Wolfwalkers Deireadh (ENDGAME)

[MartinGG99]

Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it

do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?

you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective

[Scotty]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

[Scotty]

But I think it'll be hard to parse.

My no yeet list is:
Scotty, Stick, LC, Martin. Pick someone who's not them.

I’m sorry but this reads like TMI with a pinch of pepper.

[MartinGG99]

@baker @Stick @DrWilgy @MartinGG99


i hope you guys sat down and reflected on your actions overnight

unfortunately, I am several years into my mafia career and so am not so prone to being guilt-ridden by mistakes

regardless though I partially stand by on my actions because I don't think Falcon took showing himself to be town seriously

forum mafia is more than about solving, even if you have the perfect solve you still have to convince people about why you're town, why X is bad, counteract WIFOM issues, etc etc etc

also, worst comes to worse, we'll have some wagon shifting to look at if we presume the wolves cared about appearances

[MartinGG99]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

[DrWilgy]

Haha. Got em.

[MartinGG99]

also, like

re "crazy"

I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia

right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant

contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out

maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever

[Scotty]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!

I give this vote a B-

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine i wont stop a falcon wagon tho

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

ok ill consolidate here lol

I give this vote a C-, borderline F.

Voting a wagon while hedging a town? Makes me just want to townread LC by association with this vote.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

please don't die martin

these wolves will rip me apart!!!

I give this vote a C- as well.
I don’t know baker as a player, but this screams performative, and not in the one winning any awards

[VOTE: Falc] aubergine I've missed you buddy

I give this vote a B+
Being that it was the initial vote and stayed there for the last 2 hours of the day, while Wilgy was involved and present, is not incredibly suspicious.

Gotta be honest, I came into today based on backreading comments at end of day wanting Wilgy’s head, but I don’t think his vote on that wagon is the most suspicious after looking at the votes in iso.

Baker had seemingly no reason to vote falcon based on what’s shown. It could be said Stick was just looking to ‘consolidate their vote’ which is a towny quality in binary terms, but the post voting for LC while shrugging about the falcon vote was super weird to me.

[DrWilgy]

Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.

Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.

My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.

Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.

Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.

Weird implying I was part of the pile on.

10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter

Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?

[Scotty]

Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it

do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?

you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective

Noteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservation

I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

[DrWilgy]

@baker @Stick @DrWilgy @MartinGG99


i hope you guys sat down and reflected on your actions overnight

Homie just @'ed themself

[DrWilgy]

But I think it'll be hard to parse.

My no yeet list is:
Scotty, Stick, LC, Martin. Pick someone who's not them.

I’m sorry but this reads like TMI with a pinch of pepper.

Oh do tell why?

[Scotty]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

What does that mean to say the combo of stick and Wilgy are mafia but not independently? You mean like different teams?

[DrWilgy]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

Where did a stick/Wilgy dichotomy come from?

[Scotty]

also, like

re "crazy"

I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia

right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant

contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out

maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever

Not discounting participation, but to flat out imply you’re townreading everyone that voted with you is crazy.

That being said, @Garebear2468 and @DarlingMonroe we need more from you today if we’re going to actually win this. Unless you are exactly the mafia

[Scotty]

Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.

Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.

My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.

Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.

Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.

Weird implying I was part of the pile on.

10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter

Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?

You weren’t. You started it- I clarified in my next post.

I think you came out of that looking townier, which is annoying because I really thought I had you

[Scotty]

Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.

Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.

My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.

Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.

Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.

Weird implying I was part of the pile on.

10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter

Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?

Oh
And
Reason I don’t think it’s 9v3 is that’s inherently skewed against town. In general, optimal balance in a game with 1 faction is ~20% minority.

9v3 means 25%, which would require some powerful town roles and mafia to be basically vanilla. Looking at falcon’s role, that’s definitely possible- his role didn’t look overtly powerful, but had some variable powers nonetheless
10v2 is ~16.7% which is a challenge for mafia, but it’s easier to manage with a couple powerful PRs in the informed minority, and only a handful of town PRs.

[Scotty]

But I think it'll be hard to parse.

My no yeet list is:
Scotty, Stick, LC, Martin. Pick someone who's not them.

I’m sorry but this reads like TMI with a pinch of pepper.

