The Game of Champions 2018 [ENDGAME]

[Elohcin]

Eloh: I mean that if you were scum, you probably would have wanted to vote DH (unless they were both teammates of yours, but then, IDK)

Oh, I see. Yeah, if I were bad I would have voted DH. If DH AND Luna were bad, I would have voted the one with the most votes to try and get civ cred.

[Kylemii]

Kyle: sorta hate his vote tbh. And he parrots DH’s reasoning/logic/language. I think TH’s observation about that was VERY savvy.

i wasn't parroting his reasoning dude i was repeating it and talking about what it might mean about him. there wasn't enough context in DH's posts to figure out what the case against him was or why he was being lynched, that was the point of what i was saying. not "DH says there isn't a case against him so i think he must be right"

[S~V~S]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] you can look the other way. I am a civ.

I just suspected Luna (erroneously) in another game, Asunder. In that game she was very aggressive in her suspicions; she wasn't shy and she didn't pull punches. I did not see that here so much, she was very tentative out of the gate and mainly rephrased other peoples suspicions, then when she did have her own suspects, it was for what I found to be disingenuous reasons. I found her play, outside of thread interactions, to be suspicious.

Plus I came back from a a long break to find people playing differently than when I left. I rely on a persons posts in and of themselves. I think any and all thread interactions can be faked, so while that is important, so it what a person says.

But now I come back from work to see her taking votes again, lol. So

[S~V~S]

I still don't understand the amount of "would" someone or "would they not" going on in this thread.

Some people would do anything. I Saw LC throw HIMSELF under the bus to gain an advantage for his team once. Geez.

[juliets]

@ColinIsCool you can look the other way. I am a civ.

I just suspected Luna (erroneously) in another game, Asunder. In that game she was very aggressive in her suspicions; she wasn't shy and she didn't pull punches. I did not see that here so much, she was very tentative out of the gate and mainly rephrased other peoples suspicions, then when she did have her own suspects, it was for what I found to be disingenuous reasons. I found her play, outside of thread interactions, to be suspicious.

Plus I came back from a a long break to find people playing differently than when I left. I rely on a persons posts in and of themselves. I think any and all thread interactions can be faked, so while that is important, so it what a person says.

But now I come back from work to see her taking votes again, lol. So

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

[S~V~S]

@ColinIsCool you can look the other way. I am a civ.

I just suspected Luna (erroneously) in another game, Asunder. In that game she was very aggressive in her suspicions; she wasn't shy and she didn't pull punches. I did not see that here so much, she was very tentative out of the gate and mainly rephrased other peoples suspicions, then when she did have her own suspects, it was for what I found to be disingenuous reasons. I found her play, outside of thread interactions, to be suspicious.

Plus I came back from a a long break to find people playing differently than when I left. I rely on a persons posts in and of themselves. I think any and all thread interactions can be faked, so while that is important, so it what a person says.

But now I come back from work to see her taking votes again, lol. So

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

I did not get that far yet, thanks for the tl;dr. There is a lot of esoteric reasoning going on in this game, I am off the next two days and snow is coming in so I am made of time and hope to get a better grip on it.

I feel like a complete loser in this game re my gut, I will be pleased if I was right and she actually is bad. DH is super smart and a very audacious player, I am not so sure I would take his performance last night at face value.

[Kylemii]

for clarification purposes, what lycn was speedchuck forced to vote for Turnip head during? was it 1 or 2

[juliets]

for clarification purposes, what lycn was speedchuck forced to vote for Turnip head during? was it 1 or 2

it was the day we were all cursed - wasn't that 2?

[Kylemii]

or 3??

[Kylemii]

hmm ok

[Kylemii]

lunalee hadn't expressed any sort of suspicion of TH prior to having made speedchuck vote for him, or anything else other then an general awareness of his existence

she had him as town in her apparently literal gun to head list, then later she commented that she didn't remember much of what turnip head had done

[speedchuck]

for clarification purposes, what lycn was speedchuck forced to vote for Turnip head during? was it 1 or 2

it was the day we were all cursed - wasn't that 2?

