The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:48 pm One thing I probably just missed when looking at the roles, why were there only three people on the last poll?

Monica, Elohcin's role.

No love for speedchuck in those picks.

Feelsbadman

TFW [mention]Elohcin[/mention] has a party and the only person that she really wanted to be there doesn't come because he dead.

It's not like she kept us from lynching mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:58 pm This might be the shortest non-heist game I've ever hosted. The mafia had the worst luck I've ever witnessed.

Agreed. Wow.

What was the Epi vs. TH results? I want to see the picks and points!

Ooh, nice. I like the fiddler roof reference.

Well played, civs! Nice targeting, LC, whatever your role was.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:28 am He said eko, not Elo. Eko is what we sometimes call Enrique (in the old days).

Why tho

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:51 pm Well if speeds getting lynched, that means I’ll be the nightkill target probably

Seeing as roleblocking colin is a possibility or he gets redirected or even if he does get killed, his big kill should still go through so they could just leave him as a van-townie after he uses his vig kill

You mean Kylemii?

(and I don't mean kill kylemii, I mean evaluate him based on eventual follow-through)

I'd semi-clear Elohcin for now.

Deal with Enrique and Kylemii, then start looking for the SK if that's what the assassin is.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:51 pm It was me. My role is Monica and to invite at least 4 people to a lynch party. After trying my best to get the opinion of who I believed to be town and taking my own thoughts into consideration, I chose the three current poll options as well as Jay. Then Jay was killed. I asked Epi if I needed to choose another invite and he said no, it will be as it is. Jay and chuck were my top suspects of all. I really felt with the list narrowed to these we would get a baddie for sure. But now, as we already got jay before the poll could even go up, I am not so sure. I feel bad, but the consensus was the people I picked. I know several people were happy with the three choices at the beginning of the day. Now, at least we have gained info through role claims and can move forward from it.

I was happy with them at the beginning of the day, especially JJJ lol.

We would have lynched JJJ today, so you did the right thing.
We also have forced Kylemii into a make-it-or-break-it scenario, and with Sprit's help we have more info than ever.

It could have turned out better, but only because we had a scum die off early. It's cool.

Actually you don't have to answer that. I've encouraged enough roleclaiming. But it makes the most sense that way.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:18 pm If there's a scum left, I'm pretty sure it's Eloh or Enrique. Everyone else is clear or very, very, VERY good at being unaffiliated with the rest of the team.
DO you think a townie made the short poll list for us?

I've been struggling with that, in a lot of ways.

If we were all town, would the host allow it?
If I was a townie, would I select these three? (Without the knowledge I had.)
If I was scum, would I pick these three?
Could this come from the same place the insanity came from?

I don't know, is my final answer. I hate the ability and wish it hadn't been used in any case. While I can see town or mafia using it, I think between the two it is more likely TOWN. Why? Because Mafia would LOVE to make us lynch out of three near town-lock players, and yet they picked the three most suspicious players that were actually active (not enrique).

And it was you, wasn't it?

I honestly assumed I'd have the role check by now haha

2 civ lynches -> vote block
3 civ lynches -> role check
4 civ lynches -> lynch stop
5 civ lynches -> skip night phase
6 civ lynches -> we've lost the game already lol

I don't care about the vote block and I won't probably live to get the role check even if I'm not lynched.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:43 pm Lynching speed after all this effort feels crass.

If I wasn't getting lynched I wouldn't be going to the effort. Gotta cram a game's worth of scumhunting into a day.

Also I'm bored. But I'm fine with getting lynched, really. I make more sense than the others, and there isn't a no-lynch option (which I wouldn't suggest anyway, because I'm not cleared by any means and likely won't be for days)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:30 pm
Whoever had their vote forced on D3 is not the SK because the kill would have been redirected as well.

Huh? Not necessarily, I don't think.

Spoiler: show

Tell me that Luna made the SK target mafia on night 2.

Town/Mafia

Speedchuck
nijuukyugou
sprityo
juliets
nutella
novaselinever
S~V~S
colonialbob
Long Con
ColinisCool
sig

Kylemii - pending verification of vig kill

Elochin
Enrique

3P Possibilibililly
Speedchuck - conductor
sprityo - radio
juliets - wand knowledge
Enrique - hasn't been here at the required times

Kylemii - pending verification of vig kill

nijuukyugou
nutella
novaselinever
S~V~S
colonialbob
Long Con
ColinisCool
sig
Elochin

Whoever had their vote forced on D3 is not the SK because the kill would have been redirected as well.

I'm done for now.

It's fine [mention]Kylemii[/mention]. Unless you're not town, in which case, it's not fine

Help me find who was possessed on D3 pls?

