The Syndicate

@Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:53 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:48 pm The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.
Read JJJ's ISO if you want that.

My Roxy read is meta and gut. If Roxy bus'd LC there was quite literally 0 posturing around that. I feel that W Roxy would've made a bigger deal of it ESPECIALLY if they went out of their meta so hard to bus.
Again, I'm asking for original thoughts. Why do I have to read JJJ's thoughts if I'm asking for the ones of the current players? You've been pushing his PoE for the past 3 Days and it was a full Town group, I think it's pretty clear at this point his D2 ISOs weren't reliable.

You don't have any non-meta reason to townread her? If she didn't do a single significantly town thing in this game why are you clearing them?

I'm not going to ever be like "wowee I'm so town see here" that shit is just silly. If you wish to find me then do so. Further, a PoE is a PoE because it accounts for being incorrect. The only reason why you came before Epi in the PoE cull is due to you freshly subbing in.

So... "Wowee! We're using a PoE! And there's only 1 wolf left. It's almost as if we're going to go through it, or win. It's like it's designed like that."

Because I don't think they bus'd LC. I just said that.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:49 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill
It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?
Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.
You can in asking about it immediately, Wiml had commentary on it immediately. All feels very agenda based on the NK that wolves control. You also ???'d Wiml saying I was spewed now. Your guess is as good as mine.
Agenda based how? Literally any kill other than you still keeps your place as the priority in the chopping block. What makes the Abgail kill any different if it's to "manipulate" you?

I ??? him because saying it spewed you is an absurd assumption at this point. And his argument is bad. As soon as I subbed in Abgail would be a lot more likely to trust me over you, she was definitely not going to keep being a "vocal defender" of your slot if it had to come down to a showdown between us.

In any case I shouldn't be making an argument to HIS points when I'm here asking for yours.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:50 pm [quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073267">1073267</a> time=<a href="tel:1691545542">1691545542</a> user_id=1179]
And for the record I could not give two fucks about what Wiml currently fried brain thinks. I'm asking you.
But why do you feel the need to comment this? The spew comment was made by Wiml in the first place.
Because you're hiding behind his comment instead of providing an original thought. You been doing this all game and it's pinging me like crazy.

Abigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Assumptions and fallacy here on your second paragraph. We can ignore this one entirely.

And the third point is also incorrect.

Fixed the quote break

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:49 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill
It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?
Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.
You can in asking about it immediately, Wiml had commentary on it immediately. All feels very agenda based on the NK that wolves control. You also ???'d Wiml saying I was spewed now. Your guess is as good as mine.
Agenda based how? Literally any kill other than you still keeps your place as the priority in the chopping block. What makes the Abgail kill any different if it's to "manipulate" you?

I ??? him because saying it spewed you is an absurd assumption at this point. And his argument is bad. As soon as I subbed in Abgail would be a lot more likely to trust me over you, she was definitely not going to keep being a "vocal defender" of your slot if it had to come down to a showdown between us.

In any case I shouldn't be making an argument to HIS points when I'm here asking for yours.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:50 pm [quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073267">1073267</a> time=<a href="tel:1691545542">1691545542</a> user_id=1179]
And for the record I could not give two fucks about what Wiml currently fried brain thinks. I'm asking you.
But why do you feel the need to comment this? The spew comment was made by Wiml in the first place.

Because you're hiding behind his comment instead of providing an original thought. You been doing this all game and it's pinging me like crazy.
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Abigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Assumptions and fallacy here on your second paragraph. We can ignore this one entirely.

And the third point is also incorrect.

Abigail NK makes sense when I just think on it. It accomplishes alot I think, Abigail has Roxy and I as TR (that you seem more than happy to leap on now). Abigail also knowing you I think could crack the game open by forming a conclusion on you.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:48 pm The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.

Read JJJ's ISO if you want that.

My Roxy read is meta and gut. If Roxy bus'd LC there was quite literally 0 posturing around that. I feel that W Roxy would've made a bigger deal of it ESPECIALLY if they went out of their meta so hard to bus.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:45 pm And for the record I could not give two fucks about what Wiml currently fried brain thinks. I'm asking you.

But why do you feel the need to comment this? The spew comment was made by Wiml in the first place.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill
It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?
Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.

