One of the things I was pinged by in the last few hours of yesterday that I wanted to go back and find, was Marmot's handling of Dizzy. There was a point where Marmot got frustrated that Dizzy wouldn't just make up his mind,
especially that he continued to tinfoil Marmot despite Marmot agreeing with him. I'm quoting Marmot's explanation from the time too, because I buy that the frustration was real and I can see it coming from a towny place of trying to work with Dizzy but being suspected. But I can also see it as frustration that Dizzy is a wildcard that just won't stay pocketed. This is the relevant stuff, spoilered for length:
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:06 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:34 pm
:ponder:
No, I'm really asking.
There was a point in Fleabag where Jay took multiple votes at the end of a day phase in the form of a flashwagon. I took the opportunity to support it to make it look like it had some serious momentum, both to gauge Jay's reaction, and to gauge the thread's reaction to seeing him as a wagon.
Jay's reaction at the time I found townie. I already thought he was town (which I was right), so perhaps I had conf-biased myself, but I thought it was a potentially useful exercise nonetheless. I don't remember much else from that event.
Seeing momentum here, I thought it could be useful to try said tactic again. Jay does look like he's had momentum building on him since mid Day 2 or so. I however think he's still performed just fine under that pressure.
Also, as I've said before, I think Jay is turning into the fallguy for the heat being put on the towncore, and I believe that makes it more likely a miss.
Wat.
That was a complete meme wagon, and Jimmay was never going over in that game.
Whereas here, the suspicion on him is very real.
Do you expect him to perform bad under pressure as mafia more?
Why do you have that feeling, that he's the fallguy? Ender and me have pressured him, Alison to a lesser degree.
I mean, someone who isn't caught up and peaks at the poll doesn't know that
I've already explained it. Boq/jjj/Alison keep getting mentioned as a group, and Jay is taking most of the heat of that group
Boq had taken some.
Alison has taken next to none.
What do you think about that
@Alison I'm getting really bad feels from this whole exchange in regards to Jay/Marmot
Are you even trying to entertain my perspective?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:06 pmAre you even trying to entertain my perspective?
Yes. I also feel like it's kind of outrageous for me to tinfoil you while doing it. Maybe I should stop
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:09 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:10 pmWhat makes you think Jay/Marmot are aligned specifically? And why does the Ender read anchor the rest of yours?
I'm having weird inexplicable creepy feels about Marmot, a player I should town read if he's town. I think he might be out of scum range, but at the same time, I can't shake the suspicion. I also dreamt that I read the thread and was convinced Jay/Marmot was mafia. Yes, this is real. Marmot voted for Jay when me and Ender asked, but imo he's been hedgy about a read there and I felt that he didn't really want to vote there. I was not happy with the way he made it to be a reaction vote when I asked him about it later. He also said Jay is taking a lot of heat, when in fact, it was pretty much just me and Ender. Doesn't seem real. Jay's read on Marmot also feels like it could be on a teammate.
Boq/Jay interaction is also weird. Boq null reading Jay in spite of the thread is something I didn't notice, but it is striking to me now. Then Jay makes a whole case and a scum read on Boq. Boq ends up town reading Jay. Jay votes somewhere else.
Ender is the town read where I have probably made the biggest leap of faith. I don't see anything scummy in his posts really. I don't see who he would be teamed with. He doesn't seem concerned about being caught as scum at all. I just don't think he is. If this is wrong anyway though, my reads would obviously be a lot different.
Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:10 pm
I don't know what to say Dizzy, it's hard to work with you when you turn around and talk about your tinfoil read on me multiple times a day. I want to. I'm putting aside my paranoia of you for now to try and do the same.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:09 pmDon't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon
I don't really know what you're saying here.
I'm frustrated that you seem to tinfoil me when I'm trying to entertain your desires in this game.
Worth noting that Dizzy was tinfoiling Marmot but never voted there, his vote was jumping between Jay/Alison/Creature for much of the day.
Also worth noting that their original disagreement was about Jay. This is the start of it:
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm
@Marmot Why did you vote Jimmay when you clearly didn't want to?
Fleabag
What does that mean?
:ponder:
No, I'm really asking.
There was a point in Fleabag where Jay took multiple votes at the end of a day phase in the form of a flashwagon. I took the opportunity to support it to make it look like it had some serious momentum, both to gauge Jay's reaction, and to gauge the thread's reaction to seeing him as a wagon.
Jay's reaction at the time I found townie. I already thought he was town (which I was right), so perhaps I had conf-biased myself, but I thought it was a potentially useful exercise nonetheless. I don't remember much else from that event.
Seeing momentum here, I thought it could be useful to try said tactic again. Jay does look like he's had momentum building on him since mid Day 2 or so. I however think he's still performed just fine under that pressure.
Also, as I've said before, I think Jay is turning into the fallguy for the heat being put on the towncore, and I believe that makes it more likely a miss.
And I'm trying to untangle the thread of Marmot's read on Jay at this point. He voted Jay earlier (3rd vote), but it was a test to see how Jay reacted and Marmot thought Jay handled it the same as in Fleabag when Jay was town. But then he was frustrated that Dizzy changed his mind and moved off of Jay:
"Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon"
Why the frustration if he thinks Jay is town? And what between then and now has moved Jay to lock wolf?