The Syndicate

I love the no votes for the masters team. Odds seem good, folks.

Did some reading. Seems very likely.

I think we might need the masters to hit Akechi, since apparently Akechi can win.

Akechi might inherit the AM kill. That could be good.

Okay 7 left 2 scum except with a 3p we don't have the courtesy of sitting out what would be the MYLO Lynch.

What's left,
dedede
vanilla
jack
orderer
monitor

Not bad. No use trying to plan actions given that layout.

LC make votes changeable

JJJ didn't say anything that would suggest that in any way Dizzy could have been a master so I'm assuming no shenanigans on that front.

I saw that coming

bad bad leroy brown

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:10 pm @TonyStarkPrime what do you think of a ted lynch? Answer quickly.

Meh.

Vanilla, the Jailer, and Dedede (and maybe BTSC guy) are probably the three best roles at LYLO and we have two.

Having townie Vanilla is good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:15 pm Epignosis
Doesn't look like a civilian
BTSC theory for civilian role
Can fit with both teams
Would lynch

juliets
Looks like a civilian
Not great fit for Anti-Monitors
Can fit with the Masters in theory; I don't buy it
Would not lynch

Michelle
Looks similar to a civilian
Mechanical clearance from Anti-Monitors
Not great fit with Masters
Would not lynch

speedchuck
Looks like a civilian via emotional appeal
Can fit with both teams
Would not lynch

tedxtr
Looks like a civilian
Mediocre fit with Anti-Monitors
Mediocre fit with Masters
Need convincing

TonyStarkPrime
Looks like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Tranq
Doesn't look like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

to be completely honest the colors seem pretty random given the statements above them

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:35 pm I have three hours. I’m going to read JOH’s stuff on Jay last day to see if I can glean anything.
You have had many hours. Why are you stirring shit up toward the end of the Day phase?
Change of heart.

Also I voted for Tranq at the beginning of the day as well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:35 pm I have three hours. I’m going to read JOH’s stuff on Jay last day to see if I can glean anything.
You have had many hours. Why are you stirring shit up toward the end of the Day phase?

Change of heart.

I’m also going to actually be slightly disappointed if someone doesn’t activate the take five bomb this game. Maybe a dead person had it.

It was super my least favorite part of Girl Genius.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:34 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:30 pm No. I’m not voting for Jay. If he tricked me, he deserves to win. I’m not going to let people who have snuck through on the medium red part of everyone’s reads lists for weeks have this just so I don’t feel like I’m getting suckered.
I want to move off of him but I can't move to Tranq at this point.
Alright does any other lynch interest you?
I could maybe vote for Speed.
ted is my highest interest lynch. Tell me again why we don't want to lynch the anti-monitor tonight? I'm confused about that part.

I mean it’s probably fine. Ideally we’d do it tomorrow after eliminating the master team. There’s more potential room for error with two teams remaining.

Reread day 7. Every single Jack post was about Jay. quite a few about how Sloonei was probably his teammate.

I have three hours. I’m going to read JOH’s stuff on Jay last day to see if I can glean anything.

But I don’t think Jay would vote for Speed.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:30 pm No. I’m not voting for Jay. If he tricked me, he deserves to win. I’m not going to let people who have snuck through on the medium red part of everyone’s reads lists for weeks have this just so I don’t feel like I’m getting suckered.
I want to move off of him but I can't move to Tranq at this point.

Alright does any other lynch interest you?
I could maybe vote for Speed.

If Jay is town or 3P, Tranq Ted Speed/Epi probably fill the scum spots. Feel the most confident on Ted but he falls into AM suspicion. Tranq is a reasonable lynch as he’s not likely to be the AM and is compatible with the Master team members. I feel that Epi is probably the most likely to fill the final spot on that team.

God I’m getting suckered

No. I’m not voting for Jay. If he tricked me, he deserves to win. I’m not going to let people who have snuck through on the medium red part of everyone’s reads lists for weeks have this just so I don’t feel like I’m getting suckered.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:28 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.
I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.
I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.
It’s a good self defense.
Yes, it is.
He’s scum, right?

tell me he’s scum juliets

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.
I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.
I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.
It’s a good self defense.
Yes, it is.

He’s scum, right?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.
I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.
I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.

It’s a good self defense.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:38 pm I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.
This is a champions game. If he were paired with Sloonei he could do it, if he were the AM then he’s basically been playing as town.

In fact, to the AM end, Jay was pretty quiet the first few days by his standards. It only picked up around day 5.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:06 pm 900 posts in about 25 days, or about what, 36 ppd?

23 days I think and he was out of thread for 2 of them

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

This is a champions game. If he were paired with Sloonei he could do it, if he were the AM then he’s basically been playing as town.

If Sig had full control, the way he split it seems ideal for his purposes. I think that’s likely.

