The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:15 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:01 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm You're talking about layers like they matter. Talk about Dragomir's team.

If you don't think layers matter then you are not playing the same game I am.

... have you really done no layer-based analysis at all?

More than I'm allowed to say.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:01 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm You're talking about layers like they matter. Talk about Dragomir's team.

If you don't think layers matter then you are not playing the same game I am.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:00 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:56 pm It takes me literally twelve seconds to copy and paste something down.

Why on earth have you copied and pasted what looks like Pawn's entire D3 case of you into your notes? Of what use did you expect it to be?

Why on earth won't you find mafia?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm You're talking about layers like they matter. Talk about Dragomir's team.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm Evenstar, if you are a civilian, then I need you to find Dragomir's partners.

If you are not, fine. I will vote for you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:56 pm It takes me literally twelve seconds to copy and paste something down.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:49 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah. Open votes, no maj. We did our backs and forths, but Sprit only popped in last few minutes, voted me, I voted Eva because obviously, and Eva switched from voting Sprit to me at :00.

It was fun and dramatic.

People need to believe me on her now, though.

congratulations

you got me

the masterful voteswapping wolf

this :00 argument is terrible, I barely got my vote in at all which would've resulted in a complete fucking rand

are you really saying that I cut it that close,

risking a 1/3 chance of outright suiciding,

because, i dunno, I thought sprityo would pull some kind of bullshit ninja move?

my squeaking in just under the wire is entirely down to the fact that sprityo showed up late and decided to hold off from voting until literally 00:59 or something

Again, the problem with this defense is that there wasn't an actual lynch on the line and you knew that (right?)

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:50 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

Come at me.

wait,

you lynched spiny?

Yes. :P

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

I am informed there is a vig

....wat

Hyena is town in like 98% of universes here

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:02 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

I have no clue what you're talking about but I very very much want to murder Hyena and Nutella right now.

ok, if you were actually spiny's mason partner, then I guess you're not scum. but maybe you weren't. Either way, you're behaving really weird about this. Some of us didn't have the confidence in that slot that you apparently did. We lynched boo because we didn't have much of a better choice and he didn't look good on d2 (and because I had some reasons to suspect spiny from d1). It was not a good lynch and it wasn't a confident push by anyone in particular. I would prefer not to die for it lol.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:00 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

what

*checks polls*

Wait, you went directly to f3. Right, that explains it a lot better. Apparently iaafr got lynched in level 3 somehow and brought to the top via that method rather than just the normal rejoin.

k good to know

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:23 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:22 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:06 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:05 pm

I thought I read that he had gotten lynched on one of the levels but I guess I'm being crazy then?

He did not show up here unless you guys lynched him last day phase, but you wouldn't know who was lynched last day phase.

Pawn, I hate to belabor a detail like this but if you weren't told in this thread that iaafr was lynched where did you find that out?

I thought someone had said it in here. Posting + reading while also listening to a friend's cabaret is a bad idea apparently for getting things done right. News at 11.

quick search says it was Jack, you aren't hallucinating

Great, thanks Eva.

wait and then how would jack have known?


at top of p121 currently just posting these now

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:43 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:21 pm My three biggest suspects are voting me.

It's cute. They won't ever lynch me. Why try?

IDK, maybe because we think you're scum?

And what will you do when you discover I am not? Hmm?

Shrug at the mistaken lynch and bask in the much less toxic air seems like a good start.

I am missing something here for sure.

Here is what Pawn had to say about me lately:

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:52 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:41 pm pawn lelouch

is epignosis being fair to me right now?

He is heavily overemphasizing the lack of a vote on D1. Yeah, it wasn't ideal that you didn't put one on Drago to clinch it but unvoting 112 is still a push towards that, and notably one you had been hinting at for a damn good while. I even called you out on it when you said "completely unexpected betrayal" with everyone expected it, since you had been doing blatant hinting.

And even with that initial waver, everything else within the game has been pure town you. Since the beginning of D1.

