protect it while doing a check

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:03 pm Are we gonna talk about the no kill actually? Do we think we have another protective or do we think wolves are asleep?

I'd say we prob have 1-2 more PRs but idk if they would be protectives. There's a chance, but its not certain.

The Lord Protector is a very powerful role, so it prob creates significant swing if they die. A way to counteract that swing is to not put all your eggs in one basket. However having another protective to protect said lord protector would potentially wreck a wolf game of this size if the stars align.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:26 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:11 am is baker just omgusing scotty tho lmao. i so agree with baker that scotty assuming a pure wagon on falcon is outside the realm of possibilities is a bit of an unhinged take but i dont see the problem with the rest of those posts really

I think it’s more that Martin came into the thread today with the basic viewpoint that everyone not on that wagon was suspect. Like, to immediately believe that was a pure wagon is absolutely a strange, unsubstantiated assumption

I was on it as one of the voters and I believed that Baker was likely town based on the fact he offered to sheep -- I can dive into this more if you'd like, it wouldn't really involve meta. So then the task became figuring out if either (or both) of Stick and Wilgy was a wolfy. That's just two people, and as I said before I kinda just felt at the time if they were wolves then they were wolfing together (this view has changed since then, but its what I had at the time).

Is it really so hard to believe that I had such a viewpoint? Regardless of how substantiated or unsubstantiated you think it is?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:24 pm What's the norm around here?

to be clear this is more @ general

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 am wolves would feel bound to correct someone reading them on those grounds so as to not come off as opportunistic about accepting naked townreads on them, whereas villagers generally dont actually care about these things that early in the game and ignore it/accept the read in a nonserious way

Honestly thought it was the other way around, solvy towns would know what's nai or (what they think is) most towny about themselves and contest/analyze bad reads on them in order to see if the person who read them was actually solving

Guess that might vary from site to site. What's the norm around here?

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:58 am ok i know i just said i had a townlean on you but this is giving performative wolf vibes again im sorry flsdfl

Eh, sure. Whatever. I'm just a guy who constantly self-reflects so if there's something said about me that rubs me the wrong way internally then I end up feeling like I have to address it even if I got no real reason to do so.

Not many people are like me. Ironically, this post in-of-itself is a display of that.

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:49 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:34 pm also I don't really feel like DrWilgy tried to take advantage of the situation wherein a wolf might since they would know falcon to be town

can you elaborate on this? do you think wolves wouldve tmi'd falcon there/tried to white knight them? what if abbi is a wolf? you dont seem to consider that world here, because in w!abbi worlds wolves wouldve jumped on any counter wagon imo

I didn't really consider the wolf abbi world because it seemed to not generate any useful & specific insights -- sure, the wolves could've tried saving X or Y person in so-and-so saving situation. But often times the list of possible suspects is rather large and furthermore since it would be an associative hinging on someone wolf (rather than someone town) it could be shaky at best. Betting on someone being town (or imagining what should've happened if someone was town) is just easier to work with.

In other words: The conclusion that "in w!abbi worlds wolves wouldve jumped on any counter wagon" doesn't really advance anything at all, is therefore useless, and I think that conclusion is probably the most you can get out of assuming a wolf abbi at this moment. Assuming what would've happened if they were town is more useful, both for figuring if they were wolf and where the wolves are if they are indeed town.

But honestly I'm kinda past all this discussion of the wagon and everything at this point. I just really wanted to engage with scotty and discussion of the wagon so I could sort out Scotty and possibly Abbi, and I ended up getting more than I aimed for by recognizing Wilgy as town too based on Wilgy's interactions with Scotty and vice versa.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:59 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:15 pm Allowed postcaps:

Stick 127
MartinGG99 117
DrWilgy 114
Scotty 112
Long Con 111
baker 104
☆Princess Abigail☆ 103
robyn 100
Master Radishes 94
Garebare2468 90
DarlingMonroe 89

Abbi low posting moment

tbh I completely forgot post-caps exist, good to keep in mind

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:35 am you sus wilgy yet are voting w/ him for 2 consecutive days... sure... AKA huge red flag

so when you start townreading me later upon re-evaluation it'll be a red-flag for you?

