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tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 pm im too ashamed to play again on thesyndicate, im not stable enough for mafia and not smart enough too. im sorry for wasting everyones time and robbing multiple ppls chances of having fun. i feel frightened at the thought of leaving another community yet again like ive done so much times already bcuz i know self-isolation can be harmful but my sense of justice tells me this is right. i cant help but feel id just be a bother for everyone and id rather not be a bother. sorry

Oh please, I've embarrassed myself ten times worse more than once. Ask anyone.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:29 pmSo our initial plan after KZA went MIA was for me to bus KZA, radishes to have a terrible reaction (the first two parts weren’t actually explicitly planned, just myself and radishes playing off each other), then bob would shoot radishes the next day to exit the POE. Overnight bob said he’d have to replace out, so the plan changed to radishes shooting bob to exit the POE (this was our first mistake btw, I should’ve guessed there would be town KP based on the day vig ability and having a block/JK). Then radishes got vigged and bob got red checked, so that left me to shoot bob and try to carry from there.

But that seriously sounds like a Heath Ledger Joker kind of plan.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:38 pm I mean

I had a good role, sure, but I also had my whole team murdered over a 25 hour span and our entire plan disappear in smoke...not to mention a fuck ton of townies who were being super townie. I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say I had it easy or that I coasted or whatever, FMPOV this was a fairly hard game that I was very close to losing at a bunch of points

Whoa whoa whoa, flag on the play! You don't get to complain that your teammates died when you killed two of them. Also, you didn't have a good role, you had three and a half good roles.

That said, you played amazingly as always, I don't think you are ever easy to pick out as scum.

By the way, what roles did all those dead guys have? Also who was radishes trying to kill on night one?

What is anni?

Would be interesting to see a less capable player take on the ultimate role. Too easy for someone of Nanook's caliber though.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:55 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:19 pm From my point of view, you had pretty much the best role I've ever seen, and we're lock town for the whole game. How could you lose?
i mean, he was also lock town because he played really well, not just because of his role. the role helped but that wasn’t all of it!

Really hard to suspect the guy who publicly daykilled a wolf. Some interesting stuff on Day 1 though, that's for sure.

From my point of view, you had pretty much the best role I've ever seen, and we're lock town for the whole game. How could you lose?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:27 am Hey why did the game end?
Mafia win condition was to reach parity with the town—meaning you didn’t count for parity purposes, so the game was over when f3 was reached with you alive.

I guess my vote counts for nothing. Easiest win you've ever had?

That doesn't answer my question, Mr Kek.

Hey why did the game end?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:02 pm LC if u vote Amy rn im giving u a Scooby Snacks and a belly rub!

Whoooos a good boy, whoooooos a good boy?

Meeeeeee! [VOTE: Amy] aubergine

I really just think Amy's the last wolf.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:48 am wait for everyone to come back though before voting actually

Convince me to unvote, if that's what should happen.

If playing nice and waiting means I leave for an hour and come back to a hammer vote and I missed it, I'm going to be really upset.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:45 am stop talking about modkilling yourself what are you doing

Jesus, I'm talking about an alternate timeline where I thought about bluffing at attempting a modkill suicide. I think we're conversationally safe here.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:46 am also you can vote whenever. you aren’t town so it’s irrelevant where you vote

I said I'm townsiding. This is me trying to townside, I'll wait for more opinions.

Also I should add that I won't be removed from play if I am involved with a Mafia chop. I still have to survive, my vote would still be there if we get down to 1v1v1. I'm hoping it's just Amy. That's what I believe right now.

Can I vote her yet?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 am what

how would getting yourself modkilled help you

actually don’t answer that

we cannot discuss this

If I were dead anyway by yeet, then dead is dead and there's no helping me. I would much rather take myself out of the equation by my own hand in order to shove your faces into your own cowardice, and make you choose a wolf to chop.

And anyway, it wasn't supposed to end with my modkill, it was supposed to end with you guys realizing that trying to chop me wouldn't help you, and putting back on the big boy pants and trying to yeet Mafia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:07 am
Amy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:02 am I absolutely would have tried to kill you N1 as a wolf
I know that's what you tried to do. Benson saved me N1.

Again, that's not accurate. I survived the N1 kill, not you.

