The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:29 am I've played 37 games on The Syndicate and I have been a mafioso 6 times.

I've been mafia five times this year. It's the majority of my wins. :P

If I could roll a mafia role just once, just freakin' once

GGJJJ

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:18 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:10 pm @Dyslexicon why did you kill speedchuck?

I didn’t have time to think it through very well. Just seemed like my best chances of winning.

I was literally the only one townreading you

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:08 pm Wow remember that moment where dunya and I agree to lynch dizzy? That was crazy.

So wild.

Granted, of all the Quin voters Dizzy was most likely to be scum by placement. But I just didn't see it.

I'm glad the moral of this game ended up being "Trust Dunya's initial gut more because you are bad at hunting, speed" and not "Be meaner and lead all the lynches, speed."

Oh thank goodness it wasn't Dunya.

Well played Dizzy.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:25 pm i am also quite a bit concerned with how easily luna followed me onto Dizzy without having done her own research and homework yet and that leaves me feeling icky too.

jesus. why is mafia so much more simple when you're only spectating

*is dead and spectating*

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:46 pm Speed, care to comment? : p

Guess I misremembered the time. Like I said I probably did.

But if that makes me scum, I'd like to know why.

Because the post struck me as not genuine from beforehand. When you write "we went from" it feels like you're not a part of it. But then you write like you have thoughts and feelings about the lynch after Spacey voted and then "left for the day" (which I find a weird phrasing if "for the day" is within maximum 19 minutes). This also doesn't match when you actually posted in thread. You posted some time before Spacey voted, which does in fact match your 30 min to 2 hours window, and you post after deadline (cause Jimmay was late with the flip). Basically I think you're lying about the thoughts and feelings you had when you checked in the thread and saw we had moved to Quin and you left for the day.

What would be the purpose of me lying? And why is it that I wouldn't get my story straight?

It's not like I posted my retrospective to make myself look good. It is what it is. A jumbled mess of memories from a week and a half ago.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:46 pm Speed, care to comment? : p

Guess I misremembered the time. Like I said I probably did.

But if that makes me scum, I'd like to know why.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:27 amI'll answer this, but as a heads up, it's not going to make me look good. I won't sugar-coat it.

My vote was a D1 vote on someone whom I had suspicion. Come day end, I was much less certain of it, but still had some scum leanings. 25% scum in a game this small might have been an understatement, since everyone had a ~22% chance of being scum without a read, but it is what it is.

I still had an ever-so-light scumread on Dunya at the time. I was very unsure of myself, but nowhere else struck me as a target.

Came back to the thread later to check, before the lynch. We went from a tie between Dunya and Quin to a majority Quin lynch, with him one vote ahead. I shrugged, said 'okay, I guess I didn't have a strong townread on him', and then left for the day.

My only other option, as far as affecting the lynch, would have been to make sure Quin got lynched instead of Dunya by throwing my vote on there as well. I had no motivation to do that. Tell me why a town me would have done that, with a light scumread on Dunya and little in the way of a read on Quin.

Was it long before day end you came back to check? Don't know if you can recall.

between 30 minutes and 2 hours, ish. Don't recall exactly.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:39 amIn Fire Emblem, @dunya and I were both scum with Quin, I think. Not at the same time, though. I was her replacement. The team spent the whole game trying to bus each other like crazy.

Would Luna go along with it, I wonder? I actually have no idea. I don't think she would bus Quin like this without him suggesting it, but I could TOTALLY see him suggesting it.

K, what's with this site and bussing. This is good to know. But why was your first reaction to clear the Quin voters knowing Quin's history of bussing?

Small game. Too small for bussing, I thought. But I'm not so sure now.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 pm speedchuck's first post after the Quin lynch:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

Could be genuine, but if he were bad, he only eliminated three people with his "hot take" that Quin voters aren't scum.

And yet at the time you said this post meant I was town?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:11 pm oh was that it. i guess my bias doesnt let me see your town things as town cos i can find scum motive behind those posts.

Would you like to demonstrate your findings?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:02 pm speed, can you give me your reasons for town reading dizzy beyond intuition?

I did at some point already, and then quoted it for you as well. I had a "the SOMETHINGS of Dizzy" post that I wanted you to look at. It had some things marked 'town', and some with shrug marks that I wanted to discuss.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

IDK I don't like reading people based on emotional manipulation garbage.