You can in asking about it immediately, Wiml had commentary on it immediately. All feels very agenda based on the NK that wolves control. You also ???'d Wiml saying I was spewed now. Your guess is as good as mine.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

@Wiml your reaction to me voting you near EoD was odd. Why wouldn't you have voted Abigail to save yourself? Why did you feel the need to encourage Epi onto me?

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:39 pm With Neon dead I doubt people are gonna go hammer happy

Try me

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:02 pm @DrWilgy please remember that I'm on mobile and can't respond to very last minute vote switches like yesterday lol.

But I can, and it's fun!

Aye, good luck good luck.

Wiml you're silly lol.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

bonk

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:57 pm I can't even move my vote

You let the fear consume you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:56 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:55 pm Epi vote for Wilgy
Why? You're not the boss of me.

WOOOOOO

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:55 pm I voted. Who spends $500 on hair?

Wiml

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:49 pm [VOTE: Wiml] aubergine for science
Flash wagons bad yada yada.

Yada bada dooooo

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine for science

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:34 pm Skimmed Falcon.

Ignoring the dead, Falcon's concerns were on Epi/Kate. Falcon's questioning was on Wiml, Me, Roxy. Falcon's TRs were on Abigail and Michelle.

Abigail killing Falcon is low EV. I very much want to clear Abigail for this.

See above

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:22 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:55 pm I see unvote currently has a 50% chance of going over instead of me.

So that's reassuring.
hi! nice to meet you!
could you give me a quick rundown of your thoughts?
I'm sorry, I don't think I'm going to make it with the time I have. I haven't been home.

I presently would not lynch Wiml or Michelle. I realize that's probably not much help. I made a big ass case against WIml, but I think Wiml handled my whimsical turn as best as could be expected. Michelle reeks of genuine frustration.

I think Kate should have been replaced if possible oh hey look that's you cool

Roxy's list of opinions is really a list of a lack thereof. None of these have any substance or conviction. Would lynch.

DrWilgy is a perpetual mystery to me (and I know he likes it that way). Would lynch.

As for the artist formerly known as Zenon, I don't understand the vote on me, and when I asked about it, I see I got a "Let's." Would lynch.

I would lynch Syn for putting [D3] in the beginning of the title because it throws me off regarding the "new posts since last view in this tab" feature.
Abigail doesn't kill Falcon. Please advise.
I thought falcon was a consensus civilian. Was I wrong on that point? I remember someone saying so.

Falc was, but also TRd Abigail. In terms of consensus town, T Wiml and T JJJ go before T Falcon I think.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:22 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:55 pm I see unvote currently has a 50% chance of going over instead of me.

So that's reassuring.
hi! nice to meet you!
could you give me a quick rundown of your thoughts?
I'm sorry, I don't think I'm going to make it with the time I have. I haven't been home.

I presently would not lynch Wiml or Michelle. I realize that's probably not much help. I made a big ass case against WIml, but I think Wiml handled my whimsical turn as best as could be expected. Michelle reeks of genuine frustration.

I think Kate should have been replaced if possible oh hey look that's you cool

Roxy's list of opinions is really a list of a lack thereof. None of these have any substance or conviction. Would lynch.

DrWilgy is a perpetual mystery to me (and I know he likes it that way). Would lynch.

As for the artist formerly known as Zenon, I don't understand the vote on me, and when I asked about it, I see I got a "Let's." Would lynch.

I would lynch Syn for putting [D3] in the beginning of the title because it throws me off regarding the "new posts since last view in this tab" feature.

Abigail doesn't kill Falcon. Please advise.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:12 pm I'm taking a poo. Someone tell me who the wolf is and if it's not in Epi/Ex as to why I'm wrong on my other reads.
English is really weird for someone who thinks and speaks in a latin language.

I just think English is weird in general.

Good day Sir!

I'm taking a poo. Someone tell me who the wolf is and if it's not in Epi/Ex as to why I'm wrong on my other reads.

I think the problem I have most with not being able to find Epi if T is that I just kinda disagree with W Abigail at this point. Who's the W if not Epi and why does Epi's WR clash with my own like so?

Epi thoughts

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:29 pm I'm voting for [VOTE: Quin] aubergine.

Why?

If you want them to get engaged, wouldn't it help to tag them?
Is that what I'm doing?

Oh dear. I didn't realize.

Epi's entry and back and forth with Falc is NAI. Epi tends to fling shit as either alignment getting into the game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:11 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.
Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?
I don't believe you interpreted JJJ's statement this way.