And yeah, Epi hasn't seen a fair bit of your playstyle for some context, but it's not a overall scummy set of posts even without that. So I do think that the overemphasis that he's been placing is a fair bit too much.

And while I'm enjoying the game I do consider it bastard and somewhat disorienting. I agree with you on that and think Epi not considering it as such is a case of just trying to defend his friends over the truth. Since if this isn't considered bastard over here, I do hate to see what would be considered as such.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:58 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:57 am Pawn, you seem to have an affinity for iaafr. Can you elaborate?

An affinity in terms of having a read that I believe is correct or personality + style?

You seem to like what he's doing. Any outside commentary from someone I even remotely trust would be coveted.

For the most part since early D1 I've honestly found him to be largely acting in a town manner and I generally like the direction that he has pushed in terms of reads. And yes, he did the unvote rather than vote but that doesn't change that he's been fairly solid everywhere else this game.

Especially when you consider the fact that the fact that he removed the 112 vote still helped with Drago and is something that he had to have known would be scummy looking as either alignment due to timing. And full disclosure that is the type of play I have done before, and while it's risky it is something that can work in terms of trying to guarantee a life extension. So I can see the thought process and the weird half measure doesn't feel like scum in that instance, since he would have committed to a hard stance and not ended it on the no lynch.

And while I think iaafr is overreacting in terms of annoyance from your questions I can see how his frustration comes from the setup and is being exacerbated, where the way he is reacting isn't necessarily productive, but feels like town iaafr from what I've observed in other games and spec.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:33 pm @Pawn Lelouch I'd like to hear your latest thoughts on Iaafr

Epi's put forwards the argument that rabbit potentially being the doublevoter actually makes them look worse, not better

Should I be scumreading Epi or Rabbit more for this? 'cause right now I'm reading that as reflecting quite badly on Epi

I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

Well, iaafr's stated reasoning of survival still holds up and is arguably even more valuable considering the value of one late game. There is still the issue of not voting when he could have clinched it but with his hints of pulling off of 112, Drago was pretty much publicly in the lead so there was still some push for that. So I feel solid on iaafr.

And like, I can see the angle that Epi is pushing for here, it's just one that I disagree with when factoring in the survival stance. So it's a small ding.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:03 pm iaafr, Pawn Lelouch
help me out here, what am I doing wrong
this PoE sucks but I can't seem to see the game a different way

Honestly I agree with the core of it. Since it seems too damn simple but I can't come up with anything else.

I'm never going after you or iaafr. So 6 slots and I am ultimately 3 tiering this since I don't think anyone else here is on the same level of cleared as you two.

Epi, Jack, Sprityo, Dom, Radishes, Colin.

So while Epi has some emotions in terms of annoyance it's not that much and frankly isn't a town tell. Most people would be annoyed in that scenario so it is hard NAI. Then the rabbit push is very eh. I'm honestly unsure if I want him in bottom or middle still, but I guess I'll drop him in for now.

I can agree that Jack has looked better in regards to trying to remove out the current POE and actually participating. Most of them are kinda fluffy but I like his approach to Radishes and there was decent insight when he commented on Michelle.

Dom just has baseless aggression and that's it.

Radishes is weird for me. He has similar thought processes but timings and amount of work make it possible that he's trying to pocket me. So there's sus there but I'm not hitting him today imo.

Colin has some flailing but again, there's nothing actually clearing here. It's enough that he isn't the option today but that's it.

Maybe it's just me but there wasn't anything supremely clearing about the emotional outburst. I get why you're reading him town off it, it could be enough to bump if there was more but he still doesn't have the best look in thread. At the very least since we need 3 I don't see enough to move him to the middle.

{Jack, Radishes, Colin}
{Epi, Dom, Sprityo}

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:50 am @Pawn Lelouch you too, uptrends downtrends?

is it still epi dom sprityo for you?

