The Syndicate

Well I guess I’m about to find out whether or not I’m an asshole, eh?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:26 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:20 pm I think you’re bad. Why should I stop? Isn’t that kinda the point of the game?

I firmly believe you and LC were teammates.

I’m sorry if it’s annoying but it’s what I think
I post like 70 times and it does nothing to your opinion cause you aren't even playing the game with me. You've been stuck in the same rut for almost a week irl. We're on the same gd team.

I’ve read your posts and find you very eloquent and well spoken. Unfortunately I’m not finding you towny.

If you rand wolf, no amount of eloquence will make you town. You say you made 70 posts as if that has some bearing on alignment.

If im wrong im truly sorry im ruining your game by not changing my mind.

I think you’re bad. Why should I stop? Isn’t that kinda the point of the game?

I firmly believe you and LC were teammates.

I’m sorry if it’s annoying but it’s what I think

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:54 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:52 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm I’ll be gone for EoD. If Wilgy flips wolf, look at Roxy or Epi first. Nanook would be tinfoil level and not a first suspect. If Wilgy flips town, I think the game is harder than I expected and I’d look at Jack more closely. If Wilgy flips town I think our PoE is flawed.

If Nanook flips wolf I was probably wrong on Wilgy. If Nanook flips town I’d kill Wilgy unless there’s significant new evidence.

Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

If I don’t survive the night, good luck town.
Jack jt is
Might as well just claim wolf.

You say that as if you are towncore.

Silly not proofreading SVS said: Her legacy post was "If Wilgy flips time, it's time to reassess the POE, and to reassess Jack". I would have shot her, too, if I were you.

That should be, "If Wilgy flips town". Not even sure how I typed that as 'time'

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:31 am @☆Princess Abigail☆ roxy wasn't kidding tagging you is a pain

setting aside our.....differences

why is roxy a wolf?

How did you do this? I tried cut/paste into the tag, it didn't work. Sooo frustrating.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:10 pm Yes, the wolfteam Jack and Delta have the same stated POE as Thunal, so we shoot her. Brilliant.

Her legacy post was "If Wilgy flips time, it's time to reassess the POE, and to reassess Jack". I would have shot her, too, if I were you.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:10 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:29 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm I’ll be gone for EoD. If Wilgy flips wolf, look at Roxy or Epi first. Nanook would be tinfoil level and not a first suspect. If Wilgy flips town, I think the game is harder than I expected and I’d look at Jack more closely. If Wilgy flips town I think our PoE is flawed.

If Nanook flips wolf I was probably wrong on Wilgy. If Nanook flips town I’d kill Wilgy unless there’s significant new evidence.

Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

If I don’t survive the night, good luck town.

This is why Thunal was killed ^^^^
catching up
Spoiler: show
before I pass out (wedding was a blast) and then I'm flying tomorrow so no idea if I'll have wifi
so if you expand on this later but you're basically saying that Thunal was a fearkill? that scum Jack was so afraid of getting cased?

i wouldn't call it "fear"; I'd call it strategy. Not wanting the thread leader to case you is smart, not fearful. If you're wolves, and the strongest hunter in town is saying, "Hmm, we've been wrong, maybe we need to look at Jack", getting rid of her is a calculated risk. But potentially worth it. She posted it about 45 minuted before EOD when the thread was pretty busy, it could have gotten lost, people could have forgotten she said it. If I were bad Jack, it's prolly a risk I would have taken. She also wrenched the thread away from yeeting me. He wanted it to go away, and he prolly was hoping taking Thunals voice out of the thread would make it go away. His first post of the new day was replying to me, I voted for him like 15 minutes after the thread opened,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:15 pm Imma vote for Jack. I think he was partnered with LC.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Ffs do something besides repeat this. Please.

This is a person who wanted "Hmm let's reassess Jack" to go away, and to get back to the business of yeeting Roxy.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:09 pm The issue I have with Roxy trying to open up the POE is not just that she's trying to open up the POE in and of itself. I understand that town Roxy only has to disagree with one of Wilgy or Nanook being scum to think the POE is wrong.

It's also the way she's going about it.

And I admit this is totally unfair pushing someone in the hospital on medication but here we go.

viewtopic.php?p=1078615#p1078615

This feels limp. Telling me that I know I'm scum is a null statement. Roxy's mirroring someone else's words on Delta flip flopping. It doesn't feel like real hunting to me. It feels like desperate clawing.

viewtopic.php?p=1078605#p1078605

This also feels limp. "I should have voted you" "You haven't proven to me you are town" etc.

It doesn't feel like t!Roxying thinking she's got a wolf in her sights. It feels like desperately trying to open the POE to include townies because wolves are in a box.
this feels like you are trying to *close* the POE bc wolves are probs not in it
And since you are so willing to vote Nook then just put blinders on and vote for me then wigly.
It feels like you are going for: Game over Baddies win - you are bad Jack.