Amy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:19 am hally nanook hard deconfirmed

leaves:
tutuu/nanook
tutuu/lc
hally/lc

we learn more when lc shows i guess

The education is thus: I'm still 3p, still townsiding.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:11 am i’m going to be frank and say i am heavily leaning towards voting amy

the alternative is that i entertain worlds in which either
- tutuu has fake claimed cop, outed a partner D2 after two of her teammates have already been killed and been blindingly villagery the whole game even independent of her claim
- nanook is a wolf dayvig who used his kill on outed mafia after two teammates already died (both of whom he pushed for hard) instead of dayviging the claimed cop or the claimed redirector or anyone else
- lc is a wolf who set up this fake 3P claim from the very beginning of the game and snap fake claimed that he ate the N1 kill before i ever said anything

i don’t think i can realistically entertain these words enough to bet the game on them

the simplest world by far is that amy is the last wolf and lc is 3P as he claims (or mafia with amy)

if this isn’t the case, it means either nanook just murdered his whole team with his bare hands as quickly as possible (which i don’t believe) or tutuu outed a third teammate after two already died when she totally didn’t need to (which i also don’t believe)

if we had actually been able to yeet lc last day like i wanted and iaafr had not gotten himself modkilled, we would actually have the numbers right now for me to feel confident just voting amy. it would be 4 town and 1 wolf instead of 3 town, 1 wolf, and 1 unknown. it’s extremely unfortunate we are in this position and it was entirely avoidable

My plan, until rabbit imploded, was going to be getting myself modkilled, while presenting the reality that you'd still have to yeet someone after I was gone, all to ease you into the idea that a No Lynch was a better idea than yeeting a 3p Friendly like me. That would have been a better solution than me dead, which helps nothing.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:23 am i won’t be voting any time soon

i’d like lc to check in and confirm i’m not w/w with him

then the only worlds will be
1) amy solo wolf, lc 3P
2) amy wolf, lc wolf
3) tutuu wolf, nanook wolf, lc 3P
4) tutuu wolf, lc wolf

lc checking in and no hammer should confirm a wolf within amy/tutuu, correct?

Just please don't hammer without me!

Hi dudes!

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:25 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:16 pm *30% chance to hit if she targets a villager
Plus, "the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf"... isn't there a 30% chance that this is not a fact?
no

read the thread and town case radishes

show everyone why he was a villager. if he was in fact a villager, it should be easy to convince people of that using his posts that exist in the game

if you can do that, you can push me as a wolf. until that happens, you have zero reason not to accept that we live in a wolf!radishes world

i’m tired of this bs where we pretend nothing in the thread exists except claims and things that are readily apparent somehow aren’t

it is readily apparent that radishes was a wolf

Sorry, that's really not my thing. I believe in the infinite capacity to deceive. I believe a wolf can be the towniest-looking player in the game, and vice-versa, because I've seen it happen so many times.

But my opinion means little to you, and that's fine. You don't have to prove yourself to me. I just have an issue with someone saying that something is "locked" or "100%" when some skilled and planned deception could be involved.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:23 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:16 pm i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf
I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?
read my interactions with radishes in the thread on D1

look at how hard i pushed him and he pushed me

then come back and tell me we can be w/w. you can’t

I've bussed a teammate hard that early. It's a great strategy.

I'm not leading the charge against you, Hally, but that kind of appeal does little for me. Anyone can say anything and do anything in the thread.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:22 pm If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek
Why? You've been considered cleared since you killed bob, haven't you?
Why would you not?? I’d always have a partner faking a cop claim “check” me, why wouldn’t you

... because you cleared yourself. No one has asked for a Nanook check, it hasn't even been brought up. Would it make sense for town-tutuu to check town-Nanook after that? Who would support that on a cleared Nanook?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:16 pm *30% chance to hit if she targets a villager

Plus, "the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf"... isn't there a 30% chance that this is not a fact?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:22 pm If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek

Why? You've been considered cleared since you killed bob, haven't you?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:16 pm i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:57 pm Sorry, solo mafia godfather roleblocker with a silent day shot I didn’t use on the claimed cop

Solo wolf makes no sense, but if you were m/m with tutuu then she's not really a cop. That was one of Amy's worlds, and I don't know if sarcasm defeats that idea.

We need tutuu's info before continuing.

I do want to put that mafia daykill in my next game as a claim deterrent now.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm The shot was silent, no reason not to kill me, the cop.

