Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am
Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy.
I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.
Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.
This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?
Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum.
Audacious?
hahahahAHAHAHA
Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am
Ok you're town
wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day
removing linki was a mistake
(I stand by my read though)
If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:45 am
[VOTE:
JPIC] aubergine
I'm sheeping my towncore.
side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:51 am
[???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu
[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo
tedxtr
If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right?
(no it doesnt)
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am
Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.
Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.
Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.
Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:26 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am
Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy
*ahem*
Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.
Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.
I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.
This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.
Two more posts just tunneling me in particular
![Ponder :ponder:](./images/smilies/ponderous.gif)
and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm
i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?
I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).
It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).
To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.
Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new
![Shrug :shrug:](./images/smilies/shrug2.gif)
so go figure that this post is NAI
Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:
Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.
-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.