The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:05 am I’m with Doc Wilgy today. Brings back memories of Mass Effect.

First game I ever played with Nutella.

Really fun game.

Nah? We were at least both in Phenon which was before that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:50 pm It's too late now but MP voted me after Radishes was shot.

Linki: Juliets has the same marvelous tone regardless of alignment. She's somewhat leadable as a townie so when people accuse her of being "not impactful" it doesn't necessarily make her scum. She's really hard to read imo. Like I caught her one game and then turned around and let her pocket me the next.

Oh right MP missed the whole thing about your role and MR's. I guess that works.

Fuck, sorry MP.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:47 pm I feel like I’m wasting a resource but idk what else to ask. Do I just have blinders on with juliets, is her wolf game really that good?

Only thing that’s vaguely pinged me with her is the overexplanation for a self prez vote

I really think you do and it is.

Man what if Nanook and Hyena are scum together though. That could potentially explain the D1 fuckery, maybe?? If I was right about them originally before I changed my mind on both due to the MR flip Imma be mad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:46 pm I'm an idiot. MP had a better derpclear than Wilgy.

Hmm?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:43 pm God, I hope I'm right on Nutella cause I think I screwed up on MP.

I think this is a double town death day.

I just hope the real wolves aren't too deep and yall can pull out a win. Wish I didn't have to be a sacrifice but so it goes.

Well, I guess I'm sunk unless someone has a last minute change of heart. I'm disappointed but I hope you guys can use my flip to help solve the game. If I'm wrong about juliets, I would look at speed, hyena, maybe tony or nanook. But I still recommend juliets first.

And Jack, you never get to claim you know my meta ever again

I'm honestly flattered that you thought this could have been my scum game, but it's simply not true.

Three of you are still off the two main wagons. Pick juliets pretty please?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm Maybe Hyena is scum.
Got to reconcile him campaigning for lynching his teammate D1, enough that he blackmailed nanook into voting for MR at one point.

Not to mention the other reasons I townread him, for the same reasons I townread 112.

I mean, MR didn't end up dying. Maybe it was calculated to the point where he realized Nanook would have to move to sig. But I guess that would require ascribing some of Hyena's agency to me and MP creating the tie. Hmm

I mean I guess he could be bad with MP there?

I feel like a fool if that's the case.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm Maybe Hyena is scum.

Shit maybe. I think I gave him far too much of a pass from the MR stuff, he was my top suspect before it.

Yeah no that still really doesn't feel right. Lol. I'm probably just right about juliets.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:20 pm In GOC this year I had a fit because G-Man didn't defend at all from a lynch and even voted for himself. I didn't think it was a fair thing to do to his teammates of which I was one.

In the situation I found myself in now I think there's a good chance nutella is civ and if she is, she is honestly a better player and would serve the civ team better than I could so I considered just voting for someone off wagon. However, though I think she might be civ I'm 100% sure I'm civ and my belief is I'm obligated to vote for her to try and save myself. There are others here who can make the final decision. I did the best I could.

a ton of linki.
Ugh I'm so stressed now

inb4 me juliets and MP are all town and scum is laughing at all of us
If all three of your are town, who is scum?

Idk like speed and tony?

MP talk to me about speed. I know I asked about your vote switch to him earlier but I want an updated take. Do you think he should be a wagon here?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 pm From a scum perspective you usually want to be in communication with your mates if you're going to bus them. Usually. Wilgy was, if scum, setting up a bus without talking to his teammates about who died. I actually feel pretty good not lynching there.

No, I think the argument would be that he knew MR died and was faking not knowing and making up an organic looking scumread of him to look good. But that seems extremely far fetched imo.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:20 pm In GOC this year I had a fit because G-Man didn't defend at all from a lynch and even voted for himself. I didn't think it was a fair thing to do to his teammates of which I was one.

In the situation I found myself in now I think there's a good chance nutella is civ and if she is, she is honestly a better player and would serve the civ team better than I could so I considered just voting for someone off wagon. However, though I think she might be civ I'm 100% sure I'm civ and my belief is I'm obligated to vote for her to try and save myself. There are others here who can make the final decision. I did the best I could.

a ton of linki.

