The Syndicate

Well this game being over so quick makes me feel better about my original role getting lynched D1 since I wouldn't have had a chance in hell.

Woo town, and woo LC.

I mean the counterargument is that the role specifies they have to include at least one mafia member.

But yeah I'm good calling it town and moving on.

That does actually bring up something, I know Eloh has been basically cleared but can anybody remind me why? Unfortunately I've been a little less active between having my vote controlled and being crazy busy at work.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:54 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:37 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?
No why would you do that
Why wouldn’t we? An “extra lynch” is more data to analyze, etc. Do you trust Kyle more than you trust a bunch of other people put together?

Yep

If we actually have a hostile 3p I don't want them knowing Kyle's plan.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.
I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.
You don't think he may be blocked tonight? If there is a bad blocker (or item) or a 3P block, or a civ blocker taking suspicion, that he would not be a likely target for a block?

I am not a fan of the thread directing people how to use their powers and holding them hostage in this way.

"Like!"

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

No why would you do that

Ok after 12+ hours of work my brain is simply too tired to form thoughts. Tomorrow promises to be very busy, too. This 3 person poll came at a fortuitous time for me I think. I'll [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now because it seems like consensus but @ me if that changes.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:32 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:24 pm @sprityo assuming Kyle is also civ is there a reason we should keep you around over somebody who can have a "real" night power?
Mafia have to be more vague in their btsc. Me outing myself essentially removes my purpose outside of my one shot power which I didn’t disclose

I’ll probably use it tonight in the off chance mafia decides to off me

Assuming there's still a mafia BTSC at all tho

(still have to investigate that of course)

[mention]sprityo[/mention] assuming Kyle is also civ is there a reason we should keep you around over somebody who can have a "real" night power?

But it does make sense with your support of Luna. I think I'll buy the claim for now.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:19 pm Bob is making irrational arguments and it upsets me

The first thing totally wasn't a real statement.

The second though...

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:14 pm So I’m Satellite Surveillance Engineer, BTSC scanner, here’s my results

Night1: “i'll have a good go at blocking niju
genuine mafia candidate and easily supportable later when targets must be claimed“
Night2: "should make Niju vote for whoever I give 2 automatic votes"
Night3: "So are we going to not lynch Luna for the third day?"
Night4: "They’re going to hate my Elohcin vote! Fun"

Oh god the wifom it hurts

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:04 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:12 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:16 pm Speed looks the worst, Kyle townslipped so he's out, and sprityo needs to completely roleclaim or I'll switch to him. It's time. No more coyness.
That’s one vote for roleclaim

Any more?

I’ll tell you guys once I’m off work or get the free time to make a larger post about it
Sounds like an "I need some time to think of something to claim so you can stop thinking I am mafia."
I’m sorry I work for Uncle Sam and have an irregular schedule

>work for Uncle Sam
>busy at work until later

Lynch all liars

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:45 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:13 am OMG. Never, ever, ever, ever will I believe Jay again using personal reasons for not posting up to his usual level in a game. That was an inspired shot from whoever did it. I don't know if it's a civ vig or an SK, I don't feel like I have enough info to tell. I'm going to assume for now there is one more mafia.
He's done it in like 2-3 other games as town. Don't kick Jay off the site because he was scum in this game.

Yeah Jay's post quantity didn't make me think he was bad, his lack of hunt did.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] what do you do

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:02 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:19 am I formatted my question up there crappily. @speedchuck , you said you would answer any questions.

My question is who do you think we should lynch instead of you, and why? No self defense reasons please, why do you think this other person is bad?

Same question @Kylemii and @sprityo , and if any of you already answered, can you direct me to it as I did not come in here most of the day yesterday.

Thanks.
I think sprityo is our best option. I explained more earlier but in summation i don't like the way he handled the lunalee thing. I don't like that he implied having information before backtracking and saying he didn't have information and saying it was actually intuition (okay this much is fine, I can see why one might do that) but then when lunalee flipped bad he claimed that he did ha e information but he read it wrong. idk why sprityo makes that post Luna death correction except to save face.

