The Syndicate

this was quite the game that i have lots of feelings about tbh

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.

that does not make logical sense

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:42 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergine

awful game

Why did you switch off tuutuu? Why do you think Creatuee is a better wagon

it's annoying that people are continuing to townread creature when he was saved from the elimination yesterday so im just parking my vote on him to make a point

tutuu is still outed mafia too

when i flip town today then i want everyone to ignore lucy for the rest for the rest of the game tbh, i dont even care if mac is mafia

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

awful game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

but yeah sure maybe im just bad and woflsiding and mac is mafia regardless of anything else because the reasoning in this post is bullshit and mac has already explained why it is bullshit multiple times today

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:30 am I hate how I’m being forced to consider worlds where Tutuu is town but I kinda think in a world where Mac is a wolf and SPF is town and SPF is like “I trust Mac so much that I’m going to ignore a claimed red peek on him and say that Lucy just doesn’t understand mech” then it’s not really my fault if we misyeet SPF or if we misyeet today because SPF won’t vote with the rest of the town.

That is, I can assume SPF wolf because if SPF is town, nothing I do matters and the loss isn’t my fault.

@Jackofhearts2005 if you are town, then it actually is your fault for voting me. it's also clear that you are not reading my posts today because you still think that i'm claiming that lucy "doesn't understand mechanics" when i am actually saying that i believe she is being dishonest about them

this is because lucy has claimed all of the following to be true today:

1. that the person who played the judgement card had to be on the creature wagon

2. that me/mac have to be W/W

3. that me/mac might not actually be W/W

it's not possible for all 3 of those things to be true, but she has claimed a mechanical basis for all 3 of those things being true throughout this dayphase, which means she has demonstrably NOT TOLD THE TRUTH about AT LEAST ONE THING, which means that there is legitimate reason to believe that she is not being 100% upfront about the information that she has

if youre town then stop acting like it's my fault for believing that lucy might not be totally forthcoming about her information when it is proven that she has already lied today

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:41 am tutuu shifted from hard townreading mac and appealing hard to him to hard tunneling him and making fun of him overnight when mac is NOT EVEN MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED MAFIA FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

it's fucking ridiculous. i need to go to sleep or else i'll just keep talking about it forever

We probably deserve this for the meme openwolfing we did several times at key points tho let's be real.

yeah maybe

i cant believe it's almost 7 am and im here arguing about an internet game instead of sleeping

feels like karma

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:41 am tutuu shifted from hard townreading mac and appealing hard to him to hard tunneling him and making fun of him overnight when mac is NOT EVEN MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED MAFIA FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

it's fucking ridiculous. i need to go to sleep or else i'll just keep talking about it forever

"wOoOoOw, tutuu and lucy are capable of forming reads on their own, without relying solely on mech, how dare they?!?!!? catch US, the GREAT MAC AND SPF?!?!?!? SCANDALOUS!!!"

but you have no justification for your confidence on me/mac being mafia apart from "mechanics" when the mechanics don't even suggest that me/mac have to be mafia. you are not trying to solve the game

tutuu shifted from hard townreading mac and appealing hard to him to hard tunneling him and making fun of him overnight when mac is NOT EVEN MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED MAFIA FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

it's fucking ridiculous. i need to go to sleep or else i'll just keep talking about it forever

im just going to post another reminder that if lucy's mechanical information is taken at 100% face value, it is not confirmed that me and mac are W/W

if tutuu was a villager, she would not acting so rudely and smugly and aggressively toward me and mac when it would not even be confirmed that we are both mafia from her perspective. she would care about solving between us, or making sure that we fit as a team, instead of doing ....this

i know ive said this before but i want it to be acknowledged because the way she is playing today is driving me insane and is not how town tutuu plays games...in general

okay tutuu u proved that i was semantically incorrect about you shielding creature for the entire game. i think it's funny that this is the one point that you have engaged with today after doing nothing but taking passive aggressive snipes at me, almost as though you are invested in looking dissociated from creature in the event that he ever flips

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:28 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:25 am because that is not how the oracle role works based on the description in the OP. it especially does not seem logical for you to both have the information that:

A. the card was played by someone on the creature wagon

B. the card was definitely played by one of me/mac

which means that you have already demonstrably not told the truth about one thing today

i am banned from talking about mechanics, i maintain my position

well you can maintain your position but then you need to understand why i don't believe that you are telling the truth, because basic logical deduction tells me that you have not told the truth about at least one thing today

wow good job on quoting a post from 6 real life days ago where you briefly described creature as mafia. if i look at your ISO i wonder if i will see you desperately attempting to convince mac that creature is town or trying your hardest to shield creature yesterday and making no real effort to get him eliminated at any point in the game

because that is not how the oracle role works based on the description in the OP. it especially does not seem logical for you to both have the information that:

A. the card was played by someone on the creature wagon

B. the card was definitely played by one of me/mac

which means that you have already demonstrably not told the truth about one thing today

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:09 am dennis/sig/sabi/spf/mac

tell me if someone has an issue with my current solve, creature was TR by me and alison, jack is blatantly town and creature too. Falcon was seanzie's strongest tr, i tr bereft. tutuu has been hardpushed today by confirmed mafia and i tr her fairly strongly

lucy, it does not make any fucking sense for the mafia to save creature from dying if he is a villager. it especially does not make sense since i am one of the only players today actively pushing on him

you are thinking about the game too hard. you are outleveling yourself. you are looking at a game where there is an observably nearly confirmed mafia except for the most wild of worlds and then talking yourself out of it. please wake up

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:39 am can you explain to me why you scumread tutuu @MacDougall @staypositivefriend

from my point of view they are confirmed town because there is confirmed one mafia pushing for their elimination. and the gamestate is not one that is being wolfed by creature/bereft/wigly/falcon

similarly there's the matter that seanzie would hardpush mac this cycle, he would not stop and he would not change his mind. i don't understand why that is being ignored and i don't understand why mac and spf are ignoring all my arguments and are not trusting me

can you both also propose teams that exist

because from what i understand about the game, two sides have clearly been taken. and one side has been intentionally against since the start and i've had the least influence in any game in this particular game. i think it's obvious why i didn't play last cycle. similarly i think it's obvious that if this is a ML then mafia simply wins because of Zealot

i do not understand why you townread mac @staypositivefriend i'd also like you to explain why you townread spf @MacDougall

i think those positions are simply not ones that are realistic in this gamestate by either of you because i've just wolfed with you in hydra game, mac specifically stated on multiple occasions that in these gamestates you lynch spf

i also cannot fucking reconcile all the horseshit i've gotten, this is fucking day 5 without a single fucking mafia pelt. you two cannot fucking point at a player and say "obv scum" you have to fucking own up to how you made the gamestate and give real reads and NEITHER of you are doing that. and that is ignoring the reasons why spf/sabi are outed and the fact neither of your solves are fucking realistic

and why THE FUCK are you saying i don't understand mechanics, THAT's the most blatantly scummy and manipulative thing i've ever seen knowing that i cannot fucking explain the mechanics that i do have beyond what i have explained

all these points are to say the team is sabi/spf/mac/sig-porscha/x

-tutuu has spent the entirety of this game hard defending and trying to protect creature from dying. creature is highly likely to be mafia, which also increases tutuu's mafia equity by default.

-in spite of the fact that creature appears to have an extremely high chance of being mafia, tutuu believes with an unreasonable amount of confidence that creature is town, and has given no consideration to a world where creature is mafia and she has been wolfsiding. instead, she entered today insisting that creature is town and making no attempt to read into his posts

-if your claim is to be taken at face value, me and mac don't need to both be W/W, but tutuu is confidently insisting that we are mafia together, and not intending to solve between us. tutuu as town would think more carefully about who the mafia is between two people she has spent the majority of this game townreading (particularly mad)

-tutuu has spent the entirety of this dayphase trying to make me mad, refusing to address any of these posts, and pretending like the scumteam is mechanically confirmed when it isn't even if everything you have said today was proven to be 100% correct

she is not trying to solve the game, she is not trying to think about the game, she is trolling and i believe she is taking advantage of your bad solve as an excuse to easily coast to victory

and let be me clear that i'm not saying that you don't understand mechanics - i'm saying that i believe, based on the information you have posted today, that you do not have the mechanical information that you claim to have. it is not logically possible for you to know for sure that the judgement card was played by someone on the creature wagon, and you stating this information is contradictory to your statement that me/mac have to be W/W, which is contradictory to your statement that me and mac could only contain one wolf, which is contradictory to your statement that you were blocked yesterday, and etc etc etc

i believe that you are framing your personal scumreads on me and mac as being inherently mechanical, when they are not. everything you have posted so far today increases my belief in this theory, given that you have changed your story roughly 20 times. and don't gaslight me and try to tell me that this is not a thing that you can and would do as a villager who has a chip on their shoulder and wants to try to solve the game

as for why i townread mac? it's because im good at reading him even if i'm not perfect, and i think he would have to be playing significantly outside of the wolfrange of every single game i have seen from him if he is mafia. it means that his dynamic with creature was W/W (assuming creature maf) when the way creature engaged with mac felt very much like a wolf trying to appease/pocket a villager. it would mean that mac has gone above and beyond with emotional bullshit in this game that i don't really think he would go to as mafia