Oh do tell why?

It felt like you just listed the most active players, which if I know you, you tend to prefer voting for players that have posts so we can learn from them.

If you’re bad, you probably listed your partner in there somewhere.

I don’t feel like you’re bad on your awesome falcon vote tho lol

[DrWilgy]

Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.

Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.

My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.

Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.

Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.

Weird implying I was part of the pile on.

10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter

Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?

You weren’t. You started it- I clarified in my next post.

I think you came out of that looking townier, which is annoying because I really thought I had you

I noticed. Didn't have time to retract.

It's ok. I think I have me too all the time.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: baker] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

But I think it'll be hard to parse.

My no yeet list is:
Scotty, Stick, LC, Martin. Pick someone who's not them.

I’m sorry but this reads like TMI with a pinch of pepper.

Oh do tell why?

It felt like you just listed the most active players, which if I know you, you tend to prefer voting for players that have posts so we can learn from them.

If you’re bad, you probably listed your partner in there somewhere.

I don’t feel like you’re bad on your awesome falcon vote tho lol

Kinda did.

Gamestate calls for leaving the "solving players" alive in the moment. Baker or DM probably would've been better picks if not equivalent.

Stick is on there because they at least asked the correct question about my early lists and that's worth something. Figured I'd see if those questions lead somewhere.

LC is on there because they died so early in Ted Lasso and I didn't wanna see it happen again lol.

Also there's a big difference between a small poster and a 0 poster methinks.

[Scotty]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

[robyn]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

yes, bad timing, i don't wanna play while intoxicated but i've had a few beers + 2 shots

(i want to post but maybe no posting while drinking will limit my drinking)

[MartinGG99]

I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

nah its just me being desperate in solving

I re-wrote my response to this a few times now, so honestly I'm not too sure myself, but I kinda felt like if you were town and abbi was town then it would seem like a preety decent place for mafia land themselves there. Especially when the abbi wagon had existed for almost the entire day, and nobody other than you and falcon ever poked them with a vote I believe. Which implies either mafia has a strategy w.r.t them (more on that below) or that abbi is mafia I think.

Like lets assume your belief about the mafia's behavior for d1 to be true. Why hasn't anybody parked a vote on Abbi for a single moment to create, idk, "pressure" wherein they were just using that an excuse to idle on d1 or something like that as their way of going along with the wind? The whole thread was having activity issues after all. In the case of town abbi, would suggest that the mafia either couldn't or didn't want to land on Abbi (like, say, have townread abbi before or considered white knighting if things went worse) or that mafia specifically wanted a non-abbi player dead?

If I flip to assume mafia abbi, why didn't more votes land on them? Although thinking this through more and what you said there doesn't seem to be any meaningfully specific conclusions.

my thoughts were kinda like all of that

but from the sounds of it your instincts aren't really telling you much about it so (again, assuming you're town) I'm possibly just being stupid here and making fantasy solves or making solves through fantasy ways

[DrWilgy]

Consolidating votes for personal use on mobile sucks.

D1 Mid
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Martin, Garebare, Stick
Falcon: Wilgy
Baker: MR, Baker

D1 EoD
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Garebare
Falcon: Martin, Wilgy, Stick, Baker
Wilgy: LC
Baker: MR
Missing: Robyn, DM, Abigail

[DrWilgy]

Interesting movement as 2 from LC moved to Falcon.

Leads me to think that there's no W/W in Stick and Martin.

Also means that it was unlikely an Abi save as Abi wasn't in the lead during the earlier wagon.

Lastly, LC doesn't necessarily look to have been saved either as the players that jumped on Falc were on LC initially... Unless it's just Baker/LC, but that doesn't feel right.

[MartinGG99]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

What does that mean to say the combo of stick and Wilgy are mafia but not independently? You mean like different teams?

no I mean if one of them is a wolf the other is too

its kinda just a feeling

but also in particular these two posts seemed stinky when I read back one time, in that I sorta felt like they were treating each other differently from everyone else

Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

like i am probably unironically just going to townread this even tho it's the easiest post in the world to fake

Also 1 in Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker.

Easiest read of my life.

haha why these 3 specifically?