Juliets I’m not 100 percent sure on the Sig teammate thing. Sig did imply numerous times that he was trying to stay alive, trying to fool us. He said he wasn’t dying any time soon. He wasn’t being bussed.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:02 pm ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.
1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?
My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Also balance of probability, at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:02 am Tranq on Sloonei

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Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:33 pm This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.
TH
Colin
Sloonei

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:35 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.
TH
Colin
Sloonei
Whaddya got on Sloonei?
Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:31 am I'll repeat myself:
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.
Is there anyone except JJJ and Sloonei that does not plan on voting JJJ tomorrow?

Tranq said nothing whatsoever about Sloonei until Day 6. He cast some late suspicion when it was obligatory and did nothing with it. He is still plenty compatible.

Disagree. Tranq was for a while the only voice of suspicion against Sloonei. I almost would’ve guessed he had some info.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.
Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.
There are no certain civilians with JJJ. That's a major problem at this stage. By now he would have clear opinions. Fickle. Would not touch. Would not even give him a stimulus package check.
Epignosis is a suspect for wasting time talking about me when I already have a 7-1 poll lead

We were at that point yesterday, I think.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.
Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

No proofreading done here.
Longer form: refusing to engage with someone you’re voting for, or refusal to own your vote, or things of that nature, is commonly used as a scum tell. But I’m not sure it’s particularly effective. That’s all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

I wouldn’t be doing this if I thought I’d be around seriously tomorrow. I want this day to be as productive as possible.

Okay I’m voting for Jay. If he flips scum, WIFOM coin flip on Tranq? Who knows.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:15 pm I just don't think Jay would have bussed two teammates. I know the Radish suspicion mirrors his bus of Elo in Transistors but two bussed teammates? I doubt it.

Was he super on the Radish lynch Day 1? I don’t remember.

We need to consider take V bomb as always, but I just realized that there’s a townie tie breaker, so it’s not that bad.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:11 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:59 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.
Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?
He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.
Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?
Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.
Not at 3 am for me, sorry, i'll come later and make the compatibility thing from my pov.

I thought you wouldn't answer with a question at my request of explaining why Jay as AM looks so obvious for you :/

I don’t think Jay is a great AM suspect, but I don’t think there’s anything, barring me forgetting an early interaction, that seriously bars anyone from being on that team. Jay receiving substantial push from what I assume is the Masters team if he isn’t a Master — though he’s right that Sloonei has his back — gives some credence to him being slightly more likely.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.
Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?
He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.
Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?

Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.
Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:55 pm I think Town is Jay Epi Me Michelle punch it in.
How do you delineate the other people?
Speed
Tranq

Ted

Juliets
I'm not sure what you're saying I am but you are wrong. And what is Dizzy?
Town or maybe switch with you for the 3P spot. Clearly not scum.
Ok, my best guess is he's the 3p. He is not town.

I’m taking Monty Hall odds unless you can provide me with a reason otherwise.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:55 pm I think Town is Jay Epi Me Michelle punch it in.
How do you delineate the other people?
Speed
Tranq

Ted

Juliets
I'm not sure what you're saying I am but you are wrong. And what is Dizzy?

Town or maybe switch with you for the 3P spot. Clearly not scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:22 am Sloonei on speedchuck

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:46 pm Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?
Thin Mints are nasty.
This also does not compute.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm SVS asked what I think of speedchuck. I think nothing of speedchuck yet, so let's fix that.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:46 pm Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?
Thin Mints are nasty.
Horrendous opinion, but NAI.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:05 pm speedchuck. What are you doing speedchuck. What's going on with these seven posts of yours, speedchuck.
Not a whole lot. What's going on with your

*checks*

59 why the hell.
His first on-topic post is nothing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:34 am I would rather vote nutella than jack, because nutella will start scumreading me any minute now.
His second is similarly nothing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:54 pm Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.
This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.
Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'
This is his most recent post. I'd like to see it followed up on. I can't draw any conclusions from this, or from anything in speedchuck's ISO (except that he doesn't like thin mints). Underwhelming sure, but nothing in here that makes me want to vote for him. speedchuck is a player who will contribute when he's able regardless of alignment.

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:31 pm I’m still sick and my head still hurts, so I probably won’t have a ton to say today again. This sucks.

I have an actual case against Radishes. I’ll post it if I find the energy. I have some things to say about speedchuck too. Saying those things requires less energy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:12 pm on closer inspection of speed, my thoughts haven't changed much: he's given us very little to work with, focusing on a limited range of topics. I do not fault him for that given his limited availability. There's nothing that makes me read him one way or the other. I would not campaign for his lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.
What do you think about sloonei's point from a few posts ago?
Ah, didn't see that post. I can see it.