That is, assuming you evaluate people beyond a single nit-pick. If you don't do that I don't see you ever changing on me.

baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:06 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it

do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?

you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective

Noteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservation

I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

I can see w!Scotty making this post in hopes of throwing a possible LHF Abi under the bus and Abi could be either alignment here. This is not a post many town can make. There is a negotiation here with an appeal to authority(Martin).

this seems like a preety unfavorable take

in that I kinda feel like its just assuming the worst possible interpretation of the post

like even if I assume scotty scum here I don't really find everything here substantiated lol

[VOTE: DM] aubergine

while I wait for more people to weigh in on the game and totally not an excuse to keep playing games for now till sometime in a few hours or later IRL tomorrow idk

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:03 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:43 pm So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s either
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread

I think it’s B

I didn't really think of B honestly, preety reasonable. More of a threat-analysis kinda approach.

Which I respect in hindsight tbh, iirc Falcon is generally regarded by others as potentially easy town clear. Or at least he was years ago when I actively played here.

I didn't really factor in that though when voting him. To me he could've been WIFOMing all day.

Since it seems to be unclear to some people, my opinion of almost everyone is in flux. I'm not clearing anyone, except robyn maaaybe baker.

I'd only vote the guy if the thread thinks its best to flip him, or if I find too many people to be towny. Robyn I still feel the same about from d1.

Maybe I should make a reads list sometime later this day phase if I feel like it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:48 pm This is interesting, because your read on my interactions with the Stick slot is pretty spot on.

Stick early on was the only person to inquire about the pattern of 4 I had pointed out, but also triggered my tin foil as Scotty had noticed when inquiring.

Further, I left their inquiry without result wondering if others would see what I saw. This put stick on my "let them cook" list and left it there.

Reading this whole page again, and this response, I'm coming to the conclusion that you + scotty could be town together

and that Stick could maybe be independently wolf, half of what stood out to me of that read on you is that I strongly felt like it was a copy-and-pasted style of townread I sometimes see in games where you townread over something very simple

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:43 pm So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:41 pm no I mean if one of them is a wolf the other is too

also meant that if baker is a wolf then I'm taking a big L to him

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:08 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:43 pm scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

What does that mean to say the combo of stick and Wilgy are mafia but not independently? You mean like different teams?

no I mean if one of them is a wolf the other is too

its kinda just a feeling

but also in particular these two posts seemed stinky when I read back one time, in that I sorta felt like they were treating each other differently from everyone else

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:18 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:16 am Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

like i am probably unironically just going to townread this even tho it's the easiest post in the world to fake

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:20 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:15 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:40 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:12 pm Also 1 in Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker.

Easiest read of my life.

haha why these 3 specifically?

There's 4 in that list

Hey go easy on him, Sticks aren’t known around the forest for their mathematics

But that is perplexing…tinfoil there exists that stick saw their partner and unconsciously left them out.
More likely however is stick didn’t realize MR was a player

more that i didnt really register the names but saw a list and wondered how wilgy decided there had to be 1 in them specifically


so yeah i cant count, basically


wilgy ignoring my question is NOTED though. i will remember this when im deciding my night kill tomorrow

If I give the answers away immediately, how am I to remain obscure and mysterious?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:06 pm I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

nah its just me being desperate in solving

I re-wrote my response to this a few times now, so honestly I'm not too sure myself, but I kinda felt like if you were town and abbi was town then it would seem like a preety decent place for mafia land themselves there. Especially when the abbi wagon had existed for almost the entire day, and nobody other than you and falcon ever poked them with a vote I believe. Which implies either mafia has a strategy w.r.t them (more on that below) or that abbi is mafia I think.

Like lets assume your belief about the mafia's behavior for d1 to be true. Why hasn't anybody parked a vote on Abbi for a single moment to create, idk, "pressure" wherein they were just using that an excuse to idle on d1 or something like that as their way of going along with the wind? The whole thread was having activity issues after all. In the case of town abbi, would suggest that the mafia either couldn't or didn't want to land on Abbi (like, say, have townread abbi before or considered white knighting if things went worse) or that mafia specifically wanted a non-abbi player dead?