Fake entrance.

[VOTE: ☆Princess Abigail☆] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:27 pm ☆Princess Abigail☆

This is mafia. Let's go.

More flinging, but this time with gusto. I think it's unlikely to be able to gauge if Epi is genuine in these thoughts on Abi. Maybe someone else knows better.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:52 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:11 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.
Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?
I don't believe you interpreted JJJ's statement this way.

Fake entrance.

[VOTE: ☆Princess Abigail☆] aubergine
@Epignosis I'd appreciate if you could go into more detail about what exactly you think is fake about Abigail's post and why you think that it's wolf indicative from her.

I know Michelle has given reasons but yours seem different to hers.
It's less that and more... waves hands around.

I made an accusation. It was flimsy.

I got a picture of a child holding a gun in response. There's nothing to respond to. The recipient of my vote is not trying to figure out my alignment.

As for "wolf indicativeness?"

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 am The contrary view for Abigail is that she is not engaged or energized in this thread, and that's a stark difference to recent town games. I don't recall seeing her play as mafia and would need to snoop around to determine how meaningful that is.
This is indeed wolf indicative for me.

But must be compared with the general unease I feel about myself and my play right now
I sense a distinct lack of comfort, effort, and interest.

The fling has become a push with this interaction here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:52 am Okay, I powered through. Not mafia: JJJ, Syn, Wimi (You get one adverb pass and one only), Roxy (I think Kate is mafia), Michelle, DrWilgy

That's where I is.

This is weird I think. Comes across as knowing too much while avoiding LC.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:54 pm I have a separate issue with Quin that has nothing to do with Lime Coke.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:27 pm

I have ten posts, including the one I just made. I feel like I'm not playing.
I can just say at this point:

I figured your blind vote for Quin and your move against Abigail were both more "throw something at the wall and see how people handle it" than concrete reads. You can tell me if that's true or not.
True for Quin. My current vote is "realer."
Why Quin?
Nobody knew where you were.
Ick.
Quin became defensive over a single vote from me just for the sake of doing something.

I didn't think the third-person question that followed was serious, so I replied in kind.

I got a seemingly serious but rather ambiguous response.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:05 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:02 pm Ick.
What's ick?
Sounds like I wasn't the only one who hadn't posted. I wanted to know why he picked me.

I also don't think throwing votes on inactives is part of his civilian playbook to begin with. It's LHF.
Quin seemed annoyed that I picked that particular name to vote at that time. I didn't have a reason, so there was no "why."

Does Quin think I have a civilian playbook? I just do shit. Voting Quin was just doing shit. But then Quin going out of the way to self-ascribe "low hanging fruit" is pouring it on heavier and thicker than grandma's peach cobbler over ice cream.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am I'm scum reading everyone (Epi is a quinfoil) on the Abigail wagon, but I'm not sure she's town either.

Thread leaders, 1 of whom (3J) I townread and another I townlean (Wiml) are on LC, who I have no opinion on.

I am realistically not getting through 12~ pages of content before I go to bed in 3 hours, so I'm pretty desperate for someone to tell me where to look on that front.

A lynch between Abigail and LC could tell me a lot.
The silver (the color of quinfoil) is the biggest bunch of hooey. There's no reasoning given; it's permission to say "all of these people are bad," BUT WAIT "Epi (Mr. Ick) is 'quinfoil'" and the person getting voted could be good too. There's nothing of substance in that sentence. It's Quin producing an allowance to suspect either side of the coin (or the ridges of the coin).

The red is another item of note. If Quin is desperate for help, why this?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:36 am @Quin any cause for the delay in placing a vote?
No, but I'm probably going off wagon.
"I'm pretty desperate for someone to tell me where to look" is about an hour removed from "No, but I'm probably going off wagon."

And that's what happened. A vote for DrWilgy.

I'd cover the cobbler in quinfoil, but I'd fear the latter would spoil the former.

Epi's qualm with Quin. Does W Epi make this effort for Quin when the writing is already on the wall for the slot OR would've W Epi let it happen and get some 'I'm not wrong' brownie points?

Then there's the Wiml thing, then we are back to Abi.

Bah.

Epi I think I need more in depth reads from you if I'm ever to find you. I can see both T Epi and W Epi as it stands, but there's some questions on both that prevent me from taking a firm stance on either.

