Marmot wrote:I'm going to slank until at least Day 1 starts
Ture
Marmot wrote:
JJJ is town because he isn't stilted off the face of the earth.
After the events of Philo Mafia 2 and Highway Heist, I may have turbo'd Marmot if he didn't make this read.
Marmot wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.
I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
I find Mac mildly townie, but he's got a tone this game that I'm not used to that I want to keep an eye on. There are posts like this where he uses "lol" in his statements, something that lightens the conviction he had in them (which I get is an odd observation here given that it's added to a statement where he's talking about confidence), but additionally he's using other sentence add-ons like "though" and "but" back-to-back. I'm used to Mac speaking in facts, not considerations.
Anyway, just a note. I did go back through Ducktales Mafia to compare his posting there (a recent town game), Mac did use "lol" several times so maybe this observation isn't concerning. Also Mac caught falcon as scum Day 1 in that game, so his assertion here has some credibility.
To give the simplest summary of my view of Marmot's meta: when he's town, he makes nuanced reads based upon little details often otherwise overlooked. When he's mafia, his posts are farts. So while this read on Mac could be called a hedge, I like that Marmot is paying attention to little things like "lol" placement.
Marmot wrote:
I glanced at DrWilgy's ISO and have a firm townread there.
I glanced at falcon's too and don't have a firm townread, but I'm not ready to call him scum yet. I'll probably defer to Mac's read since he's so consistent at reading him.
Marmot wrote:
I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).
Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot, why am I town?
Because your reads aren't weak (if I may make such a critical statement about your scum game), nor are you making solely peepee poopoo posts.
Marmot wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo
I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.
In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.
In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.
This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.
Marmot wasted no time in giving the town sticker to DrWilgy, and he presented it with assertiveness. Marmot is probably the player on the roster I would most expect to both give Wilgy special attention and also have good insights about Wilgy's enigmatic ways. So this represents a nice start. It must be stated that in the end Marmot voted Wilgy out on Day 2 -- I'll see how things progress to determine to what extent that is an alarm.
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser
Maybe DrWilgy for third
Ooh yes, do explain this one.
Marmot wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser
Maybe DrWilgy for third
Ooh yes, do explain this one.
Hi Marmot. I was nice and voted you earlier, so can you be nice and let me know if you have any thoughts on alignments thus far?
I'm getting there, this is my first time opening the thread since the first hour or two.
Which is why I'm amazed that I found a read from Creature that slots my name as scum with someone else.
Marmot wrote:
Boquise wrote:
Creature wrote:
I could see it being Marmot + NaateTheLesser
Maybe DrWilgy for third
2/3 of those have been fairly quiet. It is sorta typical to scum read the low posters because everyone sounds so townie and solvy. Is there anything on Marmot that you felt, as you wrote this post, was wolfy?
Given that I'd only posted that I was going to slank until Day 1, I'm also curious about this.
Marmot wrote:
For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.
What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
Marmot wrote:
For the record, I was crying, but I was not frozen.
What else did I miss except for Creature accusing me of being frozen multiple times?
Just stop being frozen.
Why do you read me as frozen?
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
Marmot:
[Let It Go image]
Ok but can you answer my question?
Marmot wrote:
Anyway, I do think that Creature's argument to elim me because I am frozen is not a good one. If it's a pressure vote to get me to post content, fine, but I hope he's willing to reconsider at least.
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Creature wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Dizzy is drfunky and gay
Creature is now frozen.
No, I'm bored.
Can you answer my question please?
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
Creature] aubergine
Marmot wrote:
Creature wrote:
Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon
Yeh
This set of posts throws off the timeline of this ISO review slightly, but they all relate to Creature. Creature placed Marmot on an early team of three theory, and this caused Marmot to give Creature a lot of attention thereafter. I appreciate Marmot's persistence here. Small point.
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
Dizzy] aubergine
We're now the leading wagons
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
falcon] aubergine
I'm going to read his ISO, but I'm having trouble reading his current behavior as townie.
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
ender] aubergine
Join my Wilgy
Marmot went on a minor vote movement adventure toward EOD1. The vote for Dizzy tied him for the poll lead with falcon, and the vote for falcon gave him a 2-vote lead. In that way each of them could be called moderately consequential toward shaping the EOD scenario. The Ender vote made it Falcon 6 - Ender 2 and accordingly made less of a difference. Marmot's progression in this sequence is nicely laid out in his posts. He explored a falcon elimination
here (click) and
here (click). He then reviewed Ender's progression on falcon
here (click) and decided that he liked it less, hence leading to his final vote. I think that this stuff looks nice for Marmot. Given that falcon was town, Marmot had the ammunition needed to stand pat and let the chop go -- but he continued to work and try to find the best option available.
Marmot wrote:
Tell me you townread me.
This kind of mirrors the second point I made in this thread. While Marmot and I don't quite have a Sloonei/JJJ understanding of each other, by this point our corresponding metas have become reasonably clear to one another as compared to [at least my] experiences with most other Syndicate regulars. So, wifom aside, I appreciate the vibe of this demand.
Marmot wrote:
Currently, I think the following are various shades of town:
Town
Alison - town
Creature - light town
DrWilgy - strong town
Dyslexicon - light town
RondoDimBuckle - light town
fingersplints - light town
JaggedJimmyJay - strong town
Null
Boquise
lucy
NateTheLesser
Seanzie
Scum
EnderWiggin
I've never actually played with Boq, Nate, or lucy, nor have I put much thought into my read of them this game, which is why they are here. Sean, I don't recall having reason to believe is town (actually I did list one, but I no longer feel that reasoning exists), and Ender was the player I think looks most suspicious thus far.