If I flip to assume mafia abbi, why didn't more votes land on them? Although thinking this through more and what you said there doesn't seem to be any meaningfully specific conclusions.

my thoughts were kinda like all of that

but from the sounds of it your instincts aren't really telling you much about it so (again, assuming you're town) I'm possibly just being stupid here and making fantasy solves or making solves through fantasy ways

also, like

re "crazy"

I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia

right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant

contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out

maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:43 pm scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

Stick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm @baker @Stick @DrWilgy @MartinGG99


i hope you guys sat down and reflected on your actions overnight

unfortunately, I am several years into my mafia career and so am not so prone to being guilt-ridden by mistakes

regardless though I partially stand by on my actions because I don't think Falcon took showing himself to be town seriously

forum mafia is more than about solving, even if you have the perfect solve you still have to convince people about why you're town, why X is bad, counteract WIFOM issues, etc etc etc

also, worst comes to worse, we'll have some wagon shifting to look at if we presume the wolves cared about appearances

Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it

do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?

you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:32 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:25 pm especially since, uh, we may have voted one off recently

Yea. We

you saying that with your avatar now makes it look like you're giving me a death stare

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:56 pm Rip Falcs.

Sad, was hoping to play more with them.

Oh well. Gl gl.

I'm going to make an executive decision and town-lean this

because DrWilgy's vote had been on falcon in the past and if anything it seemed like DrWilgy's goal was to interact with Falcon more, had Falcon shown up more

also I don't really feel like DrWilgy tried to take advantage of the situation wherein a wolf might since they would know falcon to be town

its not much but frankly I feel kinda confident about it, which is nice since I rarely have a solid opportunity to be confident about wilgy

especially since, uh, we may have voted one off recently

aw come on

I was hoping I would die so I can focus on stuff I got from the holidays and not have to deal with our thread activity issue

would have more to say but I think its best to not really discuss the lack of night kill in order to avoid showing who's our power roles

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:57 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:57 pm good work team, this will surely flip mafia

That would be a nice Xmas gift.

aw shucks

since this is going to flip a town I'll have to NK myself tonight as a gift now

happy holidays everyone!

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:45 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:45 pm martin might be the most obvious villager in the game rn

Why, because he's telling us he's hesitant about the easy wagon?

A lot of people here are easy wagons bud -_-

Or at least could be made into vanity wagons

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:42 pm scotty kinda fell off imo, but wouldnt vote them today


why falcon, martin?

They were here for d1 but not n0 for completely leisurely posts, and their last post was a single post 3 hours after their post before that. No note of being busy or anything. They're not really doing anything and at the very least I want to pressure them to do more.

MR has champs finals experience and so from a pragmatic viewpoint I think he'll contribute positively next day phase regardless of alignment, and we'll be able to fine-tune our reads on him then

I don't have the same expectations of Falcon, nor do I feel he's town.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:38 pm I think I've made up my mind and want to vote between Master Radishes and Falcon45ca, leaning falcon.

There's a couple of people I'm looking forward to for d2, including Master Radishes.

I'm also witholding on Abbi because I feel the stagnation on their wagon is of note somehow and might be worth looking into in the future. Or I want to mull it over in my head more and there isn't enough time here. Okay, I actually don't know but I'm trying to put something down to look like I know how to solve the game.

Do wish they did something to generate/encourage content from others instead of complaining dead thread and lack of reads that they can make aside from the one they made at the start about Stick.

baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:37 pm When is the EoD anyway

22 minutes

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:26 pm has baker even posted anything AI lmfao

in my experience its very rare for a wolf wanting to sheep / offering to sheep on d1 unless they have a playstyle tendency for that / low-effort

bakermir does not have that, and he's originally from my homesite as well as someone I've played quite a bit with, so I'm fairly sure there's little room for error on that

separately

I think I've made up my mind and want to vote between Master Radishes and Falcon45ca, leaning falcon.

There's a couple of people I'm looking forward to for d2, including Master Radishes.