This does not feel like Jack has a wolf in his sights it feels like a bJack who is becoming part of the POE and does not want any part of it.

I think this is very much a town Roxy post. Not just because I agree with her, but the tone of it.

She was right before Wilgy died, and she's especially right after Wilgy died. The POE that was being used was incorrect, and needed to be reconsidered.

And as Thunal said before she was NK, if Wilgy flips town, we need to reconsider the POE, and Jack. I am glad she made that legacy post.

Gotta go do dog stuff before the rain starts (here in NY it has rained every Saturday for 4, maybe 5? weeks. Ugh).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:06 pm I'm confused and happy

Having read Nook twice, I agree.

I only include him in my POE cause so blendy, but far to the back of the POE since I don't specifically sus him, and I have people I sus more.

Day one, he missed the vote, day Two was the last vote left on leetic, day three was on the Wilgy Wagon. Day two he made no effort to save anyone, I don't see him as LCs teammate tbh.

EBWOP re unvote option, I actually realized it was an option after Epi had done it earlier in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:15 pm Imma vote for Jack. I think he was partnered with LC.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Ffs do something besides repeat this. Please.

What do you think has happened that would change my mind? Wilgy flipping town? Thunal getting NKed? Those things kinda deepened my resolve.

People don't just drop their suspects for no reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:49 pm We are almost at the point where we can confirm Roxy/Wilgy as the correct solve because they aren’t self preserving (this is a joke)

Almost, but not quite, eh?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:59 pm So we want to flip someone to see how valid the POE is rather than because we think they’re a wolf?

My vote is good where it is. I think he’s bad regardless of anyone else’s POE.
Is there anyone in particular you think would be my partner or would never ever be my partner?

Overall, I had felt pretty good about Delta, but their pile onto me for no discernable reason whatsoever puts them in the possible "Jack/LC partner" camp. Especially when they didn't really push back against Thunal at all when she started posting my townier moments, just dropped their SVS vote like a hot potato. A vote they didn't really seem to believe in when they made it. You kinda hot potatoed it too, actually, now that I think about it.

I can't read Nook whatsoever, he's just a happy warm presence, and can't recall much they have said this game without looking it up. So he could potentially be bad, but mostly based on "lack of good" more so than "active bad".

Abigail is usually somewhat snarky with me, and her being so nice to me freaks me out a bit, since I know I am subject to pocketing a bit. But I still don't see her gambit coming from a wolfy place; shaking up the thread from a focus on one persons thoughts was totally pro town, and people can be nice without an agenda. So I do think she's town, but wanted to point out that caveat.

And I have reason to think Roxy, Epi and pyxxy are town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:50 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:48 pm I have no scumreads. Can someone make an obvious scumslip so I can get one?
There's no way I'm one of the three mafia members!

Just quoting cause it made me lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo
It’s weird that I actually have a scumread on Wilgy but I do. Feelsbadman.
No you don't lmao. Get out of here.

Ran into this ISOing LC; QFT from Wilgy.

Addendum @Epignosis if you recall "Unvote" was never an option in the day, and I don't look for it or even notice it unless I actively look at the list of players in the poll, which I seldom, if ever, do. I did in this game since I was actively singing Happy Birthday at the time I wanted to move off Jack, and had no idea where to go.

So Roxy not using that option is not surprising to me.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm I’ll be gone for EoD. If Wilgy flips wolf, look at Roxy or Epi first. Nanook would be tinfoil level and not a first suspect. If Wilgy flips town, I think the game is harder than I expected and I’d look at Jack more closely. If Wilgy flips town I think our PoE is flawed.

If Nanook flips wolf I was probably wrong on Wilgy. If Nanook flips town I’d kill Wilgy unless there’s significant new evidence.

Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

If I don’t survive the night, good luck town.

This is why Thunal was killed ^^^^

@Epignosis

I think it was a throwaway vote. I myself (who voted unvote that day) did not realize it was an option until I was trying to decide where to move my vote since jack was sounding a bit towny to me, and LC, less so, when i popped in towards EOD.

It's not so much the vote itself, it's the way Roxy came back from it. My initial reaction to the vote

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:10 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing

vote svs
You know I <3 you and nothing that happens in a game changes that. But I don't actually understand this vote? Especially I seemed to gather a last minute push?

Hope you feel better and explain for me.

I missed the "I'm hurt' pain killer part". I also missed the part where the game mod announced Rox was in hospital. So I was initially perplexed as well.

When she came back, before I posted that I had missed Splints mod post, she posted this:

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:06 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:10 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing

vote svs
You know I <3 you and nothing that happens in a game changes that. But I don't actually understand this vote? Especially I seemed to gather a last minute push?

