The Syndicate

I say (hoping?) only because I find final 3 very stressful and I have a 50% success rate in that situation.

I would personally prefer Alison vote and then leave the decision to who is final to F3, but I’m also suspecting (hoping?) I won’t make it to F3 and will get the NK tonight as everyone has finally seemed to give up on voting me and unanimously decided I am town now.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:32 am I really hope both Rondo and fingers show up this EOD to prevent wolves from sniping a tie.

I will vote later this evening (unless someone else outs, almost certainly for Alison) but it’s unlikely for me to be around EOD as usual

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:43 am Like maybe you should be more interested in the fact how Nate was decided to be the yeet by players that are not me? I tried to argue against the Nate yeet but I wasn't listened to

I’m not sure arguing against Nate is a point in your favour. For sure scum might have pushed him, but some is also just town who was wrong. And mafia would know who was town, so easy if he was already going over without their help to be like “hey don’t vote there. I think he’s town. SEE I WAS RIGHT!?!” Not saying that is what happened here but just arguing against Nate is a neutral point at this point IMO

I slept on my mafia thoughts, and my primary interest today is still Alison. I don’t know exactly who her partner is because I can see Alison paired with boq/rondo/creature. And that’s why I think she is the best vote today and most likely to be wolf. I don’t think any other combo works if one of the people isn’t Alison.

Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:42 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:40 am I don't think it's Creature/Rondo which means Boq/finger can't be T/T. Which means your worldview has a big problem to me.
well the thing is, my worldview has you and Rondo as scum, so that's a problem indeed tbh

I could see this

I’m throwing out all my previous reads and starting fresh

I did express scum read on Creature but then felt better about him yesterday but now back to not sure.

I don’t think Nate and creature were tied when I placed the vote, but admittedly it was a quick vote late at night so I guess could be wrong there. I didn’t intend to peace out after but I passed out in an uncomfortable position intending to read more Lol

I’m primarily interested in Alison right now, not you though. She has gotten not nearly enough attention this game

Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:37 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:31 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:10 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:21 amGood morning
Your thoughts on the game?

I was pretty disheartened by Nate's flip.

I don't know if I should be reconsidering my read on Jay's spew, because I thought it looked pretty bad for Nate and I was wrong.
I think I have either miscleared Rondo or that the team is Creature/fingers. The scum reads on Nate yesterday felt kinda impossible to debate against because everyone had decided he was scum tbh
Also a lot of what you said last night on re-reading felt like you were preparing to rescind your read on me so you saying this just makes me more suspicious
"A lot"? Hardly. I entertained the idea at the end of the day because I still felt like Nate would flip town and I needed to look through my misclearings. Your response about the fingers thing made me eh.

I still dont see why Fingers gets out of her way to vote Nate there if both Creature/Nate are town tbh, and that helps me with my world building.
The obvious answer being because I am not mafia because as you deduced there would be no point for me if I were mafia to vote there
Why did you vote Nate?

Poe everyone else seeming much townier, a previously expressed paranoia that the spreadsheets were to gain town cred, and a quick decision based on him already having votes and me not wanting to miss the vote.

How do you currently feel about Alison?

I’m going to laugh so hard if the mafia team is jjj/Alison/boq. Like I wouldn’t even be mad losing.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:42 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:38 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:09 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:55 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:09 pm nate is hot (physically)

that’s not how i expected you to respond
How did you expect me to respond?

Do you have thoughts on the vote stuff? Nobody's really said much.
trying to read you atm, how confident are you that creature is a wolf?
I've made it clear that I think there's a wolf in creature or Allison bc at least one teammate would want to be on his wagon at eod.
and if that eod wagon is clean? a point Alison brought up was that creature came out of nowhere and voted jjj when he didn't have to, hmmmm which could be bussing but that would be too obvious and disadvantageous for the game state, jjj wouldn't allow such a play

This is an interesting interaction.

Nate thinks creature or Alison mafia for suspected J bus. Lucy says she doesn’t think it’s creature.

Both are now dead.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:24 pm Damn I really wanted Alison's vote of confidence on this

I'm leaning towards the wolfteam being Boq + Nate and I feel more confident on Boq being wolf because that's where Dyslexicon was leaning into when they died and also because I feel like Boquise hasn't been playing to solve, but rather to follow an agenda

I'm less sure on Nate, but I still remember him pushing a list entirely composed of town yesterday and I feel like wolves' play here is to keep hammering these town names until town budges on them and they get a mislynch. I feel like if wolves decided to bus they could easily fall prey to the POE
agree 100%

Interesting dizzy and Lucy apparently both said boq wolf before dying

Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:10 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:21 amGood morning
Your thoughts on the game?