Like, why was I town early while LC was ignored?

and why push Quin when it was seemingly uneeded?

Epi, I'd like your read on my slot when you can. I get that you are busy.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:34 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:30 pm "I don't agree with it but is there a world where T Kate was really feelin it thus 'confident intuitive' Kate was displayed here?"

@DrWilgy seems kind of similar to how Kate initially snapread town-Falcon as being a wolf after subbing in in the game you/Guillo were w/w in? An initial wolf snapread on somebody she knows well not conforming to expectations.

It didn't ring alarm bells for me the way it did for others tbh.
Aye and that's part of the problem. Kate often evolves and follows the lines that form from her snaps. That's why it's hard to tell if the Abigail was in fact the conclusion of intuition OR the step getting there assuming T.
Makes sense.

My read on Kate is in general a very mixed bag tbh. Is she the sort of person who tends to TMI her partners or is she as a wolf likely to steer away from very surface level wolfy things like asking "why is Lime Coke a wagon?" and never following up on that or dropping a real read on him?

Shit dude, idk.

I do not know the shape of a W Kate.

Few Ex thoughts.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:19 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:17 am Welcome ExLight.

Guess the PoE plan is off now because this changes too much.
me subbing in changes the PoE? why?

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:28 am I'm really not sure if I follow

me simply joining in shouldn't change PoE
my slot is pretty bad, while I'm asking to give me some time to catch up, letting me go to pursue lessee possibilities is a strange logic

Asking questions that are seemingly towny. If I subbed into T Kate's slot and saw the happenings and the postings I feel these are the questions I'd ask and observations I'd make.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:58 pm I still hasn't seen this epi fella post which is bothering me

Comes off as a little opportunistic imo. However, I get the position Ex is in if T and can still see myself thinking the same way if my CW from consensus PoE hasn't been seen by myself personally.

Aye, between Ex and Kate, I think giving Ex more time is the correct answer. Kate, don't give me trust issues plz.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:30 pm "I don't agree with it but is there a world where T Kate was really feelin it thus 'confident intuitive' Kate was displayed here?"

@DrWilgy seems kind of similar to how Kate initially snapread town-Falcon as being a wolf after subbing in in the game you/Guillo were w/w in? An initial wolf snapread on somebody she knows well not conforming to expectations.

It didn't ring alarm bells for me the way it did for others tbh.

Aye and that's part of the problem. Kate often evolves and follows the lines that form from her snaps. That's why it's hard to tell if the Abigail was in fact the conclusion of intuition OR the step getting there assuming T.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:28 pm
_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:26 pm my problem with PoE in a vanilla setup is that if you make the wrong grouping it might guarantee wolves to win since town helps wolf pick the kills without disrupting the coordinated lynches
I'm not sure why everyone thinks that a PoE method for solving has to be 100% or 0%.

You can follow a PoE method till lylo and then reassess to see who was a wolf taking advantage of the faulty PoE. If a wolf is taking advantage of a faulty PoE in a way you describe it just fufills self resolution for townies and provides data and trends to those who end up in lylo.

further, I think PoE is fine and should be utilized at a 70-80%. Of course analysis as to what can break the PoE and prevent it's use and realizing when the trends absorbed from the PoE are no longer viable is just part of good play and how a PoE can evolve.

The main thing about PoE when followed is that it ENABLES self resolution.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:26 pm my problem with PoE in a vanilla setup is that if you make the wrong grouping it might guarantee wolves to win since town helps wolf pick the kills without disrupting the coordinated lynches

I'm not sure why everyone thinks that a PoE method for solving has to be 100% or 0%.

You can follow a PoE method till lylo and then reassess to see who was a wolf taking advantage of the faulty PoE. If a wolf is taking advantage of a faulty PoE in a way you describe it just fufills self resolution for townies and provides data and trends to those who end up in lylo.

Kate thoughts:

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:03 pm Civilians
falcon45ca -- probably town, and something to be mindful of moving forward. falcon tends to inevitably become vote-bait eventually, and if he's town right now he'll still be town later.

Have posted, no read
Wiml -- early posts are perfectly okay, but they don't inform me about Wiml's motivations yet.
Kate -- town read on falcon could use qualification, otherwise no impression

No posts yet
Abigail
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Lime Coke
Quin
Roxy

Suspicion exists
Michelle -- initial reads are a little hard to believe

This post is largely for my own mental organization, but might as well share.
I very rarely give qualification or much reason, but falcon doesn't bound into the game talking about actual game stuff as wolf. And I can't remember wold falcon ever being on eof the first voter, which he just became when he voted Michelle. So my read on him remains civ.