I've also said the same thing myself several times as town [citation needed but I think I have]. I might could do it this game, but I wouldn't have time to follow up if someone DID tell me what to do!

Some part of me realizes that not much good comes from 'tell me what to do' though, so I do see it now.
Is that why everyone is voting there? For a point that was made only after everyone already voted there?
It’s one of the reasons my vote has been on him.

Another is that his reads have been weak and none of them are sticking anywhere. Caveat to that is that he doesn’t know any of us, but I feel like his efforts to develop reads (see above) have been flat too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:57 pm speedchuck gripes

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm @speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?
I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

i n t e r e s t i n g

Seriously though, chuck termed the Jacktella thing as interesting and specifically referenced tedxtr as a source of that intrigue -- without providing any actual take or stance. I don't know what the point of this observation is.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

chuck sharted on both the Radish and nutella wagons before engaging himself in the concurrent dialogues. At face value, I think this post looks fake. He answered this accusation already. I'm not moved.
These are the two points that move me the most. speed's answer to my my "developed thoughts" question could have been written by pete buttigieg, and the strong denouncement of both wagons on a day where he's not indicated that he's heavily informed is kinda bogus, especially given that he immedaitely followed that up by shrugging in support of one of those two wagons.
I've yet to fully articulate my Radishes case. Maybe I should do that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:57 pm Bottom 5 posters:
Tranq
Dragomir
G-man
sabie
speedchuck

Colin is 6th and Michelle is just behind him. Tranq has been AWOL. Drago was, but appeared at the start of this phase. Neither of them have done anything.
I’m frankly surprised that speedchuck has more posts than sabie and G-man; I feel like those latter two have been bigger presences in the thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:23 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:20 am Cross kills
Makes sense.

But if we’re talking about “keeping a low profile”, I feel like Drago and Tranq don’t really fit; they’ve simply been absent (I think). G-man and speedchuck would be the names that better fit the model of “coasting”.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
Expand on this, mr chuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:08 pm ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Turnip Head
juliets
S~V~S
Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr
sig
Dragomir
speedchuck
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)

If anyone wants to actually get into some nitty gritty discussion I'm keen. If there are any reads here that are wtf let's talk.
Why is nanook in the same tier as speedchuck and drago?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf
Distinctions like this are scummy.
Disagree. I say stuff like that all the time.

idk what nanook is talking about here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?
A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?
I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).
I take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:12 pm But we need it to be more than that.
Michelle? speedchuck?
What?
we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:12 pm But we need it to be more than that.
Michelle? speedchuck?
What?
we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.
I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine
If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
No, he is exactly who sig thought he was.
Then why isn't everyone like 'ltnch sig immediately'
Lynch sig immediately.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:41 pm My theory was that the Inception mechanic was triggered by sig. He's a role from Inception/Inception mafia with *secrets* and he was going to get lynched today, so he had nothing to lose.

My tinfoil about michelle was that she came into our small thread having already collected a bunch of posts from speedchuck to cast suspicion against. If sig triggered the thread-split, his teammate would have been aware it was going to happen and could have taken time to prepare a case against a vulnerable player who they knew would be in their reduced pool of players.

There's a lot of Ifs in there, so it's not something that would determine my vote under ordinary circumstances, but this phase was not ordinary circumstances.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:58 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:27 am Jack tell me why Epignosis is not Mac's teammate.
Thought you suspected speedchuck?
Bad Take

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:50 am so the idea was put Speed and Michelle in Div 2 when Speed is already a popular lynch option and then hope that no one emerges from Div 1?
At the time I didn't know what the lynch mechanics looked like. Maybe she would have wanted a player to scapegoat down there just to be on the safe side. Then again, if Michelle is the anti-monitor and has a -2 vote on her, then the chances of her getting lynched in a 6 person thread are pretty slim to begin with.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:55 am We even got the votes to work out perfectly to test out the theory if the mechanics had been the same as Original Inception: 3 votes on Michelle and 2 on speedchuck. If Michelle was in fact the anti-monitor, speedchuck would have been our level's non-fatal lynch victim, and we would have been able to surmise that Michelle was the anti-monitor. But alas...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:26 pm ^that is more in response to speed’s reception of Jay just now than my own stuff, but all of it is applicable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.
Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:50 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for poll management

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:09 pm daylight saving's got me all messed up. I feel like it should only be 5 right now but my clock says 7. We seem locked in on Colin vs. speedchuck at the moment. Has anyone come up with any new points on either of them that I might have missed? If we had to pivot to a third name (assuming TH is our secret lynch), who would it be?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:22 pm @Sloonei please scan the most recent few posts from Colin and speed and report your impressions.
If I was going to pick one over the other based on the previous page alone, I'd choose speedchuck. Colin's posts don't say much, but his tone is reminiscent of all those times I've driven the train over him. speedchuck was a bit more aggressive in his self-defense and I didn't find any of it particularly inspiring. He bends and shrugs at a lot of points against him and his reads weren't tremendous.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:26 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 pm Observers: Commence to comment.
I'm keen to lynch Colin. On that front, sure. I agree with your conclusion. One question:

You noted Colin agreeing with Dyslexicon about a point against Tony. You said you sought follow-up. Later you observed Colin's Day 2 vote for Tony and said you didn't know why he placed it. And lastly you mentioned that the "Tony stuff you were looking for" was vague.