Hope you feel better and explain for me.

I am unsure of what explanation you want. I was in the hospital under observation on Delaudid from the take down my new dog did to me (he pulled me so hard my face was smashed into the concrete of my driveway/alley area).
I wanted to vote but had not read youv'e seen me do this to splints (usually my go to) and Kate. It's not like this is new for me.

For you kids out there I am old and think I can still bounce back when hurt but my body does not bounce anymore.

I voted you thinking you were thought of as town by most people including me so I did not think others would try to use my drug induced vote as an excuse to try and wagon you.
LongCon understandable but others - not so much. Who else was voting you I do not remember at this moment. But I will look there for people trying to take advantage of it.

This post was sincere, and I don't think Rox, based on years of playing with her, would have made that post up there ^^ "I'm hurt, pain killer", knowing her alleged teammates (and aside from LC, the others who piled onto Roxys vote were Jack and Delta) would use it as a platform to vote for me.

Delta went to LC after Thunal came in and beat everyone over the head over how towny I was (thanks Thunal!). So I'm in the air re Delta, if Jack flips as I think he will, then I think Delta could be the third. But I feel it more so about Jack.

I think the bads took advantage of Roxys vote, I think she's the least likely wolf who was on my wagon. Thunal broke it apart at the end, and the fact that Wilgy came back town after her Seanzie POE push would have made her reassess her position, imo. She was easily the strongest towny presence in the thread, and that's why she died.

But back to Roxy, that original post, where she votes me and says shes hurt. Bad Roxy doesn't do that. In my previous eloquent words, nuh uh. Bad Roxy won't manipulate friendship in a game that way, saying "I'm hurt" to an old friend and trotting back to the chatroom to giggle over how she fooled me. I know some folks think that opinion is "icky" or whatever, but it is what it is.

Rox when she came back , I 1000% agree with this post.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:48 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:48 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Is this in any way influenced by Roxy's vote on SVS?
Yes in that 2 votes are better than 1. Roxy didn’t like convince me to suspect SVS.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:59 pm That is kinda a townie post from SVS, isn’t it?

I did not sway your vote with mine yet-----2 votes are better than one? How is this townie? Your thought process over SVS did not feel genuine and felt instead like you trying to save LongCon's ass. You went in with a couple of pulled quotes from SVS and when Thunal showed you how it was so very townie you even agreed it was townie posts.
Jack you are bad and I find that sad bc as a townie you can decimate people with their posts and show just how anti town or townie they are. You have done neither this game.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:51 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I'll mull over the LC vote overnight since I'm more than a little worried about that

I'm also worried ab SVS being town because that means I went and locked them town then panicked when it mattered which is

rough but shrug

EOD is stressful ;_;
This is the perfect example of Delta's play this game. Not digging it at all. Flip Floppy. Goes anywhere but LongCon until it was obv he was getting elimmed.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:59 pm Phone check-in. Not caught up but voting SVS to self-pres.
The only SVS vote I understand bc it is coming from a baddie toward a townie.

And I pretty much have 'felt' everything else she said since then. She just feels real to me

Like I said, no matter how polished his posts are, I think Jack is LC's teammate. I'm home most of today, I'll do an associations post or two later.

Imma vote for Jack. I think he was partnered with LC.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

So we want to flip someone to see how valid the POE is rather than because we think they’re a wolf?

My vote is good where it is. I think he’s bad regardless of anyone else’s POE.

Why is not believing someone would behave a certain way, based on knowledge of their personality “icky” or whatever word was used?

My meta read of someone I started playing with in 2009 or 10 leads me to believe they would not use an irl situation to manipulate me.

How is this distasteful or whatever?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am “Using”?

Yikes.

@Thunal33 that is really loaded language. Maybe leaning?

“Using”?

Yikes.

You’re freaking me out a bit Abigail.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:19 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 pm Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.
oh nice, I was about to attempt to tag-summon you with a meh question, but you're naturally here

but while I have you

what's your experience with Long Con?
We used to date but are still good friends.
This stuff. Jack slanked the answer and pyxxy didn't respond to it in any way, like they didn't really care what the response was, but rather was just trying to generate thread content.

I'm quoting this to remember to get back to it tonight. There is something about this ... it just got my attention.

bbl, gotta get ready for work.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:15 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:42 pm I want the solve to be "It's Wilgy because his play yesterday wrt my slot and Leetic's was bad and it's Roxy because she is trying to open up the POE by pushing Delta and myself (and Abby? maybe not) and it's not Nanook because he's relatively comfortable with the gamestate compared to the other two players in the POE and it's not anybody else because you are very smart, Jack, and you correctly townread everyone else for smart boy reasons."
Can you talk to me about these reasons? Even if it's just a brief thing for everyone, I'm at a somewhat similar point to what you are myself so I just want a sanity check if anything & a second voice to see where our thoughts differ \o/
Almost forgot to respond to this.