There's 4 in that list

Hey go easy on him, Sticks aren’t known around the forest for their mathematics

But that is perplexing…tinfoil there exists that stick saw their partner and unconsciously left them out.
More likely however is stick didn’t realize MR was a player

more that i didnt really register the names but saw a list and wondered how wilgy decided there had to be 1 in them specifically


so yeah i cant count, basically


wilgy ignoring my question is NOTED though. i will remember this when im deciding my night kill tomorrow

If I give the answers away immediately, how am I to remain obscure and mysterious?

[MartinGG99]

no I mean if one of them is a wolf the other is too

also meant that if baker is a wolf then I'm taking a big L to him

[DrWilgy]

I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

nah its just me being desperate in solving

I re-wrote my response to this a few times now, so honestly I'm not too sure myself, but I kinda felt like if you were town and abbi was town then it would seem like a preety decent place for mafia land themselves there. Especially when the abbi wagon had existed for almost the entire day, and nobody other than you and falcon ever poked them with a vote I believe. Which implies either mafia has a strategy w.r.t them (more on that below) or that abbi is mafia I think.

Like lets assume your belief about the mafia's behavior for d1 to be true. Why hasn't anybody parked a vote on Abbi for a single moment to create, idk, "pressure" wherein they were just using that an excuse to idle on d1 or something like that as their way of going along with the wind? The whole thread was having activity issues after all. In the case of town abbi, would suggest that the mafia either couldn't or didn't want to land on Abbi (like, say, have townread abbi before or considered white knighting if things went worse) or that mafia specifically wanted a non-abbi player dead?

If I flip to assume mafia abbi, why didn't more votes land on them? Although thinking this through more and what you said there doesn't seem to be any meaningfully specific conclusions.

my thoughts were kinda like all of that

but from the sounds of it your instincts aren't really telling you much about it so (again, assuming you're town) I'm possibly just being stupid here and making fantasy solves or making solves through fantasy ways

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

[Scotty]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

yes, bad timing, i don't wanna play while intoxicated but i've had a few beers + 2 shots

(i want to post but maybe no posting while drinking will limit my drinking)

Nah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!

Any of your reads change from yesteryear?

[DrWilgy]

scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare

think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better

mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then

You’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.

I think I need to sort you

off the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independently

but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal

What does that mean to say the combo of stick and Wilgy are mafia but not independently? You mean like different teams?

no I mean if one of them is a wolf the other is too

its kinda just a feeling

but also in particular these two posts seemed stinky when I read back one time, in that I sorta felt like they were treating each other differently from everyone else

Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

like i am probably unironically just going to townread this even tho it's the easiest post in the world to fake

Also 1 in Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker.

Easiest read of my life.

haha why these 3 specifically?

There's 4 in that list

Hey go easy on him, Sticks aren’t known around the forest for their mathematics

But that is perplexing…tinfoil there exists that stick saw their partner and unconsciously left them out.
More likely however is stick didn’t realize MR was a player

more that i didnt really register the names but saw a list and wondered how wilgy decided there had to be 1 in them specifically


so yeah i cant count, basically


wilgy ignoring my question is NOTED though. i will remember this when im deciding my night kill tomorrow

If I give the answers away immediately, how am I to remain obscure and mysterious?

This is interesting, because your read on my interactions with the Stick slot is pretty spot on.

Stick early on was the only person to inquire about the pattern of 4 I had pointed out, but also triggered my tin foil as Scotty had noticed when inquiring.

Further, I left their inquiry without result wondering if others would see what I saw. This put stick on my "let them cook" list and left it there.

[DrWilgy]

Further, to explain the pattern I noticed previously, those 4 (I think it was Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker) had all entered thread with some sort of 'Ill be busy this cycle' Slanky cover.

While thin, I don't immediately think wolves would enter threads in a similar fashion, but I'd never hedge the game on a pattern like this.

[Scotty]

I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.

This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?

nah its just me being desperate in solving

I re-wrote my response to this a few times now, so honestly I'm not too sure myself, but I kinda felt like if you were town and abbi was town then it would seem like a preety decent place for mafia land themselves there. Especially when the abbi wagon had existed for almost the entire day, and nobody other than you and falcon ever poked them with a vote I believe. Which implies either mafia has a strategy w.r.t them (more on that below) or that abbi is mafia I think.