Where did he say it was just intuition

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:01 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:59 pm assassinations have been on the even nights. :\ maybe it's an alternating thing and the mafia only kills on odds, meaning there's someone else assassinating on even nights? could that be it
could be. but do you think one person would have that much power?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:39 pm How entirely off the table is it for mafia to force one of their own to vote a civ to throw us off the trail?

Not off the table, but I think forcing a civ to vote mafia is more likely (if they're trying shenanigans).

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Shang Tsung

As the sorcerer of Outworld, you have brought forth the souls of ancient kings and spirits to enslave Earthrealm. Your sorcery enables you to absorb the soul of whomever your team kills, and for the next phase, you will have that individual’s power at your disposal. As long as you are alive, the identity of your victim is shrouded in mystery.
That's DH's role... sorry for the sudden interjection, but what about the orange-highlighted part?

I've been operating under the assumption that DH killed Mac and then used his power on me (the 'wounding' resulting in two extra votes).

BUT if DH killed Mac, then Mac's identity should have been 'shrouded in mystery'.

If Mac's identity was made clear, then Shang Tsung did not kill Mac.

But Mac's power was (presumably) used on me after he died.

Was Dharmahelper really Shang Tsung? Did someone other than Shang Tsung kill Mac, and thus the wounding of me was from some other source? I must be missing something here... or maybe Epi just forgot to shroud Mac in mystery?

DH didn't have to kill to steal the power

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:16 pm I agree with S~V~S that anyone could and would do anything, scum or not. Regarding the next moves however, I've got some people I'm treating as town lock and townreads until further notice.

Town Lock IMO:
nutella
S~V~S
sig
novaselinever

Almost Town Lock:
Long Con
ColinisCool

Reading Rainbow
colonialbob
Kylemii
JaggedJimmyJay
Elochin
Enrique
juliets
nijuukyugou
sprityo

Talk to me about Jules and Kyle please.

Jules too

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:16 pm Niju is the worst looking vote on the Eloh wagon (I say without catching up). The two off votes are weird. cbob, sprit, what gives?

If you don't understand my vote I really don't know what to say

Nice work SVS/nut apparently! (Sorry I was busy all day and since my vote was locked I didn't figure it was that important)

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:04 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:41 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm @Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.
Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?

You've already open claimed, sharing your target list is much more beneficial to town than scum because town has info roles that need to know if they can trust their info. Scum (usually) doesn't - they don't really care if they blocked the wrong person two nights ago.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 pm You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

Mainstream Media won't report real facts - prefer to attack innocent townie instead! Sad!

- Eloh's Twitter, probably

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:44 pm Elo-chin, huh? I'll check back on that tomorrow - we just got a Switch and that's tonight's activity. And possibly every night's activity, forever.

oh that reminds me: SW-0615-9082-2720

smash broooooooos

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.
hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here
I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

President quotes were popular (and also exhausting)

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:08 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:56 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:57 pm Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.
Gross
Did I say something nasty?

Yes

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:41 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm @Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

+1

This info being public helps town.

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:00 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:56 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:57 pm Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.
Gross
you could like, vote Eloh with me.

Would that I could

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:57 pm Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:11 pm sorry i know i'm kind of just talking to myself here, but i'm trying to establish context without having to read anything, would mafia before day 2 have expected TH to be a solid lynch contender on day 2? particularly more solid than sloonei?

My recollection was that he was among the pool of suspects but not at the top or anything. D2 there's still a big pool of course.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:32 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:59 pm It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.
And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:26 pm I'm very sympathetic to the "the Mafia" phrasing pointing to one group, but how big it is, I dunno.

The only question for me is what happened N2? Assassination of Quin + no other kill.