Abby - Town for the red peek thing that ultimately resulted in Long Con's death. Just generally you don't see wolves do crazy fancy pants plays to get their teammate killed. I disagree with Abby's worldview today but she's town.

Thunal - Early LC detractor. Her solving around my slot feels very honest. (I'm biased, here.) Went out of her way to get me to see SVS as town, ensuring LC was yeeted. Generally agree with most everything she's said, some before she says them and some by being convinced. Surely town.

SVS - This post is particularly townie https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1078007 but she's also just got some town mindset interactions with Leetic and Abby. She's tunneled on me but her push on me doesn't feel agenday. If Roxy is a wolf (likely through POE alone), Roxy and LC both voting SVS is a super good look.

Pyxxy - LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird. The case was actually bad, though. It made sense in a vacuum but after thinking about it for two seconds, it was just bad. Wolves don't tend to make up bad arguments against teammates. They just use real ones. In general, Pyxxy's solving around Abby has felt honest if misguided. I don't detect anything else that could even be construed as a wolf attempting to open the POE. Like he's flat defending me. Town.

Delta - You've seemed honest throughout the game. Your tone and mindset just look incredibly townie. You bounce votes and are sometimes like "wait no that's not where I should be voting actually" and it feels like an actual change in opinion, not some wolfy gear shifting. Being shaded by Roxy is a potential good look.

Epi - This is hard to explain. Sometimes both alignments Epi feels like he's treading water. This tends to be because of real life stuff so sometimes, I get suspicious of town Epi. I can't always read him. However, there's a thing he only does as town and that's when he looks like he's hunting for wolves. It's not about activity level or antagonism but a hunting attitude. You can see it in his posts about Long Con this morning like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1078548. There's a bit of it D1 as well like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1077815 where it feels like his investment is from a town mindset. And this post here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 2#p1078262 reads as an honest town though. It's not impossible for Epi to be a wolf but I'd be super surprised if he was.

Jack - Shoes of a townie. YEAH!

So that's where I get to my pretty confident 3 player POE of Wilgy, Roxy and Nanook.

From there, Wilgy's play yesterday was pretty gross. His continuing to push me reads as a wolf who doesn't know what to do so is just hammering on the same points. Roxy looks like she's attempting to open the POE with dishonest pushes. Nanook is just like weeee whatever. So of my 3 player POE, I think 2 of them are doing scummy things and one is like existing.

That particularly towny post is also spectacularly wrong

and kinda embarrassing. And yeah, bad SVS tries not to say pedantic lecturey things like that when she knows its wrong.

Roxy was in the hospital and she voted me becasue she knew I could deal with that. I 100000% think she would not do that if she were bad (I originally wrote "do that bad", I have to get that wording out of my head), use our irl friendship as a chip or ploy in a game. Nuh uh.

For reasons as stated in my last post, I also think Wilgy is not bad. I can't ever read nanook, he always comes across as kind and vaguely disinterested regardless of alignment, so I'll sheep Abigail on this.

And yeah, I guess i am tunnelling you. But lots of tunnels have a baddie at the end, and tunnelling by itself is not automatically wrong.

Also re pyxxys day one vote, if I don't want to end up on the townie, I vote a teammate when it's feasible to do so. Makes for excellent distancing on Day 3 when someone says, "LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird". Pyxxy isn't on my active radar, but that's a naive reason to exclude someone from suspish imo, kinda wifomy.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!
Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?
Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo
If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
Why would my response to "what if I'm town" be "well your not"? That undermines the entire point of Lwetic asking me that.

Gross reason to vote me.
I don't like him jumping to saying this was a gross reason to vote me. When I showed my town entitlement in the thread he backed off pretty quick and I easily see him thinking I was unpushable.

About that post about me actually randing wolf, I feel like his thought would be stronger than "what if she randed wolf again" and that wasn't even his first thought.

I hope I don't switch between tunneling and cold feet on Wilgy all day tomorrow.

It's posts like this that kinda make me think he is town. He'll be licking people or only posting the words yes/no, and someone votes him for what he considers an invalid reason (and when you're town, is there ever a valid reason?) and he comes in and

at them in this way.

Wilgy and LC had almost no interaction. LC asked him if he was gonna play and Wilgy kinda Wilgied it off. Normally this would be kinda red flaggish for me, but Wilgy actively interacts with teammates in thread, he's the best at that kind of distancing. I don't see LC/Wilgy as viable, even without the

tell.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:25 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

LC and Wilgy refused to self preserve against each other yesterday. I think they may be partners.
Wilgy wasn't around these are false equivalents

This ^^

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:29 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:23 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:54 pm The reaction to the claim, especially the meta analysis on Abi I just think SVS actually believed.
Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that bad. Is there an issue with that?

