The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:29 pm But I don't know who mafia is so.

Weird that you feel the need to remark that.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:02 pm @Lag @Jack can you guys tell me I'm crazy if I'm crazy for thinking those quotes are Hollowcat trying to signal to Dizzy in a last-ditch effort to get them to unvote him?

I wouldn't say you're crazy but I'm not seeing it.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:00 pm It's interesting that you think it's a possibility he was trying to make it look this way

Again he has 0 reason to make it look that way since death=loss. He's not a normal mafia team member who wants to throw town off after they flip. Were you voting him at that time?

If he is about to lose he could try to kingmake someone though, just like you were trying to help Mac win early out of the goodness of your heart.

Now would he necessarily kingmake the other mafia? Maybe. Makes sense but I'm not sure. For that matter he did not vote day 3, so maybe there was some anti-spew.

I still have a hard time believing HK busses Jack one day after bussing falcon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:51 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:09 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:04 pm I'm between dragon and arc so arc being between me and dragon doesn't look so terrible to me except that everyone else considers dragon to be cleared (i still don't know why. I read things. I don't think he's cleared.)
I can't speak for others but the main reason they townread me seems to be my interactions with falcon on day 1.
Do you think you've been towny otherwise?

I... guess? That's a weird question, I have been trying to approach the game like I usually do. Haven't been able to post a lot due to RL but for what I was able to I think I did fine.

I guess wifom isn't the best term there but yeah you get it.

This is wifom but I think every person who has a lot of experience playing games with me is currently townreading me.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:11 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:07 pm Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.
What do you think my priority should be?
Anyone not called Mac.
but he's fun to poke

okay sir, what is your read of dizzy?

I have a really hard time thinking he fakes that fight with Mac.

Not impossible but like, really hard.

And Ive seen scum Dizzy he feels kinda of different. More detatched. This Dizzy cares. Maybe too much.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:07 pm Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.
What do you think my priority should be?

Anyone not called Mac.

Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.

Or because you don't wanna focus on finding scum?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:53 pm I believe that mac has a true townread on DDL with much more confidence than I believe he has a true townread on Mizery

Why are you trying to analyse what Mac believes

How is this relevant

We know hes not a wolf

Unless someone CCs but if they havent already thats just stupid lol

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:04 pm I'm between dragon and arc so arc being between me and dragon doesn't look so terrible to me except that everyone else considers dragon to be cleared (i still don't know why. I read things. I don't think he's cleared.)

I can't speak for others but the main reason they townread me seems to be my interactions with falcon on day 1.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:04 pm Like, I'd believe Lag might make a sacrifice like that as wolf for towncred in a different situation like earlier when more mafia were alive or if Lag could just plan to kill porscha later but porscha was primo lim material for yesterday and today and now she's not so it's just too much -ev. Not saying it clears Lag but it puts me over the edge on feeling confident enough to declare them a strong townread

But if Lag doesn't point it out, the chance someone else does is huge.

Catching up I felt like Porscha was sticking out like a sore thumb.

Tbh i still read Lag mostly town on tone I just think they seem like someone who would be able to make moves like that to seek "clears". I don't know Lag's wolf range so my paranoia won't go away.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:47 pm luffy's treatment of me trying to chain-clear lag is weird

I just think it's a reach.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:34 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:33 pm Real townies don't give a damn if Mac has the coin or not.
I care because if he doesn't have the coin he's going to vote and push his townreads.

Mac is just one person and he doesn't know this game's solution anymore than you do. If you think he is right, sheep him. If you don't, don't sheep him.

Real townies don't give a damn if Mac has the coin or not.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:26 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:23 pm I would have elucidated that derp clear exactly to get the read you have if I were in Lag's position as a wolf.
How would you know I'd make that read?
I wouldn't but as a wolf I would try to say obvious things like that to make people think I'm being real. I wouldn't specifically expect you to bite it though, but it would be a general strategy.
So the thing is the porscha derpclear really was quite good, taking a pretty heavily fos'd towny to basically a clear, and it wasn't obvious either. You're saying as maf you'd point that out, saccing one of your ML-able townies just for the possibility of a second-degree townread?

Yes.

Because having ML-able townies around isn't enough if people don't have reasons to townread me. I will get PoE'd eventually. A mafia needs to say things that look pro-town, and sometimes that means actually helping town with little things that don't matter much in the long run.

Or if you mean now, it doesn't matter because Mac isn't an "extra unconfirmed player". He's confirmed.

