The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:50 pm I won't be voting in the hopes of keeping 7 votes on the poll, but do know that I would prefer a spacedaisy vote today.

This would be a waste. But I wouldn’t be a big loss either. Nothing I do can be helpful in any kind of certain way. I will flip civ. Go on and LD that tonight if you are able.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:44 pm I really don't understand why I get raked over the coals for having dunya in my POE and daisy comes in and votes her, no questions are asked and she gets a hug.

I was hugging her for her reasons of thinking I'm overwhelmed and need to exit the game. You are always hugged by me

Also, because clearly we're w/w. And this is a plot.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:44 pm I really don't understand why I get raked over the coals for having dunya in my POE and daisy comes in and votes her, no questions are asked and she gets a hug.

Don’t let the game upset you. You are one of the most awesome woman both Dunya and I know and we both love you.

Only partially though. I really do think she is a good suspect. She looks to me like she has been trying throughout the game to keep people from beingtiwb cleared, keep suspicion open on as many people as she can.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:44 pm I really don't understand why I get raked over the coals for having dunya in my POE and daisy comes in and votes her, no questions are asked and she gets a hug.

It’s just because she knows I’m doing it because I’m worried about her irl.

I don’t believe we will. Do we think Epi started with 3 or 4 baddies? I don’t believe 5. I don’t think it would be balanced and Epi is the king of balance.

I believe 4 which means 2 are left. I don’t believe we have two town cleared mafia left. One of those left in the PoE pool are definitely bad imo.

The only way we could have two Town cleared mafia is if it is Speedchuck and Luna. I don’t believe Speed looks at all bad. Luna has used the words in her role. Lie detect is definitely in it. So unless she is quoting some kindness of cover description, I don’t think she is bad.

Also I’m just realizing I mixed up Juliets and Luna’s roles when I was talking to dunya earlier. Sorry about that.

You know what, I am going to switch my vote back to dunya.

Additionally, I don't believe juliets is bad because she dropped a hint about the name of her role before her role was revealed or she claimed. I believe 100% she is civ.

Of the people left I could only see speedchuck, me or dunya doing that. I am the role that is revealing the roles in the OP. I was able to reveal speedchuck's role because of BTSC info. My role has limited helpfulness if baddie roles were given cover.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:32 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:29 pm Elo plays specifically for her husband. I don't know see her ignoring that role. I think her teammate has it and didn't use it for those reasons. I think she is hoping claiming it will help her look more civ.

okay, if her teammate had that role and didn't use it, who do you think that would be?

Probably dunya.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:31 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:08 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:04 pm I voted dunya because I feel like she is trying to create suspicion about the role juliets has. It makes no sense. The only way juliets is bad is if her role has a hidden description like Mac's did. Which is entirely possible.

So why did you vote for me?

Why is a silencer or insanifier ok to be town and a stump or "lie detector" can't be bad?

If someone can tell me a logical reason for that, I will vote for whoever the hell you want me to vote for.

Two reasons. 1. because I suspect you are trying to create as much doubt about people as possible because you don't want to end up in a tiny PoE. Juliet's role does not make any sense as a baddie. Jack's had actual utility as a Baddie role. What need does a baddie have for an LD?

2. Because I'm more ok with lynching you and discovering it was a mislynch than Elo because I know you are running yourself into the ground over a game and I don't want to see that happen.

It looks like you think both Eloh and Dunya would flip town if lynched. We are at mylo I believe? Either way, it does matter who we lynch. I don't want to trade one townie for another just because they seem to be getting tired of the game.

incorrect. What I mean is if I lynch Elo and she flips civ, Im really going to regret not voting dunya.

If I voted dunya and she flips civ, I would be perfectly ok with that for the reasons stated. I would have zero regret.

No, I'm sticking to Elo

No wait... arrrgh

Elo plays specifically for her husband. I don't know see her ignoring that role. I think her teammate has it and didn't use it for those reasons. I think she is hoping claiming it will help her look more civ.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:24 pm I'm actually more suspicious of Spacedaisy right now than Eloh or Juliets. She's added enough to the above finger-pointing to look involved, but seems to just be swaying back and forth with juliet's and dunya's opinions.

linki Kites! you see it too!

I think there is a good chance it is Elo and dunya together, thus my vote wobbling between the two.

And my opinion has not been swayed by either of them. In fact I argued against some of the things said because I think they were flawed reasons.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:08 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:04 pm I voted dunya because I feel like she is trying to create suspicion about the role juliets has. It makes no sense. The only way juliets is bad is if her role has a hidden description like Mac's did. Which is entirely possible.

So why did you vote for me?

Why is a silencer or insanifier ok to be town and a stump or "lie detector" can't be bad?

If someone can tell me a logical reason for that, I will vote for whoever the hell you want me to vote for.