Wouldn't scum be more likely to get heated about being suspected?

I don't know.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:50 pm I don't know how to read you people so I'm going to get nightkilled and let dizzy choose.

No. I'm going to be mad if you peace out and leave us in this mess.

deal with it

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

IDK I don't like reading people based on emotional manipulation garbage.

I'm just such a master of strategy.

I don't know how to read you people so I'm going to get nightkilled and let dizzy choose.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:47 pm oh wait, 3rd highest. speed caught up. that beast.

Oh, go on.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:45 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:44 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:43 pm So no, I'm putting you right below dizzy because dizzy has sort of disappeared for a bit, and the longer they are away, the more it looks like they are hiding to avoid suspicions.

And it's easier to mislynch someone who can't defend themself.

you really think I'm bad?

Currently between you and Dunya.

Though I haven't eliminated Dizzy.

Which is why we need the no lynch, clearly.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:43 pm So no, I'm putting you right below dizzy because dizzy has sort of disappeared for a bit, and the longer they are away, the more it looks like they are hiding to avoid suspicions.

And it's easier to mislynch someone who can't defend themself.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:35 pm I'm dragging it out for three more days.

easy for you to say, you're likely to get nk'd.

luna/dizzy, please kill me instead. please. i honestly have a life i have to get back to and stuff, and LyLo is not good for my mental health, thx.

I don't know whether to be amused or irritated that you saw right through me.

I'm dragging it out for three more days.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:14 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:48 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:13 pm Promise I will catch up. If I agree with Dunya and we remove Dizzy from the POE, then there's not much reason to wait a day and no lynch, is there?

are you saying you've removed me from your poe? pls explain

I'm not.

I was saying, if we all pre-emptively agree to remove Dizzy from the POE, then who will be killed tonight? Assuming we are all correct?

I guess we could wait for the kill to happen to make sure, but if you're removing Dizzy from your POE, it'll prolly condemn her to the nightkill.

what if dizzy was the last scum?

Even after that post of posts you gave, I still have an oh-so-light townread on her. Nothing jumps out at me about the way she treated Quin or Mac. But yeah, you're right. No-lynch is the way to go here.

Can you link me to your post that shows Dizzy's scummy things?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:15 pm so, my strategy was to scum read speed with a passion this phase so the last scum kills one of dizzy/luna.

but at this point, i'm worried i'll be killed and that strategy will go to waste big time. i mean, in theory it was smart, but i don't wanna fuck this up. i am almost certain speed is town. i feel less confident about who it can be between dizzy and luna, because i have found them both doing lots of scummy things, but if i had to choose one, it would be luna.

GTH:

speed - confident town
dizzy - town
luna - scum

When I saw that you had said "Nope, forget everything I said yesterday, speed is scum" I just sat back in my chair and said "I don't know what's going on."

The rest of Luna's stuff sends me either way.

Which, to be fair, she can practically coast if scum.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:02 pm This enigma:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:06 pm My first reaction is that I look like Quin's teammate

looks like it could be WIFOM from a TH teammate, but this makes it look less-so:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:08 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:02 am Oh, sorry I should've read more before posting.

I really liked what I saw from sabie. To quote Dizzy "raisins"

I realize on another read of sabie's posts that I could be wrong though...

inki: I meant Luna voted for Quin

Also I don't think it's you, I think it's TH.

But would scum TH come right out and say, "I realize I look like Quin's teammate?" That would be quite a bit of WIFOM there

I might next time, now This wine has fallen right into my glass, it'd be a shame not to drink it.

TH currently looks like the easy next lynch option. But I don't think it's that easy. I would look very closely at anyone pushing for a TH lynch.

How is Luna right about all the things?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:58 am Also right after the Quin lynch flip:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

I'd say pretty confidently that speedchuck is town.

I know Spacedaisy immediately agreed, but why tho.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:42 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:23 pm Oh hey, sabie12 this is cool. Dyslexicon town-reads dunya and scum-reads you, then does "catch up" stuff and comes back and scum-reads you while town-reading dunya.

Dyslexicon what was the basis for your first read list? And what drastically changed your views of dunya and sabie?

Those were just random reads I made up before even reading the game. Tried to make them at odds with what I skimmed on that page, but otherwise just random. Didn't get much out of it other than dunya removing her sabie12

I thought I had made this clear, but maybe not. Cindy Kate culture is a bit different than PerC.