At the end of the day, I don't think it matters much if we sleep sooner or later. But your focus on helping Mac's wincon and later on sleep shenanigans feels like a bunch of diversion that doesn't take us anywhere.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:20 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:14 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:13 pm and you sleep now anyways because you want a 4 vs. 1 ML instead of a 5 vs. 1 ML after you die
But if the remaining guy is confirmed town what difference does it make?

It least with 5v1 we get an extra head to think (Mac's).
Nah we're at 7v1 right now, with mac. if we lim we go to 5v1 without mac. We could sleep there, but sleeping at the 4 way doesn't work

Happy to keep mac around today if he isn't gonna spend all day tinfoiling me, and if the tie resolves our way after lim
Sounds like your view boils down to self-pres.

[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine
Nope my priority was making sure we don't end up with an extra un-clear by forfeiting the opportunity to stay ahead of mafia on kills, as u can see if you read my posts at all today

Except if that happens we can just sleep at f4.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:23 pm I would have elucidated that derp clear exactly to get the read you have if I were in Lag's position as a wolf.
How would you know I'd make that read?

I wouldn't but as a wolf I would try to say obvious things like that to make people think I'm being real. I wouldn't specifically expect you to bite it though, but it would be a general strategy.

But I'm not Lag so

I would have elucidated that derp clear exactly to get the read you have if I were in Lag's position as a wolf.

Why can't we sleep at f4? Who wrote that?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:14 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:13 pm and you sleep now anyways because you want a 4 vs. 1 ML instead of a 5 vs. 1 ML after you die
But if the remaining guy is confirmed town what difference does it make?

It least with 5v1 we get an extra head to think (Mac's).
Nah we're at 7v1 right now, with mac. if we lim we go to 5v1 without mac. We could sleep there, but sleeping at the 4 way doesn't work

Happy to keep mac around today if he isn't gonna spend all day tinfoiling me, and if the tie resolves our way after lim

Sounds like your view boils down to self-pres.

[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:14 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:13 pm and you sleep now anyways because you want a 4 vs. 1 ML instead of a 5 vs. 1 ML after you die
But if the remaining guy is confirmed town what difference does it make?

It least with 5v1 we get an extra head to think (Mac's).
It's 7v1 not 5v1.

This isn't even up for debate lol.

He means next day phase.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:13 pm and you sleep now anyways because you want a 4 vs. 1 ML instead of a 5 vs. 1 ML after you die

But if the remaining guy is confirmed town what difference does it make?

It least with 5v1 we get an extra head to think (Mac's).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:08 pm Anyway bring me all of your cases and conjecture and let's figure out who the rapscallion is.

I feel like it'd Arcbell but ya know I'm not gonna tunnel cuz the last mafia seems to want me to die over actual town. Such is the mighty threat that I am.

Why Arcbell

I have felt weird about him all game. And I really hate this "lets help the 3P" crap do I might vote there.

If mafia holters a kill just to help mac they are stupid and deserve to lose.

Abd if we do the same, we are stupid and deserve to lose.

Play to your wincon, not Mac's.

That said, we probably need to sleep once, sooner or later, since even numbers make it more difficult to find mafia. Then again, since there is one confirmed player, it probably doesn't matter either way.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:11 pm If you guys want the real deal, join this year's Favorites.

It's our most prized tradition. Our Role Madness Superbowl. Half the monster indies I mentioned before come from some version of favorites. I made the zombie cult when I co-hosted the 2015 edition.

It's a game where you submit two characters and one will become a role to be given to a random player. Kinda like Mac's U-Pick, but more role madness. Dunya once said roles there look like newspapers. She wasn't wrong.

https://www.fanverse.org/threads/favorites-22.1254213/

(It is a 24/24 game with 50-70 players though)
I'll join if you remind me closer to the start date July is too far for me to be making a commitment

I asked the host and he told me you have until June 7th to sign up, with your two character submissions.

Sorry for flooding the topic with talk of other games but I dare you all to say this isn't better than the coin talk.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:18 pm falcon iso clears arcbell mizy ddl mac and me

ill read HK next
(in like a hour or so,)

If you think falcon iso clears you this is probably a GREAT timing to say how.

(also its an anime site with lax rules and some toxic players so if you are too sensitive that might be a bad idea. Still, that game is fun as fuck)

If you guys want the real deal, join this year's Favorites.

It's our most prized tradition. Our Role Madness Superbowl. Half the monster indies I mentioned before come from some version of favorites. I made the zombie cult when I co-hosted the 2015 edition.