I don't want to vote Wilgy, and I would prefer not to vote Roxy until I hear she's back in the saddle. Even if the game mod hadn't announced her problem, i don't believe Roxy is one to lean on irl to get out of a bad spot in games. So Roxy is off the table for me.

I'll do a more in depth thing, but i still think Jack and LC could have been associated.

I am reading LC, and am a bit confused about his time line.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:16 pm Surprised to see three votes on Jack right now, making him the leading wagon. Didn't realize he had picked up that kind of steam, especially now when he's looking better than ever.
"Better than ever?" that's an odd thing to say.

LC at 3:16, then he made a "busy bbl" later post like a minute later.

Next post is his vote post at 5:59:25, less than a minute to EOD. At that time, I had 2 votes, Roxy and Jack. Jack had two votes, Abigail and Wilgy. LC had 4 votes. So no vote he made could have been self pres. Had I not moved my vote from Jack, that might have been self pres.

At 5:59:36 Jack moved his vote from me to vanity. Not sure if moving to LC at that point would have been a good look since LC was already dead, basically, with 30 seconds left in day, and Thunal making a fairly big effort to point out how I likely wasn't bad, he didn't want to end up on me with the dead baddie when it was all over.

This feels a wee bit like a chatroom panic to me. I am not sure that that association I felt I saw with LC and Jack when I was reading Jack isn't actually there.

So imma reverse myself and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine again.

I'll read more tonight, and try to point out where I see the associations.
I'm a little confused by your first sentence. I just had the thought you seemed genuine in your Abi analysis and grabbed a post I read as towny.

I feel like this is an easier game, not a harder game. Jack knew LC was dying when he voted Wilgy, so the play as a wolf would just be to bus LC and ride the cred. Him making a big deal about not wanting to self pres on a townie as town makes him look so level 1 bad that I don't think it's a strategy for scum to win the game. I do have some tinfoil on him but I don't want to vote him today.

I worded it badly. It would read better as "Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that if she were bad". And it has been my experience that people who look too wolfy to be a wolf usually are wolves lol. Plus bussing LC after he clearly became the lynch leader looks performative and bad, I think voting LC would have been the worst vote he could have made with 20 seconds left in the poll.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:17 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:14 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:56 am This is apparently where I'm at right now. Feels weird, but it is what it is.

Epignosis
leetic

Dyslexicon

Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Delta
Roxy

S~V~S
Thunal33
pyxxy
DrWilgy

Long Con

LinearPoint
Scotty
I also think continuing to sheep Seanzie is correct lol.
You keep saying this, but LP and Scotty were both town. I just skimmed you, but can you tl;dr me why you voted Wilgy? A Wilgy who floats and doesn't add much the first few days is generally town Wilgy in my experience. Plus he's said a few things that I tend to see as town Wilgy recently.
LP and Scotty being town is part of why I think it holds more weight. If Seanzie had 2 mafia in his townreads and only kind of scumread Long Con, mafia wouldn't have a lot of reason to kill him overnight. If he had 2 mafia PoEd (LC and someone else), mafia would have a lot more reason. I don't think every NK was killed for good reads but I think Seanzie probably was at least in part and sheeping him worked with Long Con.

Ok, that's understandable. If I were bad and low on this list, on Day One, I doubt i would NK Sean since he was the only list iirc. But that's me.

Is that why you voted Wilgy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:19 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:23 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:54 pm The reaction to the claim, especially the meta analysis on Abi I just think SVS actually believed.
Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that bad. Is there an issue with that?

I don't want to vote Wilgy, and I would prefer not to vote Roxy until I hear she's back in the saddle. Even if the game mod hadn't announced her problem, i don't believe Roxy is one to lean on irl to get out of a bad spot in games. So Roxy is off the table for me.

I'll do a more in depth thing, but i still think Jack and LC could have been associated.

I am reading LC, and am a bit confused about his time line.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:16 pm Surprised to see three votes on Jack right now, making him the leading wagon. Didn't realize he had picked up that kind of steam, especially now when he's looking better than ever.
"Better than ever?" that's an odd thing to say.

LC at 3:16, then he made a "busy bbl" later post like a minute later.

Next post is his vote post at 5:59:25, less than a minute to EOD. At that time, I had 2 votes, Roxy and Jack. Jack had two votes, Abigail and Wilgy. LC had 4 votes. So no vote he made could have been self pres. Had I not moved my vote from Jack, that might have been self pres.