I'm open to baddie Luna but it's almost entirely because of the wand so I want to examine that closely.

[mention]sig[/mention] what made you change from two mafias being most likely secnario?

Re: wand - if it's a one-shot doesn't a baddie team try to save it until it actually matters? Was TH taking suspicion D1? Who (if anybody) pushed TH on D2?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:59 am Anybody got tinfoil vibes on colonialbob?

No.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:03 am RIP TH, very cool role.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:06 pm DH getting votes "for no reason" is something DH said himself repeatedly, so there may have been a consensus in the baddie chatroom that they didn't understand the logic of the suspicion against him. In this way, I think Elo looks mafia.
Oh I didn't think about that TH, good point.
I am not mafia and I still don't understand the DH votes even though I am glad you guys got him. I just don't understand why someone wasn't nice enough to explain it to me. And I would not kill TH this early in a game. I like him too much. That has to be a set up. Since he is suspecting me, mafia thinks if they kill him, you all will look at me. Why would I do that. Why would I go after the guy who suspects me so you will all look at me. When I am mafia, I try to kill as random as possible so no one can trace the kill. Derp, people.

You know what's worse than NK analysis? NK choice self-analysis.

I'm sorry nobody explained the DH reasoning, but that doesn't change the fact that you came in and agreed with his Nutella reasoning (which was, to use a phrase he would've used, mondo garbo) and worked to put a vote somewhere else. Especially given the "why am I getting votes is a reflection of wolf chat" theory, you definitely look teammate compatible. Surely you can see that?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:32 pm While I'm waiting for an answer to my question I think I'll join c-bob for a Jay vote.

I do not think, I merely vote

Speaking of votes for no reason...

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:29 pm Inb4 Juliets is DH's teammate and Mac really did nail the whole team

NK analysis is bunk

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:03 pm The other option ofc, which makes more sense, is we have two teams, the other team killed quin which is why DH was mad since the main reason he got votes was due to something outside his control.

Stahp

There's literally 0 evidence of two teams, rather the opposite, and suggesting it makes me very suspicious.

were* oh auto correct

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:18 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:23 am In what way did you advocate for DH's lynch? You spent the whole day saying shit like "yeah dh is probably bad but we should focus on lynching luna today. yeah let's just lynch luna but dh is bad k"
No I've said all day both are bad and both should he lynched why try to flip the narrative and redirect away from luna?
Low-key complaining about a scumlynch?
I'm complaining that people are auto clearing Luna for no reason what so ever.

Just because you don't like the reasons doesn't mean they aren't there.

This sounds like DH railing about how the votes on him we're for no reason...

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:54 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:42 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:15 am Yeah that feels super helpful. I didn’t see it coming by EOD so kudos to those whose radars are better tuned than mine.

I have entertained the notion of nutella being scum based on her attested history of bussing, but ... I don’t think so this time.
The fact that DH was the one accusing nutella of bussing makes her look a lot better after his flip.
Nope it doesn't at all, it's a classic distancing move that made perfect sense for DH to use once it was obvious he'd be lynched.

He started throwing shit well before it was obvious he be lynched. The Luna train was leading/tied until pretty late in the day.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:23 am In what way did you advocate for DH's lynch? You spent the whole day saying shit like "yeah dh is probably bad but we should focus on lynching luna today. yeah let's just lynch luna but dh is bad k"
To Luna comment did I actual vote for him no, it wasn't needed yet I repeatedly said I was just as happy with his lynch as I was with Luna. Who i still believe 100% is mafia. It would make the most sense if we had two teams and she was on the other one, but even if we dont I believe what we saw was a distancing attempt by mafia today from nutella, Luna, and DH.

Stahp

Tfw people are still trying to paint Nutella as mafia

OMG he was bad, le gasp

Ipeenoses wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:59 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:58 pm It would be really funny if Luna gets "saved" three days in a row tbh
why is your head toast

It's not tho

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