Pretty much. Jack and Radishes are locked pretty heavily in the center for me. Same with Dom at the bottom. Basically nothing has given me reason to change their overall positions since all three have played into what I've already viewed of them.

Epi has actually trended downward because of post #909, where he says I'm bad for making posts that focus on maintaining the status quo. Which if you consider having 3 of 9 slots locked down, and 2 more (MR + Dom) where I've been basically in the same view of them for multiple phases? Then I'll cop to liking the status quo and thinking it's pro town here.

Since remember, the status quo is not inherently bad, what matters is if the status quo is one that benefits town or not. And I think this is a case of one and let me explain.

So Nook is a weird kill. He's a good player but there are others of his caliber here and he notably was one of the less engaged players. So why was he targeted? He's not the player I would have gone for in a doc dodge. I thought about it and the main thing I can consider as viable is that his main scum reads were Eva and myself. And that wouldn't be enough for me to really make sense of it except Eva and I were part of a burgeoning town core.

So Nook specifically seems like an attempt to sow suspicion and break it apart to keep town disorganized, which only increases my Eva lock town rating. And them wanting to break this up is important since it means scum does not like the status quo at the end of D2 where people were coming together and finding each other.

So I think we had a pretty solid POE outline going on and I just dislike how Epi has looked at the same set of events and gotten the exact opposite view from them.

And Sprit is a case where I like individual posts but when I look at the ISO as a whole it just feels bleh, especially with the amount of posts situated there. Still is primarily a case of I don't feel like dropping Colin to the bottom is right so Sprit is the one who has to fit in.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:21 am i actually never paid attention to nooks reads that much last phase lol

so i cant corroborate if what pawn is saying is accurate

and uh isnt that like level 2 logic

isnt level 1 logic pointing at nook was possibly nk'd cuz he was correctly sussing you?

I guess but I don't see the need for me to do so in that position. You and Eva are in a solid TR of me at the moment so I keep that around, especially when being the main doctor targets. Low posters are kept around for easy control around.

So I'd be looking at a kill screen of Nook, Epi, or MR. Just based on engagement I kill Epi or MR everytime over Nook. Nook scum reading me doesn't worry me. I'd rather kill someone who has a nebulous TR or null of me and some thread control vs a person who is SRing me without thread control.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads

Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:21 pm My three biggest suspects are voting me.

It's cute. They won't ever lynch me. Why try?

IDK, maybe because we think you're scum?

And what will you do when you discover I am not? Hmm?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:21 pm My three biggest suspects are voting me.

It's cute. They won't ever lynch me. Why try?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:21 pm My three biggest suspects are voting me.

It's cute. They won't ever lynch me. Why try?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.

Lynch her.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:14 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.

You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.

I am. It's telling me you're scum. Have you perhaps considered that there might be something in your play you could correct that would make it stop doing that?

Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.

... are all the guys here creepy like this?

Did you take that seriously?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:10 pm All three I've accused.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.

tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched

That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.

You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.

I am. It's telling me you're scum. Have you perhaps considered that there might be something in your play you could correct that would make it stop doing that?

Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.

tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched

That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.

You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:03 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:53 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:46 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

who lynched iaafr? told u he was town.

Was iaafr lynched?

Wake up. iaafr is on the fucking poll today. Hence not lynched.

Disingenuous~

Got lynched on another level and then pulled to the top with the rest of us.

Use complete sentences. What is disingenuous?

You're claiming that iaafr never was lynched. That is either outright disingenuous with him being lynched yesterday or you need to have a frank little chat with Jack.

Lynched people are dead. iaafr was not lynched. He was kicked out of the dream. He's on the poll now, still alive...how say you he was lynched?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:46 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

who lynched iaafr? told u he was town.

Was iaafr lynched?

Wake up. iaafr is on the fucking poll today. Hence not lynched.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.

tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched

That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:47 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:39 pm Think about it folks.

I repost my Day 1 stuff in other thread begging people to copy and paste it in case they get topside, and especially as a hedge in case they vote for me.