Like lets assume your belief about the mafia's behavior for d1 to be true. Why hasn't anybody parked a vote on Abbi for a single moment to create, idk, "pressure" wherein they were just using that an excuse to idle on d1 or something like that as their way of going along with the wind? The whole thread was having activity issues after all. In the case of town abbi, would suggest that the mafia either couldn't or didn't want to land on Abbi (like, say, have townread abbi before or considered white knighting if things went worse) or that mafia specifically wanted a non-abbi player dead?

If I flip to assume mafia abbi, why didn't more votes land on them? Although thinking this through more and what you said there doesn't seem to be any meaningfully specific conclusions.

my thoughts were kinda like all of that

but from the sounds of it your instincts aren't really telling you much about it so (again, assuming you're town) I'm possibly just being stupid here and making fantasy solves or making solves through fantasy ways

I just feel like the easiest conclusion is, if it’s a game of 2 mafia like I’m currently assuming, they’re probably more scattered and don’t need to settle on anyone unnecessarily that would make them stand out.

I should also note that I don’t think 2 mafia would nakedly vote together on falcon. That’s based on gut, but it just makes sense to me, and making sense makes sense to me.

[MartinGG99]

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

[robyn]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

yes, bad timing, i don't wanna play while intoxicated but i've had a few beers + 2 shots

(i want to post but maybe no posting while drinking will limit my drinking)

Nah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!

Any of your reads change from yesteryear?

i think your vote on baker is disgusting and i think martin shouldn't clear stick unless she claims attacked and protected (which she might have hinted at?). i think that i wigly is putting the most effort into this game than any other game i've seen him play. which either means wigly is mafia or he hates his family. and honestly i'm 100% certain he hates his family/his kids aren't letting him sleep LOLLLLLL

[DrWilgy]

Baker > Abigail > DM is my preferred vote as it stands.

Will vote out of line with Scotty though. [VOTE: DM] aubergine

[Scotty]

Consolidating votes for personal use on mobile sucks.

D1 Mid
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Martin, Garebare, Stick
Falcon: Wilgy
Baker: MR, Baker

D1 EoD
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Garebare
Falcon: Martin, Wilgy, Stick, Baker
Wilgy: LC
Baker: MR
Missing: Robyn, DM, Abigail

See, now this is a view i was hoping for.

That Long Con switch off is suuuure something. I don’t even think I suspect LC specifically, but is that an organic jump off or a save situation? Dunno yet

[Scotty]

Interesting movement as 2 from LC moved to Falcon.

Leads me to think that there's no W/W in Stick and Martin.

Also means that it was unlikely an Abi save as Abi wasn't in the lead during the earlier wagon.

Lastly, LC doesn't necessarily look to have been saved either as the players that jumped on Falc were on LC initially... Unless it's just Baker/LC, but that doesn't feel right.

Oh hi, you have similar thoughts

What do you make of 3 people not even voting?

[DrWilgy]

Consolidating votes for personal use on mobile sucks.

D1 Mid
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Martin, Garebare, Stick
Falcon: Wilgy
Baker: MR, Baker

D1 EoD
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Garebare
Falcon: Martin, Wilgy, Stick, Baker
Wilgy: LC
Baker: MR
Missing: Robyn, DM, Abigail

See, now this is a view i was hoping for.

That Long Con switch off is suuuure something. I don’t even think I suspect LC specifically, but is that an organic jump off or a save situation? Dunno yet

Yeah it's weird.

The two that were on didn't need to be, nor did they need to jump off lol.

Like, unless an early distancing vote was going wrong? I haven't looked into that yet.

[Scotty]

Further, to explain the pattern I noticed previously, those 4 (I think it was Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker) had all entered thread with some sort of 'Ill be busy this cycle' Slanky cover.

While thin, I don't immediately think wolves would enter threads in a similar fashion, but I'd never hedge the game on a pattern like this.

I somehow feel like I’m coming to conclusions in this game with whimsical ‘wolves wouldn’t use symmetry’ logic and I’m not sure why I’m thinking that way across the board

Probably all that mulled wine

[DrWilgy]

Interesting movement as 2 from LC moved to Falcon.

Leads me to think that there's no W/W in Stick and Martin.