Okay, that's an interesting strategy.

The 'interesting' tell.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:25 pm Voting Quin. I don't have the best feeling about him right now. Everyone else looks like varying levels of civ, and then there's Quin, who frankly hasn't done much to push him either way.

In Fire Emblem, [mention]dunya[/mention] and I were both scum with Quin, I think. Not at the same time, though. I was her replacement. The team spent the whole game trying to bus each other like crazy.

Would Luna go along with it, I wonder? I actually have no idea. I don't think she would bus Quin like this without him suggesting it, but I could TOTALLY see him suggesting it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:56 pm Also I think Speed v Dunya is Town v Town. Dunya mentioned the godfather role on instinct, because it's a pretty common role in mafia. But I think she's wrong because it sounds to me like scum would have an extra shot ability instead of godfather ability.

Sitting here wondering if this post consists of TMI or town-slips?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:58 pm for real tho, i have a genuine town read on sabie, spacedaisy and turnip. fight me. maybe speed too but after being reminded of MK, i'm less kind.

where's quin and nova. i wanna know which of them with Dizzy and Luna is scum.

Found this in my reread.

"I just jumped into the game for the first time what's going on oh and also here are the scummers" dunya is best dunya.

Don't give me any crap over the Self-Vote either. This game would be in a healthier place if I had been mislynched yesterday, leaving Mac to defend and puzzle it out between the three of you.

It can be a legitimate town strategy to kick up a ton of dust and then get yourself removed from the game, so that the dust can settle. Then people can read your posts and know that it's a townie perspective. That's what you're doing with Mac's posts and reads, [mention]dunya[/mention]. And he self-voted for a period of time as well. That could've been me.

Sheesh.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:31 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:40 pm Speed, can you please talk me through your dunya vote D1? From what I can see you said you went from dunya 85% scum to 25% scum. And then you talk about Quin being suspicious for some length. What was the reason you ended up voting dunya after all?

You were around after Spacey talked about how she didn't like the Quin lynch.

You were around again right after day had ended saying you had a busy afternoon.

i'd also like to know the answer to this. speed didn't respond yet. i think i've talked about that a few times and still not gotten a reply, just an overreaction when i suspected him.

all that i have read from him is that he had reasons to townread me and reasons to scumread me. but those numbers are alarming and his tone was that of someone who wasn't convinced. you said you weren't convinced fully i was scum either and so you voted for quin who hadn't contributed much so you would have felt less bad if he was town than if i had been mislynched. i believe that reason. it makes sense and is something i could see myself applying when choosing between 2 lynches. i can't believe speedchuck after being so wishy washy would keep his foot down on my d1 lynch, someone who is known to be a good town asset. it just doesn't add up with what i know about speed and his tone towards me in the thread.

I'll answer this, but as a heads up, it's not going to make me look good. I won't sugar-coat it.

My vote was a D1 vote on someone whom I had suspicion. Come day end, I was much less certain of it, but still had some scum leanings. 25% scum in a game this small might have been an understatement, since everyone had a ~22% chance of being scum without a read, but it is what it is.

I still had an ever-so-light scumread on Dunya at the time. I was very unsure of myself, but nowhere else struck me as a target.

Came back to the thread later to check, before the lynch. We went from a tie between Dunya and Quin to a majority Quin lynch, with him one vote ahead. I shrugged, said 'okay, I guess I didn't have a strong townread on him', and then left for the day.

My only other option, as far as affecting the lynch, would have been to make sure Quin got lynched instead of Dunya by throwing my vote on there as well. I had no motivation to do that. Tell me why a town me would have done that, with a light scumread on Dunya and little in the way of a read on Quin.

Oh, that wasn't a lot to catch up on. I feel better about my absence.

Now to catch up.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:48 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:13 pm Promise I will catch up. If I agree with Dunya and we remove Dizzy from the POE, then there's not much reason to wait a day and no lynch, is there?

are you saying you've removed me from your poe? pls explain

I'm not.

I was saying, if we all pre-emptively agree to remove Dizzy from the POE, then who will be killed tonight? Assuming we are all correct?

I guess we could wait for the kill to happen to make sure, but if you're removing Dizzy from your POE, it'll prolly condemn her to the nightkill.