If you are a civilian, do you want to see Dragomir interactions or don't you? Why get pissed that someone brings them up every new location?

I thought civilians would be glad to see my Day 1 perspective.

Evenstar thinks I should be lynched because of it.

no, I think you should be lynched because you're the only plausible third-level scum-partner for either Radishes or Sprityo

that case is just stranded in day 4 because ~mechanics~

Why were so quick to dismiss my Dragomir interactions?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:39 pm Think about it folks.

I repost my Day 1 stuff in other thread begging people to copy and paste it in case they get topside, and especially as a hedge in case they vote for me.

If you are a civilian, do you want to see Dragomir interactions or don't you? Why get pissed that someone brings them up every new location?

I thought civilians would be glad to see my Day 1 perspective.

Evenstar thinks I should be lynched because of it.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:39 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:30 pm If you can't do that, I'm comfortable lynching you.

Eva r u town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:30 pm If you can't do that, I'm comfortable lynching you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:29 pm How about, Evenstar, you do some work, okay?

Go through the Dragomir's posts and tell us who his teammates are.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:24 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:41 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:26 pm I see Epi is still reposting the same walls from D2 as if they mean he has done real work this phase

good look

very convincing

Epi/Radish, as I have ALREADY argued AT LENGTH

-

i need to cool off

driving home, tag me with questions. I'll get to it.

This is what I mean.

I just got here. What "real work" am I supposed to do?

I asked everyone in the other threads to post my work if anybody made it up here. As far as I can tell, nobody ever did since this is new stuff according to nutella.

And yet Evenstar wants to take a dump on it.

Note that she never engaged the content of the work. Instead, she chose to disparage the existence of them, as though I (being as busy as I am) went through the trouble of it all just to "look good."

Fuck that.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

oh the content is fine

it's good

it's just like a week out of date

Was it presented to everyone else as I requested?

No?

Then it's not out of date to them.

fine, you have a point. you just don't get to cash those reads in for towncred four days running. do more work. I have been doing work. It feels very much like I am one of like three people still actually playing this game.

I'll do what I like. I think you're sour that you couldn't cash your accusation on me into a lynch.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:06 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:03 pm @Pawn Lelouch what makes you think iaafr got lynched? I must have missed whatever you're seeing.

I thought I read that he had gotten lynched on one of the levels but I guess I'm being crazy then?

He did not show up here unless you guys lynched him last day phase, but you wouldn't know who was lynched last day phase.

Pawn, I hate to belabor a detail like this but if you weren't told in this thread that iaafr was lynched where did you find that out?

I thought someone had said it in here. Posting + reading while also listening to a friend's cabaret is a bad idea apparently for getting things done right. News at 11.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:09 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:09 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:00 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

what

*checks polls*

Wait, you went directly to f3. Right, that explains it a lot better. Apparently iaafr got lynched in level 3 somehow and brought to the top via that method rather than just the normal rejoin.

I have no idea how that happened. Ask {epi, dom, jack}, a majority of them must have voted for it.

... we're still bound to not discuss votes aren't we

Probably so, yeah (in regards to votes).

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:00 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

what

*checks polls*

Wait, you went directly to f3. Right, that explains it a lot better. Apparently iaafr got lynched in level 3 somehow and brought to the top via that method rather than just the normal rejoin.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

it is so fucking good to see you again. help me dunk radishes please.

So how the fuck did iaafr get lynched? In what world does that happen?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:50 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

Come at me.

wait,

you lynched spiny?

Yes. :P

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:50 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 pm Catching up right now. Going through from the beginning of day 2 and today simultaneously. All I will say is that I want the head of the people behind the Spiny lynch.

Come at me.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:53 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:38 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:30 pm Looking at the flips, mafia are running away here.

Everyone re-evaluate what they think they know.

(Except Eva. She bad.)

MR trying to use the fact that both you and Sprit thought he was scummy to exonerate himself is sketch af.

