The Syndicate

Dizzy why don't I town read you

Mac's posts are pretty much nothing to this point. He can have the certified Not Town Read.

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:34 pm i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore
I don't really have a precise "expectation"; it's just a question I wanted to ask about an accusation that struck me as no-win. @Lime Coke would you say this is a sensible or fair interpretation of your play on a meta level given your experience with alexa in the past? Anyone with insight here can provide it.
it wasn't really a question - it was more of a statement/declaration
brad providing logical reasonings for townreads strikes me more as his scum play just from a meta POV, but his explanation/response to it was villagery tbh so i'm glad i asked it
also brad townreading SPF just for making reads felt like loltown brad in my catch-up

Okay thank you. I'll see how he feels and go from there.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pm JIMMAAAAAYYYY
DYSLEXICON.
You are cute.

That's what I'm thinking about. ^^

I haven't broken out the twirl in a long time. Here's a twirl.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pm JIMMAAAAAYYYY

DYSLEXICON.

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:34 pm i'm not sure how you're expecting me to answer this
like obviously it's a good thing to have solid reasons for things but i'm basing this on a large pool of meta that's also impossible to ignore

I don't really have a precise "expectation"; it's just a question I wanted to ask about an accusation that struck me as no-win. @Lime Coke would you say this is a sensible or fair interpretation of your play on a meta level given your experience with alexa in the past? Anyone with insight here can provide it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:33 pm Did Ilario and Leetic claim masons or something?

Basically. They're literally the same player slot, like a hydra

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:31 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:27 pm By the way Alexa, and others I guess, if you want to know why I'm townreading you, or what triggered it.

It was your sus-read on JJJ earlier.
The thing I've noticed in Fortune of Lies (Okay you were 3P there but you attempt to townside so I'll consider my read on you correct) is that we tend to have similar reads/thought processes as the game goes on. I was iso'ing JJJ at that moment and then came back to you posting that read, which I just said I agreed and stated my townread on you for it.
The second part is just I don't think you'd still have this amount of energy after so many mafia rands in a row, especially with them all being massive games.
The "energy" read doesn't feel as good as the first part since your scum game is incredible, but we both know you hate being mafia and I feel like you'd run out of gas EVENTUALLY if you kept randing mafia.
this is kind of what's bothering me about you this game. i feel like you're townreading me for like, verifiably good reasons. reasons you can talk about and quantify. i feel like a lot of the time when you're town, you townread me for ehhhhh reasons but defend it to death.

and like, yeah you're absolutely right. i realized lately i hate mafia and feel dead the whole game etc etc (i love 3p for fortune of lies was dif). but it just feels like you're able to explain it too well for you as town.

Would you say that you have, with this read, placed Lime Coke in a position where he can win? "You're bothering me because your reasons for your reads are good" is a bit difficult to take seriously.

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To clarify my view of leetic, which seems to be halfway controversial at this point: I view him as a player who in his hunt favors the most direct, readily apparent evidence available. He isn't the sort to take extra logical steps to develop reads e.g. wifom, and whether he is right or wrong he will stick with the first available interpretation of the posts in front of him. A Syndicate long-timer that I think plays a similar game is DFaraday. Sometimes that approach can be interpreted as opportunistic or low in nuance without those added inferential steps in the thought process even when it's a part of a player's solving process.

For Marmot:

I don't care about "pressure". I didn't "offer" to step back, it's just what I have done in this game and I explained when prompted.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.
Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

I only have one vote, and I did deliberate whether to drop it on Sloonei or Dizzy for the same reason.

They're both players who are aware of the game and will reliably involve themselves in it whenever they do, so I am not "concerned" really. But sure, the little reminders that we remember them and care about them are important.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.

Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

I clarified a couple posts later, so refer there. I wish to address the orange briefly though, because this is a recurring question that I deal with and I might just refer back to this post number if/when I see it again (no affront intended to you ilario for asking). While I do have a sense on some level of what is or is not "alignment indicative" for certain people, that is not a mindset that holds dominating sway over my solving practice. I think it's a fundamentally flawed question, at least in the way it's most often applied (to literally everything). Sometimes accusations ought to be rendered without regard for such specific notions of meta. I'll include this in the forward of my book.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.

Do your thing, my guy. It's a long day phase, and I know that when you want to make a difference you have your own way of doing it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Why are his snapreads boring? Or have you adopted the Master Radishes approach now?

See above for the former. I sorely desire to do the latter. I need to find a new way to play this game if it is going to last, and his is really easy.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
We both know this is a lie

I don't expect public development in your reads, but in the past I have had some basic understanding of what could get you to your reads -- at least in the one game. These snap reads here could be extracted from a random generator in my view.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:14 pm If you're asking for a serious reason I can give you some that I think people might agree with, but I will not give you my read.

Give me whatever you wish to give me, NotAnAxehole, whether nothing or something or everything.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?

If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:50 am None of the conversations interest me so far.
Can you please write an article about how to play like this so I can adopt that method for the rest of eternity? Thanks in advance.
I wrote an article about how to play mafia, but it was instantly downvoted to the pits of hell.

In your own uniquely NAA words, why should iaafr be placed upon a pike?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:50 am None of the conversations interest me so far.