Day 2

[Kylemii]

were the poll day 0 items expirant? would there have been a rush to use the wand asap?

[juliets]

were the poll day 0 items expirant? would there have been a rush to use the wand asap?

I don't know the particulars of all the items. Mind didn't have an expiration and I'm sure Luna would have said if hers did.

[speedchuck]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

[juliets]

lunalee hadn't expressed any sort of suspicion of TH prior to having made speedchuck vote for him, or anything else other then an general awareness of his existence

she had him as town in her apparently literal gun to head list, then later she commented that she didn't remember much of what turnip head had done

Yes I don't remember Luna expressing any suspicion of TH prior to the forced vote.

[juliets]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Whoa, slow down there partner. Read my earlier posts. The main reason I think she is bad is the compelled vote on the same day that the other forcer compelled me to vote TH as well. That appears to be coordinated. Could there be another explanation? Sure - thats why I asked others what they think. But why isn't Luna arguing with me about that?

[S~V~S]

were the poll day 0 items expirant? would there have been a rush to use the wand asap?

I have the radio, and it does not have an expiration. I know that when I have an item, or a one time power, I tend to use it ASAP in case I get killed, but that is me. I have the willpower of a three year old.

[speedchuck]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Whoa, slow down there partner. Read my earlier posts. The main reason I think she is bad is the compelled vote on the same day that the other forcer compelled me to vote TH as well. That appears to be coordinated. Could there be another explanation? Sure - thats why I asked others what they think. But why isn't Luna arguing with me about that?

I have commented on that as well. But the above quoted post still exists, and is not about the coordination.

[juliets]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Whoa, slow down there partner. Read my earlier posts. The main reason I think she is bad is the compelled vote on the same day that the other forcer compelled me to vote TH as well. That appears to be coordinated. Could there be another explanation? Sure - thats why I asked others what they think. But why isn't Luna arguing with me about that?

I have commented on that as well. But the above quoted post still exists, and is not about the coordination.

Yes, I don't back off my thoughts about using the item more strategically. But it could be the baddie team wanted to double force early in the game before they lost the power to do it twice.

[Kylemii]

question 3:

would it have been made public knowledge that lunalee had the wand at all, and that it was a vote force, and that she used it on speedchuck to make him vote for TH etc, if she hadn't revealed that herself?

[Kylemii]

wait nevermind i didn't read far enough, the answers to half of those questions were revealed by juliets

[Kylemii]

i see

[juliets]

wait nevermind i didn't read far enough, the answers to half of those questions were revealed by juliets

ok

[Kylemii]

sorry i know i'm kind of just talking to myself here, but i'm trying to establish context without having to read anything, would mafia before day 2 have expected TH to be a solid lynch contender on day 2? particularly more solid than sloonei?

[juliets]

sorry i know i'm kind of just talking to myself here, but i'm trying to establish context without having to read anything, would mafia before day 2 have expected TH to be a solid lynch contender on day 2? particularly more solid than sloonei?

Well he only got two votes day 1 but personally it did not seem like things were building to a TH Lynch on day 2. I was confused as to why I was compelled to vote there except I had voted for him on day 1.

[Lunalee]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Whoa, slow down there partner. Read my earlier posts. The main reason I think she is bad is the compelled vote on the same day that the other forcer compelled me to vote TH as well. That appears to be coordinated. Could there be another explanation? Sure - thats why I asked others what they think. But why isn't Luna arguing with me about that?

cause I already told you what happened, and I can't really force you to accept that. I see no reason to argue with you about what you think happened.

[juliets]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Whoa, slow down there partner. Read my earlier posts. The main reason I think she is bad is the compelled vote on the same day that the other forcer compelled me to vote TH as well. That appears to be coordinated. Could there be another explanation? Sure - thats why I asked others what they think. But why isn't Luna arguing with me about that?

cause I already told you what happened, and I can't really force you to accept that. I see no reason to argue with you about what you think happened.

ok

[Lunalee]

Luna, have you had suspicion of and/or voted TH? Can't remember.