Why was Sprit not scummy for voting last minute as well?

GIVE US THE TRUTH, DAMMIT

fwiw sprit's vote made it a complete rand

so if he is a wolf he is far more ballsy than I gave him credit for

I think it's just radishes.

it actually being sprityo all along might actually make this game worth it tho

lowkey hoping that's actually the case and i got bodied beyond space and time

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:38 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:30 pm Looking at the flips, mafia are running away here.

Everyone re-evaluate what they think they know.

(Except Eva. She bad.)

MR trying to use the fact that both you and Sprit thought he was scummy to exonerate himself is sketch af.

Why was Sprit not scummy for voting last minute as well?

GIVE US THE TRUTH, DAMMIT

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:46 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:44 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:30 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time

We, the people who stayed here and didn't split off with all of y'all, haven't seen all of those reads though. It's new info. Why don't you think it would be useful for us to see it?

tbqh I had completely forgotten about you guys.

Hey, that's harsh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:41 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:26 pm I see Epi is still reposting the same walls from D2 as if they mean he has done real work this phase

good look

very convincing

Epi/Radish, as I have ALREADY argued AT LENGTH

-

i need to cool off

driving home, tag me with questions. I'll get to it.

This is what I mean.

I just got here. What "real work" am I supposed to do?

I asked everyone in the other threads to post my work if anybody made it up here. As far as I can tell, nobody ever did since this is new stuff according to nutella.

And yet Evenstar wants to take a dump on it.

Note that she never engaged the content of the work. Instead, she chose to disparage the existence of them, as though I (being as busy as I am) went through the trouble of it all just to "look good."

Fuck that.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

oh the content is fine

it's good

it's just like a week out of date

Was it presented to everyone else as I requested?

No?

Then it's not out of date to them.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:30 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time

We, the people who stayed here and didn't split off with all of y'all, haven't seen all of those reads though. It's new info. Why don't you think it would be useful for us to see it?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah. Open votes, no maj. We did our backs and forths, but Sprit only popped in last few minutes, voted me, I voted Eva because obviously, and Eva switched from voting Sprit to me at :00.

It was fun and dramatic.

People need to believe me on her now, though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:30 pm Looking at the flips, mafia are running away here.

Everyone re-evaluate what they think they know.

(Except Eva. She bad.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:26 pm I see Epi is still reposting the same walls from D2 as if they mean he has done real work this phase

good look

very convincing

Epi/Radish, as I have ALREADY argued AT LENGTH

-

i need to cool off

driving home, tag me with questions. I'll get to it.

This is what I mean.

I just got here. What "real work" am I supposed to do?

I asked everyone in the other threads to post my work if anybody made it up here. As far as I can tell, nobody ever did since this is new stuff according to nutella.

And yet Evenstar wants to take a dump on it.

Note that she never engaged the content of the work. Instead, she chose to disparage the existence of them, as though I (being as busy as I am) went through the trouble of it all just to "look good."

Fuck that.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm This was my case from Limbo:

Spoiler: show

The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

That’s a lot. And we can’t really talk about if she’s mech cleared or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:16 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

As others have said, why the hell not Radishes

confirm the result so we know whether the baddies won a prize or not

I don't understand this either. Eli5.

Kill Radishes so that we know if scum won or lost the final 3.

If we lynch sprityo and they flip town, I then know we lynched scum, but nobody else fricking does, and I still have to gladiate Radishes, which I might well lose after Sprit flipped town

if you lynch me, then Sprityo and Radishes will have to gladiate tomorrow and the thread still doesn't know if scum won or lost the F3

If we lynch the turnip then their flip tells us whether scum have won a prize or not immediately, not at the end of tomorrow. And if they flip town then I guess I have to gladiate Sprityo.



(my life is strange and my work is never finished)

But Radishes seems town af and you do not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:06 pm You know who is scum. 112. 112 is scum.

That flip would be helpful.

Do we have a Vig or something?