If there's a scum left, I'm pretty sure it's Eloh or Enrique. Everyone else is clear or very, very, VERY good at being unaffiliated with the rest of the team.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:18 pm Actually on the other hand juliets kind of brought luna back into focus, some of us felt more like she was town after the DH lynch and juliets brought up a claim of new info. I don't think she fakes learning about the wand at that time. So never mind I think she's town. I guess she voted for eloh bc she trusted my/others' instincts over her own and that seems genuine.
I forgot about that development and missed it when skimming earlier days.

Yeah that sounds good. I can buy Juliets as town.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:13 pm wasn't juliets cleared at some point?

I might have. Been distracted by this 3-ring circus lynch.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:22 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:04 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:41 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 pm @Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?
I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.
Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.
Sorry, I'm not planning to share everything I've done with my role. It might help town, but it might also be useful info for scum. Would you share everything you've in this game openly with the thread?
You've already open claimed, sharing your target list is much more beneficial to town than scum because town has info roles that need to know if they can trust their info. Scum (usually) doesn't - they don't really care if they blocked the wrong person two nights ago.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:39 pm How entirely off the table is it for mafia to force one of their own to vote a civ to throw us off the trail?
Not off the table, but I think forcing a civ to vote mafia is more likely (if they're trying shenanigans).

Unless cbob was bussing-pushing luna at a bad time AND trying to ruin the mafia forcing him to target JJJ!mafia, then cbob is town/3P.

That last quote in particular might have swayed the assassin target. Or, y'know, BEEN the assassin.

cbob not maf is what I'm sayin

Reads

Speedchuck
nijuukyugou
sprityo
nutella
S~V~S
sig
novaselinever

Long Con
ColinisCool

Kylemii - pending verification of vig kill

juliets
colonialbob
Elochin
Enrique

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My updated list. This, of course, is a scum-town list. I have no idea how to evaluate whether someone is 3P.

Not assassin: Speedchuck, Sprityo, whoever was possessed D3

Gonna look at those four unknowns now.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:13 am I don’t think you’re lying Sprit but my point is there is nowhere in that message saying the mafia want to lynch nijuu. They want to block her. In fact, not lynching nijuu would probably be smarter for whoever said that because they want their target to sound reasonably suspicious, and assuming niju is town, that flip tanks that.

BTW I reread the role and JJJ literally cannot target his own teammates.\

Niju is town.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 pm @Enrique hi

Yeah kill him

Y'know, I was sitting here thinking "How did I miss Epi being in this game?" I'm tired today.

Kill him, Kylemii.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:45 pm that was a mistake but I stand by it

Luna was the scum redirector.
JJJ was the scum blocker.

Games almost never have more than one redirector or blocker on the mafia team. Kylemii should be able to get the kill through.

Actually, the scum redirector AND the scum blocker have flipped. Pay attention, y'all. Kylemii has almost no variables out of his control.

He should be the one to choose who gets vigged. He should also use the vig soon.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.
I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.
You don't think he may be blocked tonight? If there is a bad blocker (or item) or a 3P block, or a civ blocker taking suspicion, that he would not be a likely target for a block?

I am not a fan of the thread directing people how to use their powers and holding them hostage in this way.

The scum blocker is dead. I don't buy a 3p block. Civ block should f*** off.

If we hadn't had a scum blocker flip, I wouldn't have suggested it.
Beside, I said "Soon, like tonight." If you guys give Kylemii two days, to shake off redirects or blocks, that's up to you.

And how am I holding him hostage? I'll be dead.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 am i mean i feel like we reduced the PoE a lot today so that's good i guess but this feels awful

Defending a scummer to the death and then getting lynched for it is my GoC meta. It's cool.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 am I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

Hope not.

Assuming Kylemii is telling the truth, I'd agree my role is the most disposable in this gamestate.

I don't remotely suspect Sprit right now. If you lynch me, keep an eye on Kylemii.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:28 pm i'm a 1-shot vigilante

This seems really tame compared to everything that's been claimed or flipped

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:35 pm hmm idk, if we get into a messy endgame with 3Ps a vig shot might be a nice thing to have, but maybe that's about as likely as the game going long enough for speed to be useful so...

TBF if I got to endgame being able to skip a nightphase would be pretty sweet.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:29 pm what was the conductor's alignment/role power in the original game?

3p, but the conductor didn't have a role power in the original game, if I recall correctly.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:10 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:39 pm I feel like if Chuck was bad he'd have a lot more fire in him than to look at the poll and say "Well, AMA" but maybe not.