I was pretty disheartened by Nate's flip.

I don't know if I should be reconsidering my read on Jay's spew, because I thought it looked pretty bad for Nate and I was wrong.
I think I have either miscleared Rondo or that the team is Creature/fingers. The scum reads on Nate yesterday felt kinda impossible to debate against because everyone had decided he was scum tbh
Also a lot of what you said last night on re-reading felt like you were preparing to rescind your read on me so you saying this just makes me more suspicious
"A lot"? Hardly. I entertained the idea at the end of the day because I still felt like Nate would flip town and I needed to look through my misclearings. Your response about the fingers thing made me eh.

I still dont see why Fingers gets out of her way to vote Nate there if both Creature/Nate are town tbh, and that helps me with my world building.

The obvious answer being because I am not mafia because as you deduced there would be no point for me if I were mafia to vote there

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:13 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:21 amGood morning
Your thoughts on the game?

I was pretty disheartened by Nate's flip.

I don't know if I should be reconsidering my read on Jay's spew, because I thought it looked pretty bad for Nate and I was wrong.
I think I have either miscleared Rondo or that the team is Creature/fingers. The scum reads on Nate yesterday felt kinda impossible to debate against because everyone had decided he was scum tbh
I think I feel good about Rondo still.

We would in this position a day ago, with Nate still on the table as a misexe, if he had not unvoted.

Creature was a lesser clear, in that he placed his vote on Jay at a time where doing so wouldn't prevent Jay from forcing a tie. I liked him yesterday because of Jay spew, but that spew also looked bad for Nate. So I dunno if I should trust it.

I don't think Creature + you is a team.
I know I'm town, and Rondo is my clear. So I guess if Creature is mafia he's probably with finger, yeah.

If finger is mafia she can be with you or Creature.

If you're mafia, for the same reason that Creature is only mafia with finger, then I'd expect you're mafia with finger too.

So maybe we should just exe finger since she's the most likely mafia in every world. But I am not sure of anything right now and will be re-evaluating my read on everyone. I want to check her interactions with Jay.

My “most likely” teammates are my main suspects for most of this game.

I haven’t played a great game this game, but I think it should be pretty clear by this point that I am completely on my own, and especially with the people who are left I literally don’t make sense being teammates with any of them.

I expected mafia push today though, since I am the easiest target left so I guess bring it on

[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

I’ve had such a horrible night. My kid has screamed for the past 4 hours. I don’t have much brain capacity for mafia right now, but I’ll try to stay up. It’s unlikely though

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:20 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:12 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:02 am Why do you suspect lucy could have been faking her EOD play in cahoots with Jay, but not Rondo? Do you townread Rondo independently/scumread lucy independently?
Yes this. Independent read
But I’m taking EOD into consideration, so unlikely to vote there today which would leave me with Nate or Boq more likely (also still possible to be you but seem more town to me)
If I get time today I’ll try and reread Lucy to make sense of why I feel that way. But my time might be better spent on deciding if a Nate and boq team fit with Jay as that’s who I’m left with
Why does Boq insist on a wolf in Alison/Boq/Jay if the team is Boq/Jay/Nate?

To clear teammate after wolf flip

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:02 am Why do you suspect lucy could have been faking her EOD play in cahoots with Jay, but not Rondo? Do you townread Rondo independently/scumread lucy independently?

Yes this. Independent read
But I’m taking EOD into consideration, so unlikely to vote there today which would leave me with Nate or Boq more likely (also still possible to be you but seem more town to me)
If I get time today I’ll try and reread Lucy to make sense of why I feel that way. But my time might be better spent on deciding if a Nate and boq team fit with Jay as that’s who I’m left with

No, I don’t suspect you solely because we have clashed. You’ll notice I have also clashed with Rondo but he is higher up on the list, so I’m not only suspecting for clashing

That’s where my head is currently at. I spent a lot of this game suspecting and voting Creature, so I’m pretty surprised I have them at top but that’s where I feel best atm

fingersplints

Creature
RondoDimBuckle

Alison
lucy

NateTheLesser
Boquise

I think some good points have been made as to why certain people are more townie but looking at the list I don’t really trust anyone who is left.

Like I appreciate the EOD for Lucy still looks good, but I’m still paranoid that that was planned with Jay to make her look good.