I'll address anythings that are supposed to be addressed tomorrow.

I've been out of town all day.

Promise I will catch up. If I agree with Dunya and we remove Dizzy from the POE, then there's not much reason to wait a day and no lynch, is there?

Engh. Alright. I will do my best this day, for it will be our last.

... unless you guys want to no lynch, since this is the only time it'd be the correct course of action.

If dunya, Dizzy, Luna, and I are all suspects, mayhap we'll finally have a nightkill that narrows things down.

Anyway, off to thanksgiving #2: In-law edition.

linki: At the moment, I have really been depending on that second vote thing for my Luna read. I may have townread her earlier for other reasons, but I don't remember them. That's why I need to review.

(This linki is like 3 posts old now sheesh guys)

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:35 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:14 am I'll give Dizzy another look, for sure. I don't have much time during this night, but I will during the day. And who knows, maybe the choice will be easier thanks to the nightkill.

Spacedaisy should definitely self-target. 100%.

There is a post I made about Dizzy a while back. I'll grab it really quickly while I have the time.

fyi Spacedaisy. again, not my place to say anything, but please consider self targeting tonight rather than trying to save anyone so town has 1 confirmed townie in LyLo tomorrow. it's really important if we want a chance to win this. you play howveer you see it necessary though cos you know your role better than we do.

If she DOES protect herself it will be MYLO tomorrow, not LYLO. This is ideal because it means that she can try to WIFOM the mafia after the MYLO lynch, and possibly buy yet another day by protecting someone else or herself.
She could do that tonight, but the chances of success are better in LYLO, and plus we get a confirmed town in MYLO. Win-Win.

My earlier Dizzy ISO skim.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:15 pm

THE *SOMETHINGS* OF DIZZY

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 pm Thread needs more Space and Quin btw

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 pm iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii voteddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd lunalee

Whyyyyyyyyy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:31 pm I'm just reviewing the thread but if you guys want to ask me questions that would be way more fun.

linki: Dunya was scum in Greece. That is an interesting observation. I'd love to follow up on it, but first, what do you make of it?

Yeah, I know she was scum there. It didn't make me think dunya was scum any more, which I kind of wanted it to : p I'd like to read more games though if I have the time.

Town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:45 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 pm I don't know who I want to vote for. Either I'll just leave my vote on Quin because he hasn't done much, which is not a great reason. Meow. Normally I'd be tempted to sheep a town read, but I don't even know if I have a town read. Maybe Speed, but I think most of all he just tends to make sense to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:11 pm wow so i woke up late

jfc

I never fell asleep >_>

Also, hi! You about to die : p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:40 pm Quin, if you’re town, I’d like to know

Linki <dayend> omg!!!!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:02 pm K, if both Spacey and Luna think it's TH it might just be him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

what is "random bussing" and how does it differ from the regular bussing?

Random cause there was no need to bus Quin when there were other close wagons and it's not like he had done anything particularly scummy afaic. The vote was more of a lucky crap shoot for me at least. If you're going to nitpick the words I use I'm going to get very annoyed at a point, but annoyment is a necessary ingredient in a mafia game, so do whatever you feel. Point here being that if Luna or Spacey have a history of bussing like that then I would very much like to know. I don't know those two players all that well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I think it’s dunya.

i wont ask about daisy or luna, but why aren't mac or speedchuck in your poe?

you're fishy.

Are you even reading my posts? That is my PoE. Speed less so. But there's only one scum and I think it's you.

Town



The smilies above are the closest thing I can find to scum indicative posts. Maybe @dunya should do the SINS OF DIZZY post, since she has a scumread there. I'm sitting on the dizzytown button right now

Technically, the posts I marked as do look bad in places. A good starting point for a dizzy review?

I'll give Dizzy another look, for sure. I don't have much time during this night, but I will during the day. And who knows, maybe the choice will be easier thanks to the nightkill.

Spacedaisy should definitely self-target. 100%.

There is a post I made about Dizzy a while back. I'll grab it really quickly while I have the time.

I'm floundering. There are three people it could be.
Dunya.
Luna.
Dizzy.

I'm pretty sure it isn't Dizzy. I have a townread there.

I've been ignoring Luna after the lynch. Her vote is the only reason I townread her, but that's strong.

I don't think I'm the best person to revisit Dunya.