What game is The Conductor from? Is that the flavor text guy from Retro?
He was a 3p in a burglary I ran
But he's town here? Does that make sense?

Yes, because epi complained about the role not being town in its original incarnation. It wasn't a very well designed role, and epi was the one playing it.

The role in this game is completely different.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:39 pm I feel like if Chuck was bad he'd have a lot more fire in him than to look at the poll and say "Well, AMA" but maybe not.

What game is The Conductor from? Is that the flavor text guy from Retro?

He was a 3p in a burglary I ran

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:35 pm So, epi warns in his opening post against role claims which we’ve done good in until now

I want to say there’s something of a soup kill maybe at play or something to really punish role claims

I don’t think Epi would specifically put a soup kill in though because I haven’t EVER seen a game on TheSyndicate with it as a mechanic

Oh. I didn't notice that.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:24 pm @sprityo assuming Kyle is also civ is there a reason we should keep you around over somebody who can have a "real" night power?

???

Sprityo's chat thing singlehandedly has cleared Niju and Long Con IMO. And now, as long as he lives, it will prevent the mafia from freely chatting.

Wait there's only one left.

I only get good powers after like 3-4 town lynches yo. Let's not get there.

lol Sprityo thought that the night 3 snippet was frustrated mafia, but instead it was just incredulous. Good times.

Party pantsless with me, [mention]sprityo[/mention]. Party like it's my last night on earth.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:14 pm So I’m Satellite Surveillance Engineer, BTSC scanner, here’s my results

Night1: “i'll have a good go at blocking niju
genuine mafia candidate and easily supportable later when targets must be claimed“
Night2: "should make Niju vote for whoever I give 2 automatic votes"
Night3: "So are we going to not lynch Luna for the third day?"
Night4: "They’re going to hate my Elohcin vote! Fun"

Seems legit to me.

I'm the Conductor, the guy in my avatar. Town role. Flavor is that I want things to be dramatic. I get more powerful as more townies get lynched, to kinda balance things when town is doing poorly. So, right now, I'm vanilla. One more townie lynch and I'll start getting power. I max out at five civvy lynches, and I get stuff like a role check and a skipped night phase.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I believe Sprityo, I think. It's a really elaborate and sensible claim for him to make up. I'm voting Kylemii for posterity, but unless Kylemii is a 3P, I'm pretty sure we're stuck with a civvy lynch.

Beautiful. I, too, would happily take of my pants.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:44 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:37 pm He did also say Long Con and nijuu were mafia targets but I don't know any way we could verify that.
I don't even know what that means. They aren't dead.
I interpreted it as meaning they were targets of other powers (niju's vote was forced and LC was wounded and had a vote forced against him). And I was wrong, we can verify it because LC and ninja told us those things were true. The thing is, I'll look back but I think he verified AFTER they had already told us about their situations.

Also scum could totally self-target. More likely in Niju's case than LC's.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:37 pm He did also say Long Con and nijuu were mafia targets but I don't know any way we could verify that.

I don't even know what that means. They aren't dead.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:33 pm so sprityo's claim was and always had been that he is a non cop info role which received ambiguous Intel about lunalee that he misinterpreted

did he ever reveal any other targets or info about other players that can be verified?

He says Long Con and Niju are 100% town I think.

Not verifiable yet.

linki: cool, me neither

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:21 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 pm Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations
this is the post I was referring to^

however im pretty sure I've been misinterpreting it because now that I look back again sprityo clarifies that he does have information, he just doesn't have cop level information. I took the second sentence to be a denial of information, but later posts that happened before Luna's death also refer to information.

so it's not actually an inconsistency, I'm just dumb and bad at reading

Did you kill JJJ and Quinsly?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 am Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 pm Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:06 am
Spoiler: show
She was BOB, a member of the Mafia.

huh

would you look at that

i guess i misread my info

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:13 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:25 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:04 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:02 pm He also backtracked saying that it wasn't a result from any ability or whatnot, but rather his convictions.
this is false, it's related to my ability
This says otherwise.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 pm Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

It doesn’t? These two statements don’t contradict each other

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:15 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:55 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:06 am huh

would you look at that

i guess i misread my info
How is that possible?
Like I said I’m not a cop.

It’s kinda like the Mirror of Vague Truths

Except it’s not an alignment thing

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:37 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:35 pm I mean lynching me double confirms long con and nijuu as not mafia

so I’m not entirely against it.
In the same way you confirmed Luna to be not-mafia orrrrr
Nono, Luna was actually me misreading

Long con and nijuu were specifically mafia targets

For referencing pleasure

I'm taking Sprit to Claims Court. Who wants to attend the hearing?

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