The Syndicate

What the fuck. Why quick wagon me while I'm post capped and can't do anything? And without an actual analysis of ANYTHING I've done. smh


Insulting after what I've put into the game so far. Yeeting me after a fair discourse is bad but understandable. Doing this in the span of a couple hours - when I haven't been in contention at all - and while I can't post is just awful.


But also I probably needed to be put out of my misery anyways. I came out of pseudo-retirement for this, which I'm realizing was a mistake because I hate myself when I play this game for what it does to me.

meme for nute:

Have a nice life

Last post for the round. I honestly thought this was going to be quicker so I wasted a lot. It's fine though.

Amy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:11 pm i'm fine with you not claiming. i was hoping LC would flavorclaim but i suppose i'm ok with him not having done so since worlds where he's scum are convoluted to begin with

so here's the deal

i concealed a portion of my role. when i target someone at night, in addition to my adding/subtracting posts cycle, i'm also informed as to whether or not they share their country or school with mine

as you can imagine, my first thought with this was "if anyone claims italian or classical and i get a 'no' result, i know they're lying", hence why i've pushed so hard for people to be full flavor claiming

unfortunately, literally only nanook has claimed to actually overlap me, and he's basically confirmed town anyways

so now i'm wondering if some of the scumteam has their school listed as "Classical"? it would make... some degree of sense, and it would make that part of my role something beyond "literally useless"

anyways yeah this is why i've been jonesing for people's claims

neither iaafr nor dizzy overlap(ped) me

18/60

Very convoluted and strange role to have, especially when it has two very different aspects to it. Hmmm
Your school is really just classical?

No, I don't think it would necessarily match your school to that of the wolves I'm pretty sure they have specific schools as well (I just can't remember them). My suspicion is that you brought this up simply to make your role vaguely useful so that you could deter us from chopping you.

Like it's certainly possible given everything and how you've approached it, but we can't just give in to every believable claim.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:29 pm well

the nationality for iaafr cant overlap anyway. if he's town its genevian, if he's scum its greek, both are different

if he's town its enlightenment, no overlap. if he's scum, maybe it would overlap? are all greek philosopher classicists? idk tbh

if all greek philosophers are classicists, then basically amy has a green peek on iaafr?

I don't think so. Amy's flavour claim and the ancient Greeks are very different philosophies from a thousand years apart. There's no way this would be balanced if she could wield it like an investigation as town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:57 pm If there is some sort of soup kill, I want to be left standing. That's the only reason I haven't claimed - fear of that knowledge just handing the scum the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:58 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:48 pmAs much as I want out of this game, that would be terrible.

What kind of game do you prefer? I have found this one interesting.

I'm being dramatic. I don't particularity enjoy games that are basically 100% claim- and flavourclaim-based past D1, which is what this has turned into. I know I signed up for this.
Ignore me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:10 pm If amy and tutuu are both real, AND dizzy was real, I have to assume that scum has/had a godfather type role


Occam’s razor is that Amy isn’t real? But idk I haven’t really had time to think about if that’s stupid or not.


Similar to LC I’m reluctant to have everyone full claimed in case of a flavor vig or similar. Proooooobably fine if everyone but tutu and one other is claimed I guess?

Yeah

Given the benefits of flavour claiming, I don't think it's a stretch that the wolves had something to gain when we released that info. Not sure what.

My super far out tin foil was that WWH was the Godfather because she was vehemently asking to be solved or peeked. But I don't really believe that and I wouldn't care anyways because that's also a stupid mechanic.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:56 pm Is it normal for town to have 2 Vigi type roles in a closed game of this size?

Not a leading question btw.

Considering they were one-shots, it's not that far out.

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I guess goodbye until hammer or the actual EoD (I would lol).

Gun to my head between Amy and Colin, I go Amy but it's still close. Colin hasn't been inspiring. Amy's role can be fabricated.

I'm already concerned that nutella is angling for my misyeet now. It's really like she's put the PoE on autopilot now that she "clear". That could be a real towny thing though.
And where did Hally go?