Ugh I'm so stressed now

inb4 me juliets and MP are all town and scum is laughing at all of us

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:14 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:12 pm Holy shit, I'm so sorry for not being here, I can actually talk about it now I assume... I literally just lost an F5 by voting another townie in a game where I had over 1,000 posts and tons of angst, so I feel really bad for not doing my best here -- I had no idea these games were going to cross and I had hoped (as it was futile) that I was going to get NKed earlier.
Talk to us about Juliets and Sloonei and Wilgy.

And Nutella since you said "fair enough" to my reasoning for scumreading her but also locked her as town.
My reads are pretty... cloudy here, but I don't really town read any of those players. Are Sloonei and Wilgy still dead spots?

Wilgy came in with a big partial/outdated catch up post in which he scumread MR without having seen that he'd been vigged and flipped scum. Most of us figured that meant he was town, that it was pretty unlikely he was faking not knowing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:16 pm Okay so I should have held off on forcing a specific secret vote for another 20 minutes or so. If MP is town, I'm really really sorry.

Yeah I'm feeling bad about this now.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:12 pm Holy shit, I'm so sorry for not being here, I can actually talk about it now I assume... I literally just lost an F5 by voting another townie in a game where I had over 1,000 posts and tons of angst, so I feel really bad for not doing my best here -- I had no idea these games were going to cross and I had hoped (as it was futile) that I was going to get NKed earlier.

Ooof, that sucks.

45 minutes. Feels kind of quiet here, more people should come hang out for EOD. And vote juliets

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:44 pm Are we still sure we are voting MP by secret vote?

I think ~3 of us already did so should probably stick with it at this point, unless enough people create a large enough consensus somewhere else

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:32 pm I feel kind of dirty about this with how much I was townreading him earlier. But I've gone back and forth on him so dramatically a couple times this game, so I guess there may be something there.
Is it odd that you going back and forth on me is actually a town-tell I have for you?

Sorry for unclear but that post was about MP lol. Slightly true about you but to a much lesser extent, I only started doubting my townread of you today

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:30 pm MP's not even here sigh

I hope he shows up for the last hour and joins me on juliets lol, if he stays on speed that would be p spicy imo... hmm
If you somehow cause a wagon on Speed to gain traction, I will move my vote to you, Nute. Don't even think about it, lol.

I mean if MP stays on speed I'm more likely to think he's juliets' teammate. Though I guess in that case if he pays attention he'll just vote for me, lol.

I feel kind of dirty about this with how much I was townreading him earlier. But I've gone back and forth on him so dramatically a couple times this game, so I guess there may be something there.

Sent in MP vote.

MP's not even here sigh

I hope he shows up for the last hour and joins me on juliets lol, if he stays on speed that would be p spicy imo... hmm

My brain was like "speed's probably not teamed with MP at least because of MP being oddly easily convinced to vote for speed by nanook" but then I was like "but what if....."

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:24 pm Honestly juliets so openly townreading me does actually give me some pause.

Maybe speed should be one of the competing wagons too goddammit.
why?

Idk

Honestly juliets so openly townreading me does actually give me some pause.

Maybe speed should be one of the competing wagons too goddammit.

Cool. Private votes for MP then.

If Jack really did already send a vote for MP, I support MP being the secret vote and for the public poll forming competing wagons on juliets and myself.

I would be satisfied with juliets and MP being the two (if we choose not to go for sloonei)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:08 pm Nutella’s vote may have said nanook, but it was functionally for Sig

I would have slightly preferred you got lynched over sig at the time. I wasn't really thinking or processing enough to realize that sig was going to be in the lead anyway. I just voted for the one of the three that I had the least townread of at the time

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:06 pm A last minute vote to cause a 4 way tie while I’m online was functionally a vote for Sig.

I don't think I fully processed at the time that you would move your vote to self-pres / I wasn't paying attention to where your vote was