Me and falcon, town core. Lol.

Kate's entry reads were very lv1

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:40 pm So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.

*solved*

Rule of 3 including the lhf Quin, the teammate and then jabbing at the guy who just randed W 3 games in a row?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:34 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml

One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.
Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.
If this is in fact true, it's not falcon and I really don't see wolf Michelle at this point. Is anyone thinking this was a post made to throw us off of PA herself?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol
Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
This is extremely coherent for a tzenon.

Gonna put my vote here for now.

[VOTE: PA] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:41 pm I was very confident and VERY wrong on wilgy once. I still wake up screaming from the nightmares.
What makes that Abigail post "too coherent"?
When she is wolf, she's all over the place. I'm pretty sure I described her the exact opposite way in the last game.

Kate's read on Abigail.

I don't agree with it but is there a world where T Kate was really feelin it thus 'confident intuitive' Kate was displayed here?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:57 pm Why are yall voting for 7up?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:59 pm Let me guess, without reading, princess Abigail has used ATE to get yall to move off her?

Some LC pushback and some Abigail push. Abigail push here feels kinda bad faith.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?
It's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.
I just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:03 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:14 pm Ok caught up.

My thoughts have been all over the place today.

My read of Epi is based on I'm always wrong in my gut about him so I just call him opposite and move on and has been a pretty good strategy so far. So but says Epi us bad but brain says he's good.

My Wigly read is a bit shaky I was all good thinking he was town until---- he started posting. I can't help it. It makes me nervous.

My Kate read feels like I possibly made it on quicksand. I'm trying very hard to not suspect her I *know* for a fact that she is busy. But to not post at all? Not even a couple of quick reads? Idk,idk,idk. I feel icky just thinking she could be bad.

My Princess read is all vibe. I really feel they are town. I'm just vibing with their posts. I cannot seem to make you pop up to mention you but I have a question. What do you think of Michelle/Epi vs Wiml? Let's chat about it please.

Michelle and Wiml damn. I have to sleep on all I've digested in the last few pages. I really have you both as town now I have Epi and Michelle and their cases on Wiml.

If I go on gut I feel Wiml does come across as a bit cornered only bc they kept trying to shut down their investigation.

Princess please respond to my query.
I'm really sorry. I can't do any quick reads bc I haven't even read. I am so sorry. I never play this way and I would never use real life to cover my wolfness. This slot is civ. I've asked for a sub.

I'll see you all in a few weeks after Andrew is gone to school.

Love you all.

ugh, these two posts still feel very genuine. I think the big thing is that Kate felt the need to append 'this slot is civ' and I don't think Kate directly lies WHILE expressing how being busy prevented play and that they wouldn't do that as W.

Part of me thinks busy Kate would just take the L and move on without worrying about a sub.

The 'bad faith' that I felt could've been genuine confident Kate.

Man, if it's Kate and I'm being AtE'd out of thinking it's Kate imma form trust issues.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:55 pm IF I am in fact W Wiml. I do not shoot JJJ, because I *SHOULD* be townspewed to the same meter JJJ is. Meaning my optimal late game that keeps me out of 'why weren't you shot' would be like, Wiml/JJJ/X.

I do not know if Wiml would sub to that line of thinking as W, but I know I would. Just food for think.
can you explain this post to me like I'm 5yo?

if I'm W and I need to f3, even if it's just d2, I'm going to be planning who does and doesn't make it to that f3.

Wiml W, I think easily enough f3s with whoever they want.

Wiml W also gets caught if they survive too long while the consensus is they should be townspewed.

Wiml W would've thought themselves to be consensus townspewed last cycle (when JJJ died).

Wiml W can avoid being caught for survival, if someone else who should be consensus townspewed also makes it to -1 Lylo if not f3 (options being JJJ/Michelle).

Michelle lightly wrs Wiml.

JJJ trs Wiml.

All this leads to me thinking W Wiml either wouldn't or shouldn't have shot JJJ based on the gamestate last night. Now that PoE has widened W Wiml can shoot whoever whenever, but before the widening, I don't know if JJJ shot makes alot of sense for W Wiml.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:03 pm JJJ is considered a strong player yea? His name is familiar, I think they've been sent to champs a few times?