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Decided to do an short Amy ISO because I want to get in everything:

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:19 pm @Benson in case Amy flips town, there is a very high chance you get resolved next, either by scum night kill, peek or yeet. Since your role won't flip on your death, I think the cons of WIFOMing outweigh the pros at this point, so can you please claim, and claim the truth (without WIFOM):
1) what you did on n1
2) what you did on n2
3) what will you do on n3 (and don't change your decision)

So that it can help us solve

If you're already truthfully claimed without WIFOM apologies, I didn't see it

What? How am I next in line for a misyeet? As much as I want out of this game, that would be terrible.

N1: Tutuu save
N2: Tutuu save
N3: ??????????

I am 2-shot doc fwiw.

I did claim Marcus Aurelius, yes.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Don't hammer yet. Wait for Amy.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:14 pm I mean look if you gotta get rid of ol’ Colin cause he’s stuck in the got dang POE again then you gotta do that .... but just understand that my entire Mafia existence for the last few years has been rolling a boulder up and down (mostly up) various POEs across various games and it hasn’t been the most correct move for the town in about 2 years ....

Sick Camus reference. You can live, even if I didn't like your initial response, imo.

Wait. 5 wolves still makes more sense in a town hally world, where we have an abundance of town power. Colin isn't a terrible candidate based on those set of assumptions.

I have four posts left, so I'll probably wait for something interesting.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:37 am The more interesting question is why is Tim dead over Benson.

they need to kill the doc so they can kill the cop, right?

WIFOM reasons. Because they thought he was more threatening. Because I was claiming to be using my second of two shots last night (key word: claiming). Because his role could still do stuff after last night.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 am It’s impossible for Colin to be mafia unless there’s two alive, yeah?


I’m going to start looking at tinfoil worlds given dizzy’s claim/flip (RIP Dizzy), but I’m not prepared to start exploring two alive worlds yet tbh. Still think high odds that radishes was scum tbh

I believe so now that I think about it. town!Hally would have redirected the kill mostly likely (unless he didn't submit and Tim died through other means). And Hally and Colin aren't likely as a scheming pair. UGH. A town redirector is still so outrageously overpowered and ridiculous in this game. What is going on. If Hally is town, we'll be looking at the roles and events afterwards and will be thinking this game was gifted to us on multiple levels (despite the epic plays from some of you, obviously).

Fuck. My Colin pressure may be wasted right now.

Just chop Amy then?

Well, my intention with the bait was to force proto down this road. I don't know what to do with the results exactly. His full-fledged dive into this feels so real and paranoia driven. He's simply pocketed me badly this game if he's wolfing.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] , btw, I don't think Colin and Hally are ever w/w. Because if they were they would've just faked the tracking result while Hally redirected my save, letting them kill tutuu. Really, there was no reason to let tutuu have another peek in that case.

Where are the enlightenment dudes?

We did get a free yeet. Another reason I'd now like to hammer fairly soon once we're decided.

Tutuu: Roman - Stoicism

Random but feel like the town existentialists are a bit overrepresented. Even if it is my favorite school. Or maybe one of them is a cover? *Stares at Camus*

Thank you for writing out some of the things I was too lazy to.

Btw Colin kinda confirmed Hally's role. He tracked Hally, who redirected his action to WWH, who visited Dizzy; Colin received a result of just "Dizzy".
They could be in cahoots but that's unlikely I suppose. Also, I have no doubt Hally is a redirector of some sort.

Why are you advocating to waste tutuu's peek? That wouldn't be good.

I think hammering this morning isn't a terrible idea because I'm running out of posts, and so is rabbit (if not already).

Colin, if you are town I think you have to make a sacrifice. Nothing you can do will get you out of the PoE and the other roles in the game are in conflict with yours. Maybe Proto has pocketed me hard but I think we check you first out of the two. You may say that you're a confirmed tracker. You may say that trackers are underpowered on wolf teams. Both true. But I think it's just clear that unless we are in my tin foil world the wolves were neutered anyways.

[VOTE: Coliniscool] aubergine

Signal that you're okay with this by voting yourself.

Yikes
I was about to say I was feeling good about him too

Maybe we should also not just write Colin off yet.