It's a game where you submit two characters and one will become a role to be given to a random player. Kinda like Mac's U-Pick, but more role madness. Dunya once said roles there look like newspapers. She wasn't wrong.

https://www.fanverse.org/threads/favorites-22.1254213/

(It is a 24/24 game with 50-70 players though)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:40 pm @lag

What reads? I made a big post on day 3 where I explained all. Its barely changed since then. Are there any you want elaboration on? (Please don't say all, I'm on phone and tired)

The site's name is FanVerse, formely named Naruto Forums.

I just realized I asked people to talk to me then told Lag I don't have anything to say lol sorry for that Lag will try to be less grumpy.

But like I really don't have much to add. I'm not a great scumhunter, and whenever I do succeed at scumhunting I mostly use my gut.

I need to host an NF style game in here some time.

Ive hosted a few cool games but Ive never gone full NF style. I think I'm afraid syndicate people will think it's too crazy since they are more down to earth.

I should just do it though. They can probably handle it.

But I need to time it with vacation time. And get a co-host. Or both.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:42 pm Like I once made a hitman role that let players opt to sacrifice one day's vote for a kill on a target of their choice. No strings attached, and the hitman's wincon was just to make a lot of "money" (the votes).

Nobody ever hired it.

[cries]
Weird, that sounds like a no brainder

Except it's closed setup and everyone is mentally scarred by the horror parade of 3Ps I just described.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:41 pm What are your thoughts on porscha and srceenplay luffy?

Porscha isn't trying super hard but seems honest. But the amount of effort is low so it's not all very hard to fake. The low volume is NAI, but I need more. Would kill after screen.

Screen is whatever, I don't think suspecting him day 1 like some did made sense, he's just fluffling, occasionally saying logical things and being apathetical. He could be town. He probably is. He's not doing much to avoid the top of the PoE though.

So one gives some town feeling and the other gives nothing and is like =rand. I vote =rand.

Like I once made a hitman role that let players opt to sacrifice one day's vote for a kill on a target of their choice. No strings attached, and the hitman's wincon was just to make a lot of "money" (the votes).

Nobody ever hired it.

[cries]

@lag

What reads? I made a big post on day 3 where I explained all. Its barely changed since then. Are there any you want elaboration on? (Please don't say all, I'm on phone and tired)

The site's name is FanVerse, formely named Naruto Forums.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm So "lets help the 3P" my ass.
I mean not all 3P are the same. This one is pretty townsided as they go. It literally can't win if town loses

It currently can't win if town wins too.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.
Lol

I've wanted to try a weak version of a cultist: Demonic Cultist - May give a player the option to sign their soul away and join their cult once per night. Each signature grants the head cultist a new power, and if someone refuses they lose power / die / something bad

Personal experience: roles that offer "deals with the devil" to players get rejected 90% of the time. Players get really paranoid at that stuff for some reason. Ive tried a few times, they've never worked.

So "lets help the 3P" my ass.

Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.

Ok caught up.

Ive made my point about coins and scrooges above.

My point about NAA is that I have no idea but I don't usually spend much time doing NKA so whatever.

I have at least a small town read on everyone except screen so PoE says kill screen. If you want more just search my iso for that post where I described what I think of everyone, it hasn't changed much since.

[VOTE: srceen] aubergine

Tomorrow will be an insane day at work so if you want to talk to me or ask me questions you have two hours.

(Please talk to me nobody is asking me questions anymore and I feel lonely)

Did you guys just make me read 3 pages of coin talk.

Why.

Here 's my opinion. We can't control who the coin lands on, so it is a nothingburger. Mac's wincon is irrelavant to us, so we shouldn't give a shit about it (sorry Mac).

You people need to play some games from my home site sometime, then you will know the feeling of being utterly destroyed by 3P's so well you will never raise your voice to talk about helping a 3P again.

Let's kill wolves plz.

Oh Mac stole my joke.

Catching up sucks.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:48 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:43 pm Look, this isn't personal and I don't wanna start a thing, though maybe I just did.

But gamethrowing is against forum rules. If you think someone is doing it, message the mods, don't say it in public.

And it is often used to attack people who have non-meta playstyles. Which is mean and elitist.

Or in this game's case, when I said I would have few posts in day 2 because I was enjoying easter weekend with my family and Rondo replied by calling me a gamethrower and a slanker.

So please don't do that, okay?
I mean, I agree it shouldn't be used to manipulate or put people down, or to deter people from using certain strategies, but sometimes when discussing hypothetical strategies you do need a word for playing against your win condition and that word is game throwing

Yeah ok thats fair.

So my rule would be more specific: "don't accuse people of gamethrowing"

Joking.

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