and honestly im just sick of being gaslit and sick of being told that any of this is unreasonable for me to believe. and you will have to understand whyi m getting so frustrated when you are the only confirmed town player in the game and my perception is that you are going out of your way to lead the game into a loss

my honest opinion is that the solve is probably something untenable like creature/tutuu/bereft/dennis/one in wilgy/falcon and that we lose by default because there isn't enough coordination to save the game

so gross

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:27 am just going to note that even if lucy's mechanical information is taken at 100% face value, it does not mean that me/mac need to be W/W, but tutuu is lazily and uncritically pushing a worldview that we are W/W and agitating both of us with an extreme level of confidence. this is because she is mafia who does not care about solving or thinking critically about the game, and she does not have a real investment in figuring out the extent to which lucy is telling the truth

i also fear that we have reached a point of the game where there are so many wolf voices in the thread that nobody is going to care that tutuu is wolfclaiming with every post anyway

if tutuu was town she would be responding to this btw

just going to note that even if lucy's mechanical information is taken at 100% face value, it does not mean that me/mac need to be W/W, but tutuu is lazily and uncritically pushing a worldview that we are W/W and agitating both of us with an extreme level of confidence. this is because she is mafia who does not care about solving or thinking critically about the game, and she does not have a real investment in figuring out the extent to which lucy is telling the truth

i also fear that we have reached a point of the game where there are so many wolf voices in the thread that nobody is going to care that tutuu is wolfclaiming with every post anyway

this game is just painfully dumb

lucy contradicted herself multiple times when outing her "mechanical information" (shifting from saying that me/mac must be W/W mechanically to saying there must be one between us to saying that actually the person who used the card was on the creature wagon to etc etc) that it is obvious to anyone paying attention that she is not telling the full truth and is leveraging her position as a clear to try to push through her bad personal reads instead of letting things develop naturally

which means that it gives players like tutuu an excuse to do nothing but try to agitate me or mac for being rightfully annoyed that lucy is hijacking the game in this way, and it also gives the wolves the cover to coast off of lucy's "mechanical information" since there is probably at least one villager who uncritically believes it

just a really shamefully horrible game

possibly either the magician card or the chariot

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:47 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Why

I have my reasons.

Wanna share with the class

No. End of story.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:30 pm In hindsight Jack's argument that Creature is not the zealot due to not having been bussed is so awful. Like I did say that Creature's been in contention for forever.
Sig has been in contention approximately never, and it reached its zenith when I convinced Seanzie to vote sig with me and probably somebody else in Mac/SPF.

Regardless of Jack's argument, I just don't see any reasonable worlds where Creature is the zealot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:13 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:09 pm i don't see any real reason why creature/sig can't be W/W based off of their interactions but the way that multiple players have extremely urgent stakes in which one dies first indicates to me that one of them might actually be town after all

My stake comes from being more confident on Creature and being confident they aren't zealot.

@MacDougall

tutuu is posting today specifically with the intention to make me mad lol

i do not think the person who was saved from an elimination after several other people in my POE fought very hard to save him is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:25 am OH I FINALLY GOT WHY WOLVES THIUGHT THEY WIN

They pile up on town creature. Play the stop chop card

Frame creature to be zealot. Chop him.

Would be 6v5. Then they just blitz, they have a zealot, they have mac and spf daytalk, they got everything

Was that it? Lmao

please dear god turbo this once creature flips mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:34 am

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:31 am tutuu is lolcatting with her posts right now. tutuu spent the entirety of this game hard defending the only player who is (nearly) confirmed to be mafia and she has not had a moment of self-reflection or re-assessment today. this is not how tutuu would be posting right now as a ivllager

if i get eliminated then i am very happy with my legacy to be to immediately kill her with no mercy

Ok feel free to stop posting and go away wolf

And dont mess up the mech next time. Embarassing!

i genuinely dont want to live in a world where this type of post could come from you as town after you have spent the entire game hard defending a wolf

tutuu is lolcatting with her posts right now. tutuu spent the entirety of this game hard defending the only player who is (nearly) confirmed to be mafia and she has not had a moment of self-reflection or re-assessment today. this is not how tutuu would be posting right now as a ivllager

if i get eliminated then i am very happy with my legacy to be to immediately kill her with no mercy

creature being mafia should confirm to tutuu that she has done nothing but hard wolfside all game if she is town, but she came into today with an unchanged worldview and i dont believe it for a single fucking second

tutuu if youre town then how in gofs name is it possible for you to believe that i openwolfed the EOD when you SPENT ALL DAY TRYING TO PROTECT CREATURE?

youre not town. i refuse to believe it

jack, i have read the setup. my (VERY STRONG GUESS) is that lucy is either incorrect or lying about the information she is saying today. i HAVE thought about it. i HAVE read the setup. i do not think she is telling the truth. i have posted why

im not going to waste another post talking about this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pm And honestly, SPF having difficulty scumreading Mac atp is ???

hard for me to believe that the dynamic between creature/mac in this game is W/W for various reasons. hard for me to believe that mac would be playing outside of the wolfrange of every game i've seen from him to the extent that he has in this game. hard for me to believe that he would have the emotional arc he has had in this game

i have no reason to believe that lucy is telling the truth for reasons that i'm not going to re-litigate, especially since she is calling me outed, so you will excuse me if i'm going to trust my own solving right now instead of someone who is trying to turn this into a single player game

i dont mean to be rude but my final guess is that lucy is wrong about the basic mechanics of the setup, or intentionally lying, and she should be ignored today. you can figure out why yourself

"Every night the Oracle reads a three card spread. This entails choosing three players. At the end of the night phase, The Oracle will learn the three cards that were drawn by that group of three players, but not which player drew which card. The Oracle cannot be night killed."

this is the description of the oracle in the OP. it is not mechanically possible for lucy to know who played a specific card on a specific dayphase. it is not mechanically possible for lucy to know that a player on the creature wagon was the one who played the judgement card (even if it is possible)

so @lucy i need you to cut the bullshit and stop framing your objectively non-mechanical reads as though they are mechanically true. if you're that confused about my alignment then INTERACT WITH ME. stop trying to be the hero.

uhhhhh i think this is going into territory that we're not allowed to talk about

do you have a list of all the people on the creature wagon yesterday?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:02 pm im just going to be blunt and say that since info-dumping is not allowed in this setup, my thought is that lucy does not actually have the mechanical knowledge to say that me/mac definitely contains a mafia, or else she wouldn't be able to say it in the first place

i would be kind of embarrassed to live in a world where mac is mafia and i've been badly misreading him for this entire game but if he is, i don't think that lucy's claim is why

holy fuck this post is so fucking wolfy you're questioning my mechanical reds LMAO

yes because your read that me/mac contains a wolf is not based on mechanics, it is based on you reading the game badly. i wouldn't care about discrediting the read so much if you weren't trying to make it look like a mechanical read and not a threadstate read

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:00 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:57 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:51 pm Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

You haven't explained how Mac and SPF are hypothetically partnered.
Also as far as I know each card appears infinitely many times in the deck.

spf's and mac's positions are blatantly wolfy here, if they were v/v they always dome one another before gamestate gets to this

they're w/v minimum, i'll case beyond this though

oh okay so i was right, lucy does not have mechanical information and is just going out of her way to wolfside even though she should be able to figure out i'm town by doing the worlds most basic spew analysis. that's cool. that's good

im just going to be blunt and say that since info-dumping is not allowed in this setup, my thought is that lucy does not actually have the mechanical knowledge to say that me/mac definitely contains a mafia, or else she wouldn't be able to say it in the first place

i would be kind of embarrassed to live in a world where mac is mafia and i've been badly misreading him for this entire game but if he is, i don't think that lucy's claim is why

@Jackofhearts2005 the chariot and the magician both look like they could theoretically confirm that someone is not the zealot. not sure if any other cards could tbf

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

1. but if the mafia used the judgement card (which seems like a valid guess), then why would that tension exist in the first place? if the mafia could stop the elimination regardless, then why was there so much friction between who died between sig/creature?

this is the train of thought that makes me struggle to see a sig wolf world that is compatible with a creature wolf world

2. okay. i think sig got townier as the day went on even though i don't hard townread him by his posts alone. i just think that the way the wagons played out yesterday might indicate that he's town

3. well, from the mafias POV, which option is better?

A. sig is miseliminated as town

or

B. creature is "eliminated" but the elimination doesn't go through because of the judgement card

obviously, option A is better than option B, which is why tutuu fighting to get sig miseliminated instead of creature being "outed" and potentially outing herself/her team makes more sense to me

granted, this is relying on a big "if" that sig is town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

It isn’t infodumping if you’re guessing. Spell it out.

okay

i believe that seanzie outright mechanically hard claimed that he had information to suggest that creature was not the zealot. i don't see any other way to interpret the posts that he made about creature

jesus christ lucy

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

if you cant figure out that im town after creature "flipped" mafia then i dont know how to play this game anymore

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

creature being the zealot does not make logical sense in light of seanzie dying. i'm not sure how much else i can talk about it but it's not hard to put the pieces together yourself

i actually think we should just turbo creature again today if im being honest