Two reasons. 1. because I suspect you are trying to create as much doubt about people as possible because you don't want to end up in a tiny PoE. Juliet's role does not make any sense as a baddie. Jack's had actual utility as a Baddie role. What need does a baddie have for an LD?

2. Because I'm more ok with lynching you and discovering it was a mislynch than Elo because I know you are running yourself into the ground over a game and I don't want to see that happen.

I'm switching to Elo.

I voted dunya because I feel like she is trying to create suspicion about the role juliets has. It makes no sense. The only way juliets is bad is if her role has a hidden description like Mac's did. Which is entirely possible.

I voted dunya, but I then read Elo's claim and I don't buy it.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:53 pm Okay, I can't read all of this...no time. I am the Do it Again role. I don't see how claiming this helps me, but there it is. I have not used it at all this game b/c I have felt it would not help the civs.

I don't believe this.

this is a role crafted by your husband. you played the game because he wanted you to. I don't believe you would just not use the role he spent time creating.

But ifthe double night was caused by a civ LC, why wouldn’t a baddie be confused. I think confusion inthat situation doesn’t necessarily equal good.

Getting off a lynch train of someone who is later confirmed good can be a baddie tell. TMI and all that, keep your hands clean when you know a lynch is going to flip bad for civs.

The vote for Jack also doesn’t buy him civ credit imo. A baddie worth their salt will bus hard and fast if their teammate is peeked red. You can’t hesitate in that situation. It’s civs who will question, is this person likely to be telling the truth?

The Mac vote is the only thing in there that gives me any pause. I need to look at when he voted Mac.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:53 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:28 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:17 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:13 am Juliets I don’t think her concern with my vote for Mac and Jay’s vote for neverwhere is out of place. They were both suspicious looking votes. Jay made a case for Mac and then voted some where else. I defended Mac and then changed my vote for no good reason.

I would like to talk about others too. I want to know where everyone falls on kites and why. I feel like there has been little conversation about him.

Daisy, I can't figure out what you are saying. I didn't comment on her concern with your vote for Mac and Jay's vote for never where. I didn't have concerns with them but I don't think it's bad if she did.

The first quote you pulled was about that.

Oh I see, I was focused on the last sentence, that switching around at the last minute is mafia behavior. I think that is a generalization that isn't true.

Ohh my bad. Sorry, sleepy brain.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:17 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:13 am Juliets I don’t think her concern with my vote for Mac and Jay’s vote for neverwhere is out of place. They were both suspicious looking votes. Jay made a case for Mac and then voted some where else. I defended Mac and then changed my vote for no good reason.

I would like to talk about others too. I want to know where everyone falls on kites and why. I feel like there has been little conversation about him.

Daisy, I can't figure out what you are saying. I didn't comment on her concern with your vote for Mac and Jay's vote for never where. I didn't have concerns with them but I don't think it's bad if she did.

The first quote you pulled was about that.

Juliets I don’t think her concern with my vote for Mac and Jay’s vote for neverwhere is out of place. They were both suspicious looking votes. Jay made a case for Mac and then voted some where else. I defended Mac and then changed my vote for no good reason.

I would like to talk about others too. I want to know where everyone falls on kites and why. I feel like there has been little conversation about him.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:59 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 12:23 am Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

I will discuss a little later this morning when I'm fully awake. A big part of it is my POE has been narrowed down considerably and she is one of the only ones left. I believe I'm looking at a civ Daisy, Kites, speedchuck and Long Con which leaves Elo, dunya and Luna and I made move Luna out of the POE today. She had "lie detector" on her role card and I just don't see any use for that for a mafia.

Why are you sure of kites?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:59 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 12:23 am Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

I will discuss a little later this morning when I'm fully awake. A big part of it is my POE has been narrowed down considerably and she is one of the only ones left. I believe I'm looking at a civ Daisy, Kites, speedchuck and Long Con which leaves Elo, dunya and Luna and I made move Luna out of the POE today. She had "lie detector" on her role card and I just don't see any use for that for a mafia.

Why are you sure of kites?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:54 am which you are. (sorry I keep posting.) You are capable of pulling something like that off and you know it. I understand if it did go down, maybe Jack would have been the obvious choice. But when I read what Kites said, I was like, "yeah, that could have happened." I like to exhaust every option when we get down to this many players. Every thought and every move counts. Anyway...I am done defending that unless you have more questions.

Don’t apologize, we need to have these conversations.

P.S. Speedchuck’s role Showed up in the OP

So are you saying you do or donot suspect Luna and/or speedchuck?

Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

Also, if I’m honest, Mata’s Treatment of her given her role doesn’t look good. You would expect a person with info to put themselves but Mata is from the old school mafia approach where outing yourself was a strict no no. I’m not convinced she would have been that forthcoming. But again, I don’t know what Mata was up to so I can’t say with confidence she had any information on her.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:13 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:00 pm We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

I'm having exactly the same problem. The other thing besides what you mentioned that's on my mind is mate's read on her.