At 5:59:36 Jack moved his vote from me to vanity. Not sure if moving to LC at that point would have been a good look since LC was already dead, basically, with 30 seconds left in day, and Thunal making a fairly big effort to point out how I likely wasn't bad, he didn't want to end up on me with the dead baddie when it was all over.

This feels a wee bit like a chatroom panic to me. I am not sure that that association I felt I saw with LC and Jack when I was reading Jack isn't actually there.

So imma reverse myself and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine again.

I'll read more tonight, and try to point out where I see the associations.
Moving off you and onto Wilgy (or LC, if I had voted there) both prevent a buzzer vote on you from tying with the LC wagon.

If you wanna be like “Jack bussed his wolf partner, LC, in the end” fine. But like you said, LC didn’t have a real opportunity to self preserve onto me because you were the counterwagon, not me, and while I didn’t technically “self preserve” against LC (cause I wasn’t the counterwagon), my vote was against LC at eod.

You *were* the buzzer vote; you voted with less than 20 seconds, 10 seconds after LC voted for me. As I said, it looks to me like you just didn't want to end up on the same wagon as bad LC, and voting for LC after he was basically yeeted is never a good look, it's a civ cred move. So you moved to a vote that wouldn't have any bearing on the results, and would be ostensibly more defensible than a vote for me or LC. Since I didn't post it, it's possible LC didn't realize I moved my vote off of you.

You can spin it anyhow you like, but a vote for Wilgy is not a vote for LC. I kinda do think he was your partner. Imma read back after finishing my @'s.

Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:07 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:23 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:54 pm The reaction to the claim, especially the meta analysis on Abi I just think SVS actually believed.
Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that bad. Is there an issue with that?

I don't want to vote Wilgy, and I would prefer not to vote Roxy until I hear she's back in the saddle. Even if the game mod hadn't announced her problem, i don't believe Roxy is one to lean on irl to get out of a bad spot in games. So Roxy is off the table for me.

I'll do a more in depth thing, but i still think Jack and LC could have been associated.

I am reading LC, and am a bit confused about his time line.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:16 pm Surprised to see three votes on Jack right now, making him the leading wagon. Didn't realize he had picked up that kind of steam, especially now when he's looking better than ever.
"Better than ever?" that's an odd thing to say.

LC at 3:16, then he made a "busy bbl" later post like a minute later.

Next post is his vote post at 5:59:25, less than a minute to EOD. At that time, I had 2 votes, Roxy and Jack. Jack had two votes, Abigail and Wilgy. LC had 4 votes. So no vote he made could have been self pres. Had I not moved my vote from Jack, that might have been self pres.

At 5:59:36 Jack moved his vote from me to vanity. Not sure if moving to LC at that point would have been a good look since LC was already dead, basically, with 30 seconds left in day, and Thunal making a fairly big effort to point out how I likely wasn't bad, he didn't want to end up on me with the dead baddie when it was all over.

This feels a wee bit like a chatroom panic to me. I am not sure that that association I felt I saw with LC and Jack when I was reading Jack isn't actually there.

So imma reverse myself and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine again.

I'll read more tonight, and try to point out where I see the associations.
Can you like reword that first sentence about me

I'm not sure what you mean? I don't see any reason for a bad Abigail to do what you did. Do you mean "do that bad"? I meant that as "do that *if* bad".

Catching up to @'s then I'll read.

I didn’t look at the rest of my @‘s,im at work I only really checked in to see if @Roxy posted. At the time I wrote that ^^ I hadn’t seen splints post and wouldn’t have even questioned it if I had.

Sorry for the misunderstanding; hope you feel better.

Also I moved my vote off Jack at about 5:54 or 5:55 iirc. I couldn’t post since I was literally singing Happy Birthday, taking pics and helping the littles help blow out the candles.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:04 am I know I'm a known hyper poster but it's actually astonishing to me that I'm 3rd highest poster already...I remember why I took a break here it's like games move so slowly for me and what I'm used to.

Like honestly I think you can just win in Syndicate by killing activity as a wolf. Kill leetic me and Delta and just win lol

I used to post a lot more. I used to be a top 5 poster on average, but when i came back from break, I found that hyper posting chased me out of the thread, so i actually posted less in a game with more than 1-2 hyperposters. I felt unheard, and I felt I couldn't keep up, all the posts were short and I didn't know what had to be skipped. The more posts, the more likely I am to ghost, and just give up, and lose interest.

I was unable to keep up with leetic, I had little clue what was happening, especially after Sean was gone, since he was a very strong presence. Your gambit dragged me back in

Had i continued to feel detached, after maybe day 3, I might have perma ghosted except for sheeping votes, maybe making a "I gotta catch up" post or two each day. So different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Should this have been in green? Maybe, but I know you don't like the green.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:54 pm The reaction to the claim, especially the meta analysis on Abi I just think SVS actually believed.

Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that bad. Is there an issue with that?

I don't want to vote Wilgy, and I would prefer not to vote Roxy until I hear she's back in the saddle. Even if the game mod hadn't announced her problem, i don't believe Roxy is one to lean on irl to get out of a bad spot in games. So Roxy is off the table for me.

I'll do a more in depth thing, but i still think Jack and LC could have been associated.

I am reading LC, and am a bit confused about his time line.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:16 pm Surprised to see three votes on Jack right now, making him the leading wagon. Didn't realize he had picked up that kind of steam, especially now when he's looking better than ever.

"Better than ever?" that's an odd thing to say.

LC at 3:16, then he made a "busy bbl" later post like a minute later.

Next post is his vote post at 5:59:25, less than a minute to EOD. At that time, I had 2 votes, Roxy and Jack. Jack had two votes, Abigail and Wilgy. LC had 4 votes. So no vote he made could have been self pres. Had I not moved my vote from Jack, that might have been self pres.

At 5:59:36 Jack moved his vote from me to vanity. Not sure if moving to LC at that point would have been a good look since LC was already dead, basically, with 30 seconds left in day, and Thunal making a fairly big effort to point out how I likely wasn't bad, he didn't want to end up on me with the dead baddie when it was all over.

This feels a wee bit like a chatroom panic to me. I am not sure that that association I felt I saw with LC and Jack when I was reading Jack isn't actually there.

So imma reverse myself and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine again.

I'll read more tonight, and try to point out where I see the associations.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:56 am This is apparently where I'm at right now. Feels weird, but it is what it is.

Epignosis
leetic

Dyslexicon

Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Delta
Roxy

S~V~S
Thunal33
pyxxy
DrWilgy

Long Con

LinearPoint
Scotty
I also think continuing to sheep Seanzie is correct lol.

You keep saying this, but LP and Scotty were both town. I just skimmed you, but can you tl;dr me why you voted Wilgy? A Wilgy who floats and doesn't add much the first few days is generally town Wilgy in my experience. Plus he's said a few things that I tend to see as town Wilgy recently.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:18 pm roxy is in the hospital. She has a concussion and will be ok, but can’t post as regular.

Please continue normal posting

Oh fuck, I totally missed this. So yeah, I get it now. The perils of not being caught up

Feel better, hun. I had a major head crack a few weeks ago, it sucks

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing

vote svs

You know I <3 you and nothing that happens in a game changes that. But I don't actually understand this vote? Especially I seemed to gather a last minute push?

Hope you feel better and explain for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:59 pm That is kinda a townie post from SVS, isn’t it?

Your posts looked towny to me when I checked in, that's why I moved my vote, but I couldn't post since I was mid birthday party singing.

And I was between only you and LC since you were the two the consensus seemed to think looked baddiest from reaction to Abigails fauxclaim. You looked worse to me what can I say

I read nothing from the time I left yesterday AM, except the last page of EOD. So gonna do that.

So Roxy still hasn’t come back?

K, I gotta get ready to go. I will try and pop in, I'm cool with my Jack vote.

Also, re your Roxy question @Thunal33 , I read Rox for tone and flow, and she, for the most part, had a good look for me that way. I haven't really read into her much.

Two posts stood out to me, but in retrospect I thought they were more of a good look for her than otherwise, although they didn't look that way to me initially. But since they both concerned me, I didn't put much thought into it since i know I dislike it when people make their suspicions about *them*, like how people interact with or talk about them. First, when i agreed with something Sean said about how both Scotty and Roxy said a similar thing regarding not voting for Delta. I agreed becasue I didn't think what they said was quite accurate, either. It turned into a nothing, since Scotty flipped town. But in her response to me, she said something along the lines of "get over it" directly to me, which took me aback a bit. It reminded me of what I did to her in Se7en, actually. Remember when she started getting a bit too astute, so i kinda snapped at her a bit, and she backed off? Like that. But, as I said, Scotty flipped town, so meh.

The other was when she said i was being quiet. That surprised me since I am not a high poster by any means, and only get loud when i think i have something to get loud about. But having a negative opinion of me doesn't make someone bad, especially someone I know well. I would expect her to be a bit more pockety with me, so in retrospect those looked like plusses for her to my eye.

I think she prolly had a rough start due to leetic getting right in her face as soon as she started posting, and then getting a bit bossy with her later. She got snappy back with him in a way I think she might have moderated if she were bad.

So she wasn't on my radar. I hope she was just being sarcastic.

And no he isnt generally caught easily. He was prolly rusty that game.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:49 am I played one game with LC in 2020 and he was caught as scum d2. Is he usually caught by people who know him well?