Also means that it was unlikely an Abi save as Abi wasn't in the lead during the earlier wagon.

Lastly, LC doesn't necessarily look to have been saved either as the players that jumped on Falc were on LC initially... Unless it's just Baker/LC, but that doesn't feel right.

Oh hi, you have similar thoughts

What do you make of 3 people not even voting?

Unknown.

DM was decently slankier as wolf, BUT was very good about voting and vote timing.

I don't know if I could take any data from the other missing votes.

[DrWilgy]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

yes, bad timing, i don't wanna play while intoxicated but i've had a few beers + 2 shots

(i want to post but maybe no posting while drinking will limit my drinking)

Nah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!

Any of your reads change from yesteryear?

i think your vote on baker is disgusting and i think martin shouldn't clear stick unless she claims attacked and protected (which she might have hinted at?). i think that i wigly is putting the most effort into this game than any other game i've seen him play. which either means wigly is mafia or he hates his family. and honestly i'm 100% certain he hates his family/his kids aren't letting him sleep LOLLLLLL

Have we really not played a game together where I've been the active one? Weird.

I'm pretty sure I say this all the time, but my presence is strictly always related to free time and thread speed. This game has been slow so far.

[Scotty]

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s either
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread

I think it’s B

[DrWilgy]

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s either
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread

I think it’s B

And the player they took out with more of a handle on the thread was Falc?

[Scotty]

Literally forgot Robyn was playing this game. They didn’t even vote D1

@robyn you still drunk?

yes, bad timing, i don't wanna play while intoxicated but i've had a few beers + 2 shots

(i want to post but maybe no posting while drinking will limit my drinking)

Nah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!

Any of your reads change from yesteryear?

i think your vote on baker is disgusting and i think martin shouldn't clear stick unless she claims attacked and protected (which she might have hinted at?). i think that i wigly is putting the most effort into this game than any other game i've seen him play. which either means wigly is mafia or he hates his family. and honestly i'm 100% certain he hates his family/his kids aren't letting him sleep LOLLLLLL

Disgusting??
Uni is disgusting, not my vote.
Or, ok. Maybe it is. Good point.

I mean, Baker’s bound to make delicious pastries for the thread some day, right?

So is that to mean you are suspicious of my vote?

[Scotty]

Baker > Abigail > DM is my preferred vote as it stands.

Will vote out of line with Scotty though. [VOTE: DM] aubergine

Coward.

[MartinGG99]

This is interesting, because your read on my interactions with the Stick slot is pretty spot on.

Stick early on was the only person to inquire about the pattern of 4 I had pointed out, but also triggered my tin foil as Scotty had noticed when inquiring.

Further, I left their inquiry without result wondering if others would see what I saw. This put stick on my "let them cook" list and left it there.

Reading this whole page again, and this response, I'm coming to the conclusion that you + scotty could be town together

and that Stick could maybe be independently wolf, half of what stood out to me of that read on you is that I strongly felt like it was a copy-and-pasted style of townread I sometimes see in games where you townread over something very simple

[Scotty]

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s either
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread

I think it’s B

And the player they took out with more of a handle on the thread was Falc?

Well, yes.

One voted Abbi and in only 7 posts, had more input that actually had me nodding my head. Hence the whole voting Abbi along with him.

Abbi’s iso is…well…’stick is town’ ‘I should self pres’ ‘thread dead’
Borderline comatose

[MartinGG99]

Since it seems to be unclear to some people, my opinion of almost everyone is in flux. I'm not clearing anyone, except robyn maaaybe baker.

I'd only vote the guy if the thread thinks its best to flip him, or if I find too many people to be towny. Robyn I still feel the same about from d1.

Maybe I should make a reads list sometime later this day phase if I feel like it.

[MartinGG99]

So, in less words: Abi had a vote resistance that you attribute to wolf intentions, but not necessarily indicating alignment?

That sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.

Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s either
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread

I think it’s B

I didn't really think of B honestly, preety reasonable. More of a threat-analysis kinda approach.

Which I respect in hindsight tbh, iirc Falcon is generally regarded by others as potentially easy town clear. Or at least he was years ago when I actively played here.

I didn't really factor in that though when voting him. To me he could've been WIFOMing all day.