I did sort of suspect TH for his interactions with DH, but I didn't vote Turnip since it was close to EOD and he had no chance of getting lynched.

[colonialbob]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

[colonialbob]

sorry i know i'm kind of just talking to myself here, but i'm trying to establish context without having to read anything, would mafia before day 2 have expected TH to be a solid lynch contender on day 2? particularly more solid than sloonei?

My recollection was that he was among the pool of suspects but not at the top or anything. D2 there's still a big pool of course.

[Lunalee]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

Because Speed is super sweet like that and knows I don't like getting mislynched.

[juliets]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

Because Speed is super sweet like that and knows I don't like getting mislynched.

Luna I don't want to mis-lynch you either but to move my vote I had to convince myself that it was a complete coincidence that you compelled speed to vote Turnip and someone likely mafia compelled me to vote him too.

[juliets]

EBWOP: have not had

[novaselinenever]

So we're not trusting Sprit? He vouched for her, and I switched earlier

[juliets]

So we're not trusting Sprit? He vouched for her, and I switched earlier

Oh I need to look back at that vouch. I don't know what to believe nova, the wand thing looks so black and white to me. I keep thinking if I don't vote for her given that evidence I'm stupid. Yet maybe, just maybe, it's not what it seems.

[juliets]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

[Lunalee]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Oh hey, that's cool.

[juliets]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] come and tell us whether this is a vouch (you know it to be true) or an opinion based on her posts/behavior.

[speedchuck]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

No mechanical reason. Just a hunch. I've gotten used to reading Luna in mafia games a bit, I think.
I'd bet anything that Luna used the wand because she thought she'd be lynched D2 and wanted to use the cool item.
She might have made me target TH because he "Liked!" my surgery post, for lols.

The only thing I could remotely suspect her for in the game so far is that there were coordinated "possessions" with me and Juliets. At the same time, I see no mafia motive or reasonable suspicion beyond "this is so synchronized y'all" in that event.
Given that the Wand was a unique item, someone copying the power or using another item that duplicates the effect wouldn't be out of the picture. Anyway, I'm not voting for Luna over night action screwery that has no concrete scum leaning.

And if Luna were on a mafia team, they'd be screaming "NO, DON'T WASTE THE VOTE FORCING ABILITY ON DAY 2!" Just an afterthought.

[novaselinenever]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.

[juliets]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.

That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. [mention]sprityo[/mention]

[juliets]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

No mechanical reason. Just a hunch. I've gotten used to reading Luna in mafia games a bit, I think.
I'd bet anything that Luna used the wand because she thought she'd be lynched D2 and wanted to use the cool item.
She might have made me target TH because he "Liked!" my surgery post, for lols.

The only thing I could remotely suspect her for in the game so far is that there were coordinated "possessions" with me and Juliets. At the same time, I see no mafia motive or reasonable suspicion beyond "this is so synchronized y'all" in that event.
Given that the Wand was a unique item, someone copying the power or using another item that duplicates the effect wouldn't be out of the picture. Anyway, I'm not voting for Luna over night action screwery that has no concrete scum leaning.

And if Luna were on a mafia team, they'd be screaming "NO, DON'T WASTE THE VOTE FORCING ABILITY ON DAY 2!" Just an afterthought.

Ok I get the underlined - but why are you coming up with that instead of Luna explaining it when I asked?

[juliets]

speed it seems like you are trying to discredit me and my information instead of trying to consider it as part of the whole picture, calling it "night action screwery". I find that odd.

[Elohcin]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

[colonialbob]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

[Lunalee]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

you could like, vote Eloh with me.

[colonialbob]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

you could like, vote Eloh with me.

Would that I could

[juliets]

I was wondering who it was this time.

[novaselinenever]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] Who did you redirect all these nights?