I had asked earlier; why do you think LCs reaction was worse than Jacks?

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:25 am The pirate game was an anon one, right?

Do you think there would be more of a reason to play differently since you can avoid meta reads that way? Or do you think LC would play as they normally do since it was anonymous anyway?

@S~V~S

Also are there any non-anon wolf games you can remember? I'll go check them out \o/

We haven't played together for 5 or more years. The last few years before i went on break he was hosting more than playing. So it's an old meta tell for me, and he could have moved past it.

Can you tell me why you think LC looks worse than Jack? I don't know that I follow the one in pyxxy/LC/Jack theory, since I can see some possible association between Jack and LC on Jacks part.

Spoiler: show

I quoted several posts ^^, so i spoilered it.

I think Jacks reaction looks worse than LCs, he's being very cautious around it, although Jack bolsters LC a bit in his ISO as well. I know I must have seen bad Jack, but i don't recall offhand when.

I have seen tons of LC, though, and he has a certain tone when he's bad, or he used to have. I'm not seeing it at all, but he didn't have it in the Pirate sock game either, so I'm not going to rely on meta here.

At this point imma [VOTE: Jack] aubergine but am not married to it, I'll consider other options, and I hope Roxy returns to clarify her earlier post.

@Delta I'm in the middle of reading jack now, and think he looks worse than LC re how he reacted to the red check. He acted cautious, like it was a trap, if that makes sense. But I also think he puts some energy into TRing LC.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:04 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:23 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:06 am I'm bad.
Bye.
Is this real?
I don't think she'd do it as maf with the intent of just giving herself away, but you know her better so do you think it's real?

I saw it as more of a frustrated response to Epi's sus that can go either way.

Well, I know she hated it when a teammate of hers outed themself in a game. So I'm going with "yeah ok, I'm bad" frustration/sarcasm for now. It prolly would have been more clear if she had put in the "Yeah, OK, " though

Re LC, I just reread him twice. He looks Ok to me. I think the "chatroom slip" thing from his entrance was not suspish, when I come in after missing a a few pages, I generally read back the last several posts and look at the poll before I post. Everyone probably does. I also agreed with him that pyxxys psypsy thing did look like busywork.

Another thing I took from reading LC is I would be surprised if he and Epi were w/w. I don't think either of them is the type to do fake in thread banter when they're bad, and they did alot of bantering.

I also still don't understand why a few people, the second Abigail called shenanigans, immediately said, "welp, voting for LC". At least I don't get it based on his posts. There must be a nuance I am missing? @Delta , I read back some of your posts, are you thinking pyxxy is town, or no? You mentioned Jack/LC piling on pyxxy more than once as a concern, but you've also shaded pyxxy a bit. Where do you stand there? I liked some things they said early, but actually agree with LC that that psypsy homework thing was a bit much. I tend to look for nuance, and this thread has been a bit loud and fast for that lol, so I think I must be missing some subtext.

I have to vote fairly early since I have yet another family party today. So I'll be in and out of here all AM.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:12 pm @Long Con tell me why you’re taking suspish.

It helps me understand it better if I see your pov.
They don't like that I looked back at leetic after the red check and found their reaction to the check suspicious, and then voted. It is also damning that I called leetic's one post "self-aware", because that term had already been used in the thread before.

There may be some other elements, such as my vote for pyxxy on Day 1, when both the leading wagons were town.

Thanks. I used to associate a certain tone with bad LC, and it is totally absent here, but it was totally absent in Sixto, too. So I really have no baseline for you anymore.

@Thunal33 Is this the gist of it from your pov? Since you seem to feel strongly about this? I am going to reread him now, while I stew over Roxys post ^^ up there. I have to vote fairly early since I'll be AFK at EOD.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:53 am Bye bye

I quoted you since I don't know how to @ you. I never understood the point of a fake claim from a town perspective before, like why would a townie do it? Now I do. So I learned something. And I don't think a shakeup hurt this thread. And thanks for the uwu

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:06 am I'm bad.
Bye.

Is this real?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:56 pm [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I didn’t notice this was an option or I would have done it last night

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:50 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:42 pm Also, re Abigail. I have seen her be sure she was right about a person, from gut. She NEVER to the best of my knowledge tries to fakeclaim in that situation; she puts on a very confident face and clearly believes it, but she doesn't say she has info. I know this since I am a person she thinks is bad alot , and she's never done that to me. I've only ever seen her claim when she had info. So if she's saying it, and Dizzys play backs it up to my mind, I'm gonna trust her.
How does the latest revelation alter this view?

My vote was based on trusting Abigail. Now that she’s revealed it was a gambit, I plan to vote for someone else

@Long Con tell me why you’re taking suspish.

It helps me understand it better if I see your pov.

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