You have like two votes on you and no one's here lol

I'm curious about what mechanical info Amy could have even have had

Dizzy can you hard claim everything about your role. I know we can infer already but I think it should be clear.

Rabbit you have like 2 posts left lmao

Unless I mathed bad

In case anyone wanted to know what the radish flip was once more

I will offer my life for the cause of not being ridiculed by Hally anymore for playing the game.

Is there anyone left with Proto meta? Does he play this hard while back against the wall and probably about to lose?

I think I do want to consider Amy/Dizzy before we seal this on Proto tbh.

My new meme read is rabbit wolf. No evidence there yet.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:06 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:03 am the thing that is tilting me most about being in the poe still is that i’ve totally wrecked scums shit this game lol

i took a slot that was gonna be an easy lhf mislim and look what i did with it

i subbed in and pretty much flipped the script on radishes

i wolf read him correctly for his push on me

i linked him to kza correctly and helped yeet kza

i wolf read bob correctly too

i jacked their kill and redirected it to a bulletproof townie

ive like dunked on the wolf team over and over again and yet i’m still in the poe for some reason i cannot comprehend

i’m not trying to toot my own horn, it’s just irritating to play this well and still have to defend myself like this because of tinfoils that actually make no sense

The thing is, to anyone except you, most of that is not confirmed.

The only thing that is confirmed is:

You subbed in
you pushed MR
You voted on KZA - confirmed mafia
you scumreead Bob - confirmed mafia

if you just said that, I would be fine.

Saying you are clear (from other peoples pov), that Nutrella is clear (from your pov), and LC is clear (from your pov) is just wrong and why I have an issue with it.

the thing that is tilting me most about being in the poe still is that i’ve totally wrecked scums shit this game lol

i took a slot that was gonna be an easy lhf mislim and look what i did with it

i subbed in and pretty much flipped the script on radishes

i wolf read him correctly for his push on me

i linked him to kza correctly and helped yeet kza

i wolf read bob correctly too

i jacked their kill and redirected it to a bulletproof townie

ive like dunked on the wolf team over and over again and yet i’m still in the poe for some reason i cannot comprehend

i’m not trying to toot my own horn, it’s just irritating to play this well and still have to defend myself like this because of tinfoils that actually make no sense

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:03 am the thing that is tilting me most about being in the poe still is that i’ve totally wrecked scums shit this game lol

i took a slot that was gonna be an easy lhf mislim and look what i did with it

i subbed in and pretty much flipped the script on radishes

i wolf read him correctly for his push on me

i linked him to kza correctly and helped yeet kza

i wolf read bob correctly too

i jacked their kill and redirected it to a bulletproof townie

ive like dunked on the wolf team over and over again and yet i’m still in the poe for some reason i cannot comprehend

i’m not trying to toot my own horn, it’s just irritating to play this well and still have to defend myself like this because of tinfoils that actually make no sense

Congratulations

proto has a lot of WIM for a wolf that is supposed to be about to lose actually

We should wait to see what Dizzy says

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:53 am i cannot engage in this discussion anymore

no matter what i say someone will come up with some reason why it’s not 100% lock

i simply don’t care because it doesn’t matter

i’m never getting yeeted in this game

Can you just not understand that we don't have the same info as you (if you're town)? You aren't lock clear because there are potential hypos where it's a scheme. They are unlikely but they are there.

Don't be so oppressing and dismissing

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:30 am ahahhahaha it worked

????????

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:24 am im asking for the nationalities now in case of mech shenanigans (redirector, miller/godfather, busdriver)

like, i had wws claim french. i peeked her. imagine if my peek returned british?

this is the scenario im trying to avoid

No you're right. I forgot about redirections and such reveal itself in your peeks that way.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:20 am

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:18 am Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:12 am if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

all wolves are greek

all non-wolves are non-greek

they are given fake roles to claim, but i peek the real nationality

I get all that.

But you aren't going to know if they're lying until you peek them. It's like asking someone if they're a wolf. lol

Unless you're talking about getting them to slip and accidentally say the Greek one, which is fine, but I think they've probably figured out which one to claim by now.

proto, I don't think you answered one of my questions. It was wherever I tagged you earlier.

Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:12 am if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

If Hally is getting checked, Colin has to track Hally to make sure no funny business.

Sometimes I say things without meaning them, Hally. Or with nebulous intentions.

And I'm saying the janivig sucks as a town role. Not that it doesn't or couldn't exist.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:53 pm shitty in the sense of lowpower, it's not like that boring a role from game design perspective

It's probably not as bad as the janivig

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:36 pm

The fact Tutuu is not dead, means that Tutuu's check on WWH was not redirected.

Actually, talk to me about this first. I don't follow.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] I think Hally and Nutella are confirmed wolves and are trying to misyeet you. Will you vote them with me right now?

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:44 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:41 pm well the purpose of using the vote tags is to signal you voting in the pool but feel free to play with the toys however u want

11

I know it is however that would lead to me hammering and I think it's too early

I think you're supposed to do both otherwise it can be confusing.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:42 pm btw idk if you guys noticed but I changed my votes like at least 10 times while postcapped d1 rofl

I saw a few lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:37 pm It’s not that disrespectful imo, just a game that’s probably locked. It happens

We have the most polar opposite philosophies so I don't expect to find common ground lol.

If we knowingly chopped Alison last night before she could share her thoughts or respond it would've been disrespectful. I'm sorry for my part in that. You're about to take someone out of the game by vote. At least have the decency to give them their final moments to get thoughts out in case they're town.

But then looking at Tim's recent ISO reminds me he was pretty set on proto being the next right kill already last night. I think even before Alison's elim and definitely after.
So a fear kill there also aligns to proto wolf world.

I guess I'm used to there not being a nightchat available, but it still doesn't seem like good practice.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 pm ok i moved off because benson post shrug

ty

I just think it's blatantly disrespectful to elim a non-confirmed player before they can even react to it. Even if you probably aren't changing your mind.
And the round is like 2 hours old too. lol

Whatever. Sure, just flush someone before they can say anything.

It's a bad habit but idc. If this is another misyeet I want tutuu to check hally while colin tracks hally. I'll save tutuu again.

Coming back to say I really don't want a quick hammer tonight. Many players haven't and won't have good chance to review things or do work they want. I get streamlining but let's not be silly. There are a couple things I want to go through as well.

And guys, that's what Tim would've wanted. And who knows, maybe that's why he died - for that attitude of always doing your due diligence, even in the face on a seemingly easy path.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:50 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:49 pm This game just might be terribly balanced (no offense) based on the roles and the player distribution. And I suppose it could be that the wolves had some great roles that were snuffed before they could do anything.

Maybe I'm just so biased towards fake claiming and mechanics because that's how I'd wolf here. And that's what I expected in a game where almost everyone has some power.

I'll go now since I haven't contributed meaningfully since D1.

dont get emo sometimes we dont need to do anything but shitpost and annoy the clears while they carry

i have highly enjoyed your presence, you think very similarly to me overall

This is my only solace during these dark days
(unless you've pocketed me)

This game just might be terribly balanced (no offense) based on the roles and the player distribution. And I suppose it could be that the wolves had some great roles that were snuffed before they could do anything.

Maybe I'm just so biased towards fake claiming and mechanics because that's how I'd wolf here. And that's what I expected in a game where almost everyone has some power.

I'll go now since I haven't contributed meaningfully since D1.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 pm lol. I thought he posted for some reason.


Hally, why isn't your role scary enough to kill? Like the wolves knew I was never saving you.

why would they kill me when half the players are still tinfoiling me as a wolf

they need the poe as wide as possible

killing me confirms me town and by extension nut and lc are also confirmed

it also removes me from the poe

that’s a game losing play for scum if they do that

Fine. I wanted to see how you'd approach that.

But let's be fair: we are almost always going for the low PoE before the tin foil catches up. I can convince people the theories are plausible, but I don't think we're actually going there before a couple more misyeets or a mechanical confirmations.
But I suppose if they're all in the PoE, their only hope may be the tin foil.

lol. I thought he posted for some reason.


Hally, why isn't your role scary enough to kill? Like the wolves knew I was never saving you.