LC please don't go there. Tensions between you and Nanook are already high. And both of you are my teammates and I need to work with you. Please

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm i have effectively a greenpeek on nanook, in that he claimed italy as his country and i have a result confirming that he shares either country or school with me (i'm italian/classical)

26/30 i counted my posts

idk when the cap's lifting because idk when day ends lol

Both good points, thanks guys.

The only mech claim that Nanook has is that he daykilled bob, right?

I just want to be the one to say, why couldn't the wolf team have one daykill to use? Bob was redchecked - that's an opportunity.

I really thought the night actions would be all in by now and we'd have a nice, tight 9pm changeover. I'm fine with that plan tutuu, but I don't know how long we have until the deadline, and it might be late to be changing things.

Targeting me has an 80% chance of failing.

Hally, what's your best theory as to why tutuu couldn't role check you last night? Sorry if you've already said

Halle, what if the scum decide not to kill? Do we Yeet Amy then?

I would much, much rather look at Nanook at the end of the game and say, "Well, well, well, looks like it was good to trust me, and we both won, just like I fucking said." than to say, "Ho ho ho, you were right all along, never trust long con!"

Believe it.

Also, when I asked my math question, I didn't realize that the rabbit mod kill had ended the day, I thought we were still a few hours from Lynch. Silly LC.

If the opportunity came up for me to knowingly win with the mafia, I don't see any incentive to take it. I've enjoyed being on this wild ride with the town, and frankly if Hally is Mafia then they probably tried to kill me night one, so no love lost there.

First of all, you don't need to suck up to me or anything, I intend to Lynch Mafia as I always have. I agree that lynching me is what the mafia want.

You said that I implied that I could win with the mafia. That isn't quite accurate. If I don't win by lynching one more Mafia, I don't know what happens next. I think there will be some change. Maybe I'll become a serial killer. I really don't know, and I really don't think we need to find out.

Second of all, just a small thing, but the world you presented where you survive a night kill on night one requires an extra kill, because I sure as hell did take one in the vest. Count on it.

Third, did the mathematics change when rabbit died, and now lynching a third-party player isn't the best way to go? That would be really cool.

If you all are looking for a safe lynch and you're too scared to pull the trigger on a possible wolf, then why not just vote No Lynch and keep me around for voting power?

It's pretty clear that the vibe around me is that you believe my claim, and lynching me is seen as a way to *not* kill a villager.

If I were daykilled right now, would you vote No Lynch or would you lynch someone?

If that's your POE, then it'e either Amy is the last wolf, or it's both of them. If Hally is a wolf, then Radishes is not a wolf, then Amy is a wolf. Barring Godfather-style false clears.

In both those worlds, Amy is a wolf. The game is SO mechanically narrowed down, this isn't the time to be lynching a neutral, Town-friendly role. Come on, rabbit, let's lynch a wolf instead! I'm on your side, I want to lynch wolves, I need to lynch wolves, I am not a threat or a win con necessity for you!!

I gathered together my evidence of true roleclaim.

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:35 pmToday, I'll probably end up sheeping whoever I trust the most. I am currently town, and my role will develop less than privately if I survive. I would like to survive.

Some clear inferences can be made, plus you ever read that thing about how people sometimes use a word twice when it's important? Day 0 post. It's been true from the start.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:13 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:11 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:11 pm I used my 1 shot doc on tutuu if we're all claiming everything

Hoping he was the MK?
No, I was.
wdym?
I mean they broke my vest.

This was an important post.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:07 am One thing I do like about nutella's claim is that it has an 80% in it. My role also has that percentage involved, so that helps me believe her.

Still true, although now it's verified by a tutuu green check.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:45 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:41 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:16 pm hard claim town redirector

i redirected radishes to long con last night. radishes was mafia and i jacked his kill

GOTTEM
O my god if this and the other stuff is all true...!!
gonna make a scummy request, but while I am catching up, can you let me know what you did last night and who you targetted?
I targetted nobody; I don't have that kind of role. You will come across summaries of the powers as you catch up, there are several.