You mean Mac’s I assume. And yeah that was what I meant about her interactions with him. He town read her. She always seemed to be suspicious of him but never really went anywhere with it. That concerns me. I need to read her though. Because even civs can be in that position. I don’t know if she has pocketed me up to now or if my gut has reason to say Town...

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:00 pm We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

I am not dismissing Speed, Luna and Long Con completely, but I think that I will more likely focus on those other three.

Right now I trust Juliets and I think Jay. Anyone else is a question mark to me. I’m finishing up an episode of Stargate Universe and then going to do some ISOs.

I’m unsure how I feel about the Speed/Luna stuff, but I haven’t seen any inconsistencies with Luna’s claims and there is no reason a mafia would have a lie detector so I think if one of them is lying it’s probably Speed. But I also feel like Speed has genuinely been trying to come up with strategies to help the civs clear people out of the PoE.

I would put them as tentative Town reads.

Long Con basically handed us Jack. Unless it was a ballsy strategy to make him deep wolf, I would put him as a tentative town read as well.

That leaves me with:
Dunya
Kites
Elohcin

My action failed last night. I’m unsure if it was part of how my role works or if I was somehow blocked... I don’t know why there would be another block in this game though.

I need to process these past six or seven pages and I’ll post some reads before the night is over.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:19 pm Mystery solved.

I did that. I was under the impression there was a different instance today of a deleted post.

Oh good. I was sweating wondering if I accidentally tally deleted something without even knowing I’d done it.

Don’t know how I’m got in that post.

He onlynone someone could delete a post is if they had mod powers. I did not delete any posts. I’m

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:58 pm Lame.

Gonna be frank here: someone deleted a post. Whoever it was needs to tell Epi. Anything less is literal cheating.

This isn’t some fucking mafia ploy. It’s BULL. Fess up.

Wait you really believe there was a deleted post...

Dude this game is nuts.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:48 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:47 pm Something shady about the whole lie detector thing, Jay knowing it, speed thinking it's role cop.

I'm an idiot

More worried about Jay knowing it

Deleted post huh

Yeah that excuse did NOT sit well with me, it might have changed my vote actually if I had read it before the poll closed.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:28 pm @Spacedaisy you voted DDL, can you explain why?

I was six pages behind and reading but suspected I couldn’t catch up fast enough as I was also distracted with other things while I tried to get through it. I voted DDL because he has been one that I felt off about for a while, without solid reasoning that I can point to. I didn’t feel good about lynching Luna but I hadn’t come to all this stuff about her role until now. And I didn’t have a bad feeling about Elo either. So I voted the person I actually suspected over the other two and went back to catching up so that I wouldn’t miss the vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:04 pm I think a post was deleted. I don’t want to say more; it’s not my place. Dunno what you’ll be told if anything

Whaaaat?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:50 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:49 pm luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

DDL/Jay/Spacedaisy

That’s weird. Where did I come into your suspicions?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:32 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:26 pm Im going to uni. Don't hot potato me kthxbye.

Quick everyone let's hot potato DDL

Didn’t even realize there was a hot potato sithationgoingonbut I voted DDL. I feel like he has been my gut read suspicion since early days and I wasn’t feeling comfortable enough with Luna or Elo.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:49 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:43 am i'm concerned daisy has kind of dropped off activity wise after everyone's sort of unanimous town read on her.

I think I expressed concern about this same thing earlier (either that or I thought it). The Jack stuff was so strong but the drop off concerns me. @Spacedaisy I'm alerting you because you might want to respond to this. Also, how do you feel about the mata stuff? I notice you came in and commented but did not comment on this most recent information.

I appreciate the alert. I did see it. I have dropped off in activity some since then but it’s unrelated. I am less vocal when I feel like I can’t get a solid suspicion under me. I am caught up and I comment when something strikes me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 12:27 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 3:00 am I was also very confused at first reading people celebrating a civ lynch lol

At first? When did you come in the thread?

This is a good catch...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:28 pm Cool deal. That still sucks for you Dragomir. I would like to suggest that when the civilians win this game, the official "loss" be tallied to leetic instead of Dragomir. Host's call, and something for post-game.

I agree with this.

You’re a pal for replacing into such an unfortunate circumstance.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:16 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:52 pm Granted, there's no evidence that leetic ever used it which is okay enough I suppose.

If he never used it this gives credence to the idea that a bad leetic never sent in kills.

Daisy, do you think the reason we were missing kills is that they weren't sent in?

I don’t know that for sure. It’s a thought, but I wouldn’t pin all my hopes on it. That kind of thinking can lead to easy mislynches.