I don't feel comfortable with the state of this read list, so I will put some effort into adjusting this, both in further informing my poor reads and also further pursuing if I still feel that my light town reads are still townie. I do feel confident on Wilgy and Jay at least.
Marmot's initial takes on Day 2. That strong town read on DrWilgy still stands out. This might end up becoming the crux of the Marmot review, but we'll see.
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
You should tell me about... me.
I found your reaction to Dizzy's vote paltry.
I found your reaction to my vote amusing, but also paltry.
How would you expect town!Sean to react to a naked vote from a player that usually has an okay read on him?
I would expect town!you to have more to say at this point on Day 2 than questioning a vote on you.
Marmot... Marmot marmot marmot...
[VOTE:
Ender] aubergine
This exchange made me laugh
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
You don't believe it. It is BS.
Cool.
Agreed, outing a wolf is pretty cool.
I've changed my mind, but not not for the reason you might think.
On what?
I was reading Mac's ISO and came across an
interaction you had with him talking about Creature, and thought it was a very good take, and most likely a townie take. I have a harder time seeing wolf!you bothering to stick your neck out for a player like Creature (who seems to get misread often).
Seanzie took a few bites at Marmot, and it more or less led here. Marmot doesn't seem to care about the suspicion, which I'd call NAI, and found a unique and separate reason to townread Sean, which is decent.
Marmot wrote:
I'm rereading Ender's Day 1 ISO and am feeling less confident that he's actually a hit.
He's shitposted a lot, but there are flashes of opinions that I like. His treating of JJJ's readlist I think is townie. While I don't like his falcon vote, that's not the only vote he made Day 1 that kinda lacked context. He did so with
fingersplits as well as
Wilgy.
I also read a little bit of his Champs game (where he was wolf), and there was way less shitposting early on. He might have just taken that game more seriously, but the approach is very different here.
Hmmmmm
Marmot had been suspicious of Ender, and that halfway kinda turned here, at least for a time. For the sake of progression it's fine.
Marmot wrote:
To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.
Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.
I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.
I'd call her town right now.
I'd call this one of Marmot's more important posts. He's not the only one that has stood in fingersplints' corner, but this probably represents the most thorough effort to do so. This is similar to his Day 1 handling of Wilgy, so there's a certain aura of defend-the-low-hanging-fruit that Marmot has adopted. I think he is more likely to bother with this if he is town and legitimately believes it, unless he is exactly mafia with fingersplints.
Marmot wrote:
I'm going to work, have fun peeps.
Jay, can you do a Dizzy/Wilgy pairing?
Maybe this is the first hint of Wilgy suspicion forming.
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
Wilgy] aubergine
My confidence that Wilgy is town has vanished and I want to try this vote.
Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Been vastly busy today.
See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.
Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.
What's goin on in the thread?
DrWilgy wrote:
Creature wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Creature wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
What's goin on in the thread?
Feels like we're on fire
A fire like this
I see.
Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?
Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here
Understood. Now how about Wiggin?
DrWilgy wrote:
Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE:
Ender] aubergine
The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.
On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).
Alright, there it is. We're left to take it or leave it. I'm a bit torn. I'll pose a question for Marmot:
Why was it a significant problem, in your view, that Wilgy seemed singularly focused on Ender? How does this differ from your expectation of a town Wilgy?
It should be noted that this was not Marmot's final vote of Day 2, though it did eventually return to Wilgy.
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?
Marmot wrote:
And sean also had one with me early on today.
Marmot wrote:
Sorry lucy, I think your perception of sean is way off.
Also, I think he's more likely to fight people than make friends in a mafia game, per your observation of him not making friends.
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
Sean hasn't pressed people?
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?
two sided, pressing is one sided
He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.
But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?
Marmot wrote:
I think sean is an aggressive player. Different than Mac, but still agressive, I think he has done that this game.
But I agree with sean, I don't know why you are looking for that specifically from him unless you either knew that was his meta, or are that good at picking up on players' playstyles, or have gathered that meta from the thread.
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
lucy] aubergine
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game
He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?
two sided, pressing is one sided
Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.
because you're reading everything and responding with a fine tooth comb, actually putting a decent amount of work into formulating your own reads and responding to odd messages and getting into arguments based off specific wording. being more aggressive would be relative to the effort a player has put into the game
I think the
blue part is accurate, but I don't understand how that isn't already the
pink part and why you would expect more.
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
lucy] aubergine
if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?
I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.
You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so
Marmot wrote:
lucy wrote:
think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw
sean is an entirely emotionless being
Here's the Day 2 exchanges with lucy and Seanzie. One might assert that Marmot was too harsh about interpreting meanings like "pushing". I don't really feel that way and found it to be an awkward stretch for lucy myself.
He didn't hang on to it anyway (click)
Marmot wrote:
Calling Jay mature is, uh... probably only true inside the game of mafia.
The word "farts" appears in this review.
Marmot wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
Boquise wrote:
ftr i think both finger and marmot are town
I would vote Wilgy with you if there was more of a push for it.
[VOTE:
Wilgy] aubergine
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
Creature] aubergine
Marmot wrote:
I also think lucy is not compatible with Wilgy based on an early Day 1 post I saw.
Jay is though, and choosing to not consider him a suspect on the pretense that his associations are lacking is a little too convenient.
Marmot wrote:
[VOTE:
Wilgy] aubergine
Creature didn't even budge lol
The last vote in this string was Marmot's final of Day 2 (made it 5-3-2, Wilgy-fingersplints-Ender). I don't really understand how Marmot has operated with respect to Wilgy and will need clarification on that front. The orange bit irks me a bit given that pretty much every time I do these charts removing suspects with few associations is a premier goal that I make explicit.