Nate’s voting spreadsheets is reminding me of a game where someone (I think maybe BoKnows) posted some charts or spreadsheets, and got a lot of town cred for it but ended up being mafia.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:26 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:25 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:23 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:20 pm Looks good for Creature and Fingersplints since Marmot was shielding them.
I agree finger is less likely to make the Marmot kill when she could have killed lucy/Rondo or myself.
I agree it would make no sense for me, if I were mafia, to kill Marmot, my biggest defender. I would have absolutely killed Rondo if I were mafia lol
Little point to this as you can’t really take my word for it, but absolutely correct thinking here.
rude

Why is that rude? It’s not personal. You are widely town read and have been my most vocal critic this game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:22 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:15 pm boq/nate and finger is the team?
I really am not sure how viable finger is at this point. She has been so inactive the wolf team would have to know she is going to get policed at some point just because she has no content. Maybe this is ridiculous to say but if finger is a wolf then nate/boq would have to be the deep wolf and then nate wouldnt be protecting JJJ and Boq wouldnt be pushing towny people. So I dunno if Finger is wolf at this point purely on end of game outcome? Does this make sense?

I agree with the idea that if I were wolf than the wolf team would have long ago bussed me when I was getting a lot of attention.

I do take issue with calling my posting “no content” and “so inactive”
We get it. You think I don’t post enough by your standards. By my standard you post way way way way way more than is necessary.
I have been contributing in my own way.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:23 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:20 pm Looks good for Creature and Fingersplints since Marmot was shielding them.
I agree finger is less likely to make the Marmot kill when she could have killed lucy/Rondo or myself.

I agree it would make no sense for me, if I were mafia, to kill Marmot, my biggest defender. I would have absolutely killed Rondo if I were mafia lol
Little point to this as you can’t really take my word for it, but absolutely correct thinking here.

glad you all were right about JJJ

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:10 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:09 pm I’ve answered your questions.
No, you have not.
Why does not Lucy/Creature/Alison make sense?

I have.

I never said Lucy/Creature/Alison doesn’t make sense. I said your POE, as listed in the post below of Lucy/creature/Alison/me doesn’t make sense. You said after my comment if you remove me.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:18 pm I am only yeeting between Creature/Alison/Lucy/Fingers today

I’ve answered your questions.

No, I read that part fine, thanks.

Your point was that our POE’s are the same “if you remove me”
You didn’t remove me though. You had me and my point to it not making sense was about my connections within your POE where you had me.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:56 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:53 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:51 pm and i also would like need to know more than "gut" on Creature/Boq/Lucy
have you read anything today?
That’s the second time this game you have made comments if I’ve read anything. Why do you keep discrediting my posts as “having not read”? I didn’t say anything to imply I hadn’t read today

This isn’t the first time I’ve voiced concern over you so it’s a bit more than “gut”. The exercise was quick Gth read and the “gut” was Lucy
i am discrediting you because it doesnt make any sense considering today and my focus. It does show that you arent reading the game.
Why doesnt my poe make sense when if we remove you it is 66% the same poe as yours?

I fail to see how it shows that I am not reading.

It doesn’t make sense because of my interactions with most of those players. Alison in particular has posted the largest case on me. Unless you think she is making a lot of unnecessary effort to bus me

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:51 pm and i also would like need to know more than "gut" on Creature/Boq/Lucy
have you read anything today?

That’s the second time this game you have made comments if I’ve read anything. Why do you keep discrediting my posts as “having not read”? I didn’t say anything to imply I hadn’t read today

This isn’t the first time I’ve voiced concern over you so it’s a bit more than “gut”. The exercise was quick Gth read and the “gut” was Lucy

[VOTE: Boq] aubergine

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:46 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:15 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:28 am GTH who is the exact mafia team?

Everyone pls answer
If I had to pick an exact team right now I'd say Marmot/Alison/Creature.

What's your answer?
Creature/boq/lucy
That doesnt make much sense at all tbh

Well I could say the same to yours.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:40 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:15 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:28 am GTH who is the exact mafia team?

Everyone pls answer
If I had to pick an exact team right now I'd say Marmot/Alison/Creature.

What's your answer?
Creature/boq/lucy
where’s the lucy boq connection

I haven’t gotten that far as to how probable it is that’s the entire team. Just my gut answer to my own question.
You at the end was also intentional as the last one I thought of.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:15 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:28 am GTH who is the exact mafia team?

Everyone pls answer
If I had to pick an exact team right now I'd say Marmot/Alison/Creature.

What's your answer?