Lack of me targeting anyone has been checked by two trackers, if I'm not mistaken. I like this as evidence that I'm not the proposed role blocker that really needs to die.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:09 pm There's more, but it's passive.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:26 pm I have to be part of this vote. [VOTE: proto] aubergine

Proto looked like he was about to get hammered, and I couldn't afford to sit out if he was the last of four scum, because it would lose me the game. That's the only "non-town" behaviour that you have to worry about, and I am perfectly willing to work with the town on this kind of thing. Like, no hammering unless everyone is ready, and you just let me get my vote in. If there's a conflict of interest there, it's razor-thin and I can hardly see it even when I squint.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:16 am [VOTE: Benson] aubergine and I guess that's a hammer. Your wish has been granted, kind beluga. I enjoyed playing with you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:52 am I had to hammer. I would have left it, but I had to do it. I can't really discuss why.

I am not Greek. I am not classical or classicism.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:58 pm Is it hammered?? [VOTE: proto] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:02 pmNooooooooo

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:05 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:02 pm LC are u gonna die for missing that hammer lol
maybe

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:06 pmor worse

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:13 pm I haven't read the last three pages.

Hey guys, if you don't mind, please don't hammer again without me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:16 pm I don't think proto is the last wolf. Is he the last wolf? His posts are awesomely towny if he's a wolf.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:36 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:24 pm i think protos town flip was pretty villagery of him ngl
wait he flipped??? Oh I'm a fool

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:37 pm I am the best derpclear guy in town, and I accept all challengers

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:12 pm i redirected amy to long con

she cannot be the last wolf remaining
Solid plan. Keep tossing them my way, I can take it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:25 pm What if I'm just not town?

Isn't the best evidence against Hally that tutuu's check failed on her? How does that happen? One idea is a roleblocker, but really, what evidence have we seen before tonight that there's a roleblocker in play? I was thinking that a Hally-Amy team would work with Hally as redirecter and Amy as roleblocker, but I feel like we would have seen some evidence of blocked roles?

So how did tutuu's check get blocked? Hally could just be Ascetic.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:28 amare you asking me to not give you the respect that you couldve come up with and roleplayed a town->3p role after seeing a scum role + the rules? are you saying youd never actually come up with that as a fakeclaim as scum, in a game where scum pretty much need to come up with ostensibly nonscum versions of their roles?

I think a planned roleplay would have played out much more smoothly, and the way things did play out objectively point to it being real, and not contrived.

I am fine with an Amy lynch, I did say when I followed tutuu's vote that I was surprised she thought Hally was the better choice.

Fair enough, tutuu's case was pretty impassioned, and the level that I feel she is convinced does affect my opinion. She used up all her posts for it, which incidentally, is pretty townish - like, a scum would maybe hold back more just in case, to adapt to the thread,

I don't have any proof of non-alliance with Amy specifically. I think the strength of my claim lies in the history of my game. I feel that an objective look at my progression, both what I said intentionally and things I did reactively - plus what is and isn't in the Rules - should lead you to being comfortable trusting that I'm not mafia.

Actually cancel that last post, I'd most likely just block Hally's power.

Not to mention, I am useful. You don't want to yeet Hally? Well then she's a redirector, since you trust her so much, get her to redirect your least trusted person on to me. I'll absorb that night kill like it ain't no thang.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:12 pm I honestly don't know if I can or not, and what if I could? I'm still, like I have been all game, Town siding. I revealed all the information I could about my role in order to help the town make decisions.
idk man I isoed you and you aren't especially townsidey

side by side with Hally for amount of effort spent solving, sorting, defending townreads, etc and it's 0 contest

Pretty NAI for me if you know me, I'm not he most energetic player.

Doesn't change the fact that yeeting me in order to get more info that is, in part, coming to you from scum AND YOU KNOW THIS. And then base your game off the tainted info as you've likely been doing all along.

That is an obvious losing strategy. What my claim does is narrow down the POE. Why are you so reluctant to pull the trigger?

I don't have anything to say beyond what tutuu's posts have already made very clear. I can't recall if anyone else read them at this point. We need to lynch in Hally and/or Amy, and tutuu made it clear what logic is being used to come to that conclusion.

I honestly don't know if I can or not, and what if I could? I'm still, like I have been all game, Town siding. I revealed all the information I could about my role in order to help the town make decisions.

I'm sorry, I'm just flabbergasted at your point of view here, I'm asking you to win together and you're telling me you'd rather lose together, that's what I'm seeing and I don't get it.

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