Please expand on all of that. It looks disjointed to me, and at times I struggled to follow what you were saying in general within that case.
Colin didn't bother to interact with his suspects. That's a red flag. A vote doesn't mean anything to me, especially with more than one mafia. I was looking for Colin to parse his suspicion of Tony.

This is where I am. I'll read the rest after this in about an hour. And get roaring drunk. Again.
I feel like I just spoke this post into existence.
Talk to me about ted and speedchuck.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:27 pm Actually maybe there was something to my Michelle theory. I see no harm in bringing it up again. Who the hell knows at this point?
For reference:

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.
But if the theory is that the anti-monitor was on level 2, then this thread’s evidence points more to Jay or G-man, I think. Certainly not speedchuck, and I’d be shocked if it was juliets. Maybe it is her.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:18 am I cannot provide a good reason to remove speedchuck from the suspect pool. All I have there is a feeling that he's in a similar spot to Colin, and that he's the most likely bait in the poll at present.
On the flip side of this, yesterday boiled down to a choice between speedchuck and colin. Colin was chosen. It's not impossible that speed is town. But numbers are dwindling and there are confident town reads outside of him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:03 pm so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?
Observe the rainbow. Two of the bottom names were wrong, so it is likely flawed somewhere. But you and speedchuck remain among the oranges. Epi and Tranq were difficult to place. I would not be totally shocked if one of the light greens was also bad. I think Tony would be my first choice among them, but that's based largely on my general skepticism toward him as a player.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.
Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.
Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.
sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.
What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:28 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:02 am That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.
Would you confidently state that speedchuck is not the anti-monitor?

Tell me more about the yellow thing.
I would not. But sabie had at least one post where she took a definitive stance against speedchuck, which does not align with her handling of the other two members of her team.

In my exchange earlier with ted, he did the old “act incredulous in the face of moderate pressure” routine and I wasn’t a fan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.
There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?
On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.
Why vote at all?
what
A vote for me on Day 2 meant nothing. G-man threw his vote away.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.
All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.
Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?
From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:49 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:24 pm If the POE insists that I must be bad then the POE is wrong.
Could be. I sort of expected you to yell at me, at least with your Sloonei voice, about that out-of-nowhere read. So I'm probably right
I am yelling. Look how angry I am.

I don't see it as out-of-nowhere. I've been forced to reconsider my read on you. It makes sense to reconsider me as well. The POE is wrong if it includes me, and you may be fully aware of that. Walk me through why speedchuck can't be bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.
I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.
I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.
So you think he is the Anti-Monitor or just faking it? It doesn't sound fake to me but what do I know.
I doubt it was faked. Even without knowing speedchuck has a specific objection to emotional pleas, he doesn't seem like the type to say unkind things for the sake of scoring points in a game. But given the situation right now I'm not totally willing to dismiss him as a suspect for this. To be clear, it helps his case. It just does not completely absolve him in my eyes.

I don't have an answer to things right now. This game has kind of been back-burnered for me the last few days. I hope I have a chance to do solving things later. This isn't unwinnable.

"Absent" tier in Radish review

Orange in Mac review

Light green in sabie review

~~~

This reminds me in some ways of the way Sloonei treated Epignosis. When Sloonei talked about speedchuck, he really didn't say anything. That's not what I recall of his handling of Mac. I think it's telling that at the end there, when I was prepared to clear speedchuck by way of emotional outburst, that Sloonei clung to that much-needed suspect as much as he could. He knew he couldn't afford to lose that option, and it speaks well to speedchuck.

Doubt they're teammates

The reason I said Epi at first was because that was the one where I read your interpretation and called BS the second most. I saw a very reasonable team between them.
Speedchuck is second on that list, the holding suspicion works as TMI— not willing to clear a teammate so you can end up on the positive side of it if they’re gonna flip. Also, no teammate wants to clear someone for something stupid like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:55 pm I think Town is Jay Epi Me Michelle punch it in.
How do you delineate the other people?

Speed
Tranq

Ted

Juliets

I think Town is Jay Epi Me Michelle punch it in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:08 pm What precisely did you change your mind about regarding Epi?
TonyStarkPrime

About 12 seconds before I said maybe I’ll vote for Epi and then I changed it back 12 seconds after

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