Creature/boq/lucy

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:13 pm I still think Creature's town tbh. I review two of his scum games and two of his town games in the last year, and his posting is far more in line with his town games. Specifically his paranoid complaints about mis-elimming at EOD. There's just none of that in his scum games, and quite a bit in his town games.

Town

Pandas vs Trash Pandas
RPG Mafia

Scum

Rings of Power
Fall of Númenor

Creature voters, I'm curious if you agree with this take.

@fingersplints @RondoDimBuckle @NateTheLesser
I just realised I didn't reply to this @ at best I will read when I get home and at worst I won't read it. I really don't like reading other games. This game is the only one that matters right now. If you get what I mean. Anything else is a form of wifom. But if its short I might give it a go later

I feel the same as this. I sometimes look at another game quick but reading four games probably won’t happen for me. I actually even played one of those games and I don’t remember if creature was the same.

I have some reservations about my past Creature suspicion based on recent tone, so if I get a chance I will

I say exact because I don’t want this to be like the POE where there is an extra person or any well if I’m wrong about this person than this person.
I think this will be interesting to compare

GTH who is the exact mafia team?

Everyone pls answer

How many more mistakes can we make before game over?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:36 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:32 pm I checked the kill this morning but agent been able to be around all day, but while I was walking to pick up my daughter I had thought that maybe there wasn’t actually mafia in the JJJ/Boq/Alison group and it might be just a setup to throw suspicion on those three who were town lead, so whoever mentions it today is suspicious
Interesting that it’s Boq

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:19 am

This kill again points at 1 scum inside me/JJJ/Alison btw so I am feeling smug about being right there.

I’m curious as to who was the first person to suggest this trio (if it was also Boq - so maybe actually the mafia in the group but thought it was more likely to get the others with votes) but doubt I’ll be able to find it and not that curious to spend hours looking.

Anyways just random mafia musings I had while out walking
It was Boq that suggested it yesterday, yes, that the Sean kill pointed to that group. I think the group originally came about because Alison/Boq/JJJ/Lucy were kind of the consensus townreads on day one. Are you saying that him bringing it up makes him more likely to be the mafia in that group if there is one?

I’m suggesting it is a possibility, yes, that he is the mafia there. I’ve previously stated that of the trio I find him most suspicious, so this isn’t entirely a new idea on my part. Only my idea that the mafia leaves alone the other consensus town reads and then has one of them (boq) keep mentioning that it’s weird they are all being left alone. This would be a gamble including himself in the group but perhaps he thought (rightfully it seems) it would be easy to divert attention to the other two.
This is just a theory I’m thinking about right now, as it matches my existing suspicions and would be true to my current townread of Jay and Alison.
My other theory is that I’m very wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:39 am There is one potential pairing of players in this game that interests me a great deal. I don't know yet what I will find when I dig, but I think it might prove pretty illuminating when I do dig. I won't say who that pairing is yet. Anyone is free to guess.

Boq and Lucy!

I checked the kill this morning but agent been able to be around all day, but while I was walking to pick up my daughter I had thought that maybe there wasn’t actually mafia in the JJJ/Boq/Alison group and it might be just a setup to throw suspicion on those three who were town lead, so whoever mentions it today is suspicious
Interesting that it’s Boq

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:19 am

This kill again points at 1 scum inside me/JJJ/Alison btw so I am feeling smug about being right there.

I’m curious as to who was the first person to suggest this trio (if it was also Boq - so maybe actually the mafia in the group but thought it was more likely to get the others with votes) but doubt I’ll be able to find it and not that curious to spend hours looking.

Anyways just random mafia musings I had while out walking

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:25 am I am starting to become very wary of fingersplints though. I'm worried that I'm not being pushed very strongly this game because I'm the person who is shielding fingersplints. If we're t/t, I do think it would be hard for the wolves to win without mis-elimming at least one of us.

How come? Don’t bail on me now

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm sleep well @fingersplints

Thanks. I’m actually going to try to stay around for as long as possible. But I’m also going into a tired relax mode, so I know

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:14 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:11 pm I also cannot keep up with the questions, and I also have been made to feel “useless” for my posting.

They might still receive my actual vote as well as the sympathy, but it’s giving me pause because I feel your struggle Creature.
I've had no issue with you being behind or not having time enough to keep up, and have tried reading you regardless.

I’m general I feel those things

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Actually yea gonna vote now. Already 10 and I might fall asleep lol

I also cannot keep up with the questions, and I also have been made to feel “useless” for my posting.

They might still receive my actual vote as well as the sympathy, but it’s giving me pause because I feel your struggle Creature.

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