Can you please write an article about how to play like this so I can adopt that method for the rest of eternity? Thanks in advance.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:23 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:03 am I guess I think nook and jay are v/v now lmao
ok ur town lol

Why

I laughed

Out loud

What I really like about this game thread right now is its pace. We’re chugging along at a good, productive rate without blowing it up completely. This kind of pace, if maintained, would be perfect to put up 100 posts at consistent rates instead of just 1-2 hyperbolic bursts. We’ll do our best.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 am Fwiw I see the points people brought up about JJJ but I can also understand why he would be taking a more hands-off approach this particular game. I think he’s overall null for me.

Okay that’s actually my last post for a while until there’s more content

I don't quite agree. I've seen JJJ poor forth massive efforts in games where it wasn't required because of the player list (see Bread Mafia or even Fargo), and I've also seen him warn beforehand that he won't poor effort into the game, only to do so anyway.

If/when I start doing that again please tell me to stfu because 1) post cap and 2) I really just need to not

Nanook gonna do what Nannook do, and I am inclined to let him do it for a while before passing major judgment. I’ve theories for later.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 am This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.
lol Jay wolfing

Are you enjoying yourself Mac?

This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:37 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:29 am Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.
What’s off
You're talking about people and not to people. I'm accustomed to you engaging people with their takes and posts, rather than dropping a line or two and moving on.

Your tone doesn't look to me like you feel comfortable in this game.

I realize the first of these things is not what's happening here, but that's what I've noticed in your first dozen posts or so (I'm still on page 4).

Okay.

There’s a facilitatory character to what I suspect folks perceive as Generic Jay Play that is less critical in a game filled with great players who will talk plenty without me. That definitely includes pointed dialogue AT people. This thread has started the right way I think and I don’t feel an immediate need to do all that stuff right now. The game is doing well to facilitate itself without all my incessant nudging. Nice job gang!

I’ll let you catch up

SPF’s reads carry a degree of nuance that I tend to associate with her town game without striking me as contrived or rehearsed. Good start in the post-uwu era*

*band name dibs CLAIMED

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:29 am Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

What’s off

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:27 pm i usually townread LC for the way he explains his reads. i haven't seen anything from him yet that i'd consider towny explaining

also LC's reception of suspicion defs varies based on who susses him lol

Thanks for the perspective. I'll see how your read develops your own way and trust it to be fair now that I know who you are.

It's always good to be calm. The game of Mafia is literally never worth not being calm. We're among the best players in the world around here and still: nobody has a clue who we are outside of our enclosed little Mafia community. I believe in your vibes as a calm dude, LC. I believe.

Of course if any EMer or someone that knows LC well has reason to protest that rationale, then protest away.

When last I played with Lime Coke, he was town and play took on a pretty distinct character to my memory:

Stay calm
Adopt a process
Trust the process
Trust other people to sort the process

That process was a dedicated POE hunt that if I recall caught him some flak last time, and despite that he stuck to it (until perhaps running out of gas). I am seeing some of the same general mentality in this young game, not just in a pursuit of town reads but in a general perspective that there's a process and it will work if I allow it to work. An example is LC's reception of suspicion: to give a basic effort to convey a town spirit while mostly just trusting others to get there. So I appreciate all of that from LC so far.

Thanks for saying anything!

Anne demanding my fealty while being suspected to some extent by folks that know her better than I do is a curiosity.

Anne what are your immediate views of the EM people?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:11 pm i feel meh about
jay
nook
cass
spf because i feel like it

can you say something about the vibes

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:54 pm i feel like im obvious town and it's not really up to me to help other people see that. like, i have no reason to appeal to you or towncase myself at this point in the game. it was just an observation that i'm extremely townie and yet still not on this list.

I don't know you as a player terribly well and have nothing at this point to point to that says to me "Anne is green". You just keep doing your thing and I'll see how I feel.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:47 pm ilartic
cassandra
Lime Coke

The shade of green is irrelevant, just call it "green"
I'm lock town already tbh and you're even more obvious mafia for not recognizing that, shame on you good sir. Shame!

you sure are something

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:47 pm ilartic
cassandra
Lime Coke

The shade of green is irrelevant, just call it "green"
serious question: why am i not on there?

Your posts haven't made me feel much of anything to this point. If you would like a green skittle, I am always eager to provide them. But you need to help me out mkay. Why is Anne a green skittle?

ilartic
cassandra
Lime Coke

The shade of green is irrelevant, just call it "green"

cassandra's view of leetic maps nicely to my own and reflects well on her. Cool beans.

leetic has a uniquely pointed means of getting into dialogues with people, as in, he is assertive even in contexts where it may not necessarily be "warranted" (this shouldn't be interpreted as a complaint). I haven't played a ton of games with the fellow, but it's immediately recognizable in his treatment of me. The general "shouldn't you be solving more" dig is an ordinary thing for someone in his position (limited but non-zero experience with me) to expect of JaggedJimmyJay, and there's already nuance in the development of his perspective of me that I think looks authentic.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:38 pm Jay is nakedly outed mafia and should be stoned and exiled

but why

I have zero opinion of leetic's claim and town read leetic

Lime Coke seems to be trying to sort town reads and it feels fine. He set that precedent as town in Fleabag and it should have kept him alive were it not for our crap hunting in that game.

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