Yes

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:58 pm I still hasn't seen this epi fella post which is bothering me

I'd utilize his ISO, not his presence in this situation fwiw.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:55 pm was JJJ tunneling anyone during D2?

JJJ's PoE was very hard Quin then into Epi>Kate>Me. The most recent page of his ISO is helpful on that front.

IF I am in fact W Wiml. I do not shoot JJJ, because I *SHOULD* be townspewed to the same meter JJJ is. Meaning my optimal late game that keeps me out of 'why weren't you shot' would be like, Wiml/JJJ/X.

I do not know if Wiml would sub to that line of thinking as W, but I know I would. Just food for think.

2 hours till EoD

With hammer at 4 I think I can put my vote on Epi and chill at 2 for a minute. Will read through Epi/Kate/Ex and think some more though.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

JJJ had PoE of Epi > Kate > Wilgy

JJJ's assoc has
Wiml/LC !W/W
Roxy/LC !W/W
Michelle/LC ?W/W BUT TR
Kate/LC ?W/W
Epi/LC ?!W/W
Abi/LC !W/W

Reads without assoc D1
TR Michelle, Wilgy, Wiml, Roxy
LTR Epi, Abigail
!TR Kate

The more I go through JJJ's ISO I again find no reason Wiml, Roxy, Michelle would pull the trigger there.

Michelle and Roxy remain town cleared. Wiml is slowly coming off my 'if I'm wrong list' Abigail is already off my 'if I'm wrong list.'

Like it just feels based on who's been shot that it's gotta still be in Epi/Ex

Dosh Diddly Darnit Jay you have 6 pages. I don't wanna read that.

Further something that's been brewing, I just need to trust myself on the Abigail read. I've done it correctly several times before, and I do not see any form of agenda from them. I'd say Abigail is town based on Gut and Falcon NK.

Skimmed Falcon.

Ignoring the dead, Falcon's concerns were on Epi/Kate. Falcon's questioning was on Wiml, Me, Roxy. Falcon's TRs were on Abigail and Michelle.

Abigail killing Falcon is low EV. I very much want to clear Abigail for this.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:17 pm Who among these was around in D1's EoD?
Roxy, Abigail, Michelle, Kate, Willgy

Wilgy, why did you move your vote onto Abigail?

To tie the wagon and because Wiml was bent so out of shape by it.

Last wolf just has to be in the mid pol when LC was 3/3 with Abigail right?
```
Abigail
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate
```

Earliest collection of Poll data that I noticed from Michelle (ty for collecting this often btw, it helps immensly):

Abigail 2
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle

Michelle 3
Voters: Abigail, falcon45ca, Wiml

Then another Michelle record around mid d1:

Abigail
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle

falcon45ca
Voters: Lime Coke

Lime Coke
Voters: Wiml, JJJ

Michelle
Voters: Abigail, falcon45ca

?note, it was at this point Wiml was on LC. Pondering as to when LC dropped and any potential relationship to this vote as it could be bus indicative to find and compare the timing of Wiml/JJJ on LC.?

Last Michelle poll I'll use as we're leaving early game but this was mid-late d1:

Abigail
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate

Epignosis
Voters: falcon45ca

Lime Coke
Voters: Wiml, DrWilgy, JJJ

Michelle
Voters: Abigail

D1 Final:

Abigail
Voters: Michelle, Kate, DrWilgy

DrWilgy
Voters: Quin

Lime Coke
Voters: Epignosis, Wiml, JJJ, Roxy, Abigail, falcon45ca

Wiml
Voters: Lime Coke

D2 Final:

Quin
Voters: Abigail, DrWilgy, Roxy, Kate, Wiml

I get that this isn't going to evolve much, so this'll probably be the only colorize I make. I'll glance it over and think on it.

Only immediate observations are that when I actually look at how the LC wagon came about, it makes it much easier to just trust Wiml, so that's good. Also that Abigail's wagon existed from the asscrack of dawn is interesting but I don't know if it means anything outside of the figure out between Ex and Epi... Solving Abigail also reveals more about Michelle interestingly enough, but I don't think that's worth putting alot of thought into.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:35 pm $27. in early 80's dollars....fyi.

Ah so about 1,206$ nowadays. Got it.

Bah, I guess I'll powerwolf now-ish and see if I can find any trends.

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