Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:15 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:01 am
okay so, i snapvoted esooa because i read the bottom paragraph of her wallpost and i thought that her positioning looked explicitly like she was trying to wolfside and flip the POE (by having me/marmot as her top 2 foses when i think that marmot is probably just town, and by having dizzy as her third fos when i think dizzy could be town too)
now that ive actually read the wallpost, i think the reasoning is mostly fine and there's some parts of it that i find towny (like her reasoning to tr falcon). her reasoning to wolfread me feels really nitpicky and weak though - like it's obvious that i was saying that the content of drwilgy's posts wasn't AI for him but that his posts still reflected a scum mindset, and i feel like she really had to stretch and misinterpret my posts to frame them in the way that she did. i also dont like that she didnt include any reasons to townread me when i would kind of expect esooa to pick up on some of my towntells as town. i guess the headline is that i overreacted by immediately voting esooa but i think that her current list of scumreads is probably wolf-sided regardless of her alignment
Okay--how exactly does like
His posts reflecting a scum mindset not mean the posts are wolf AI
And regardless of all that were you not still wanting to vote him? Because like, you were as far as I know
irt not posting anything for why you're town
I'm not really pushing my reads that much and worded the ending explicitly as who I want to look into more for a reason
Not specifically because I'm town reading you much but more so because I mean
I basically expect exactly these kinds of responses when disagreeing with any kinda consensus in this lobby
I don't really agree that your response to pressure was that towny though, like, individually towny posts in terms of mindset are what made me shift my read off you in the vigi 10er, and I also noted that game you omgus'd by going like "I'm so obvious town" and town read it there, so don't rly agree there
and besides that the post is 2700 words. I cared more by then to get my current opinions out rather than all my thoughts
I think your entrance was probably towny, in that your entrance reads were reasonable+good in volume, and the uwu stuff was probably slightly towny, etc
Regardless I'm most interested in your opinion on the game state in general
And also too the idea that my reads list is wolf-sided, tbh
Alexa's reasons for wolf reading Anne, the top wagon today and for most of today to my recollection, are "nothing that pingy but she isn't explicitly town yet,"
Does that really sound like reasons to kill Anne to you? Or reasons for her to just be there wagoned all day?
I know there are others, but nothing really that inspiring either imo
And in terms of it being wolf-sided
Who are the wolves?
Like, when Alexa posted "I'm just gonna say all of Dizzy SPF Marmot are town and not actually talk about anything cause why not," I looked at the playerlist and assumed they're all town
Who are the wolves?
They're not exactly that easy to find
I think a lot of the consensus towns are town for decent reasons and if you remove the 3 named above, you're already basically out of names
Like c'mon lol
this post has so many paragraphs but ill do my best to respond to your main questions lol
it's important to note that drwilgy was posting with a strange and borderline unreadable gimmick throughout d1 that made his posts extremely difficult to parse. i had no idea what he was trying to communicate 99% of the time, and i think that everyone else in the game was in the same boat. so, when i said that i didn't get anything alignment indicative out of drwilgy's posts but that i thought his level of activity was alignment indicative, i think it was clear in context that i was making a reference to how unreadable his posts were. i just find it kinda hard to believe that you see this as a legitimate point against me, cause it's so nitpicky and it plays with semantics in a way that i feel like you usually avoid as town
i dunno who said that my self-defensive posts are my most towny posts, but if they did, then i disagree. there are lots of better and more nuanced reasons to townread me, and i feel like you in particular are very good at finding those "micro moments" where i do stuff that i dont usually do as a wolf, and i was kinda expecting you to pick up on some of those things in this game if u were town too, which played into my concern about your initial read on me just being a list of reasons to find me wolfy
also no, i dont think that anne should be scumread for "not being explicitly town yet", but that isn't really why i'm worried about anne. i'm worried about anne because the posts that she made throughout today felt uncharacteristically tonally stiff and like she was struggling to fully articulate herself (which is kinda how i felt about you earlier today), and because im worried that her lack of interest in the game comes from her being a demotivated wolf that doesn't feel like putting in the effort if her team is already being widely POE'd. it was hard for me to come up with specific reasons to scumread anne, so i can acknowledge that the case against her might be a little weak and based moreso on a "lack" of towntells, but i do think some of the stuff she's done in this game is arguably wolf-indicative for her
and well, i think that cassandra, lime coke, marmot nutella, and illario/leetic are all villagers. im fine with solving from the assumption with all of those names are town. from there, i think iaafr has been fairly towny today and that falcon is likely town as well. that leaves dizzy/anne/wilgy/mac/NAA/you, and while i am doubtful that the full scumteam is in that list, i do think that it contains a couple of wolves. i think that dizzy/wilgy have been p towny today out of the names in that POE, so i think there's at least one wolf in anne/mac/NAA/you
so i dunno, i dont find it difficult to craft a POE or come up with potential wolves in this game at all, and i think that your wolflist is "wolfsiding" because at least 2/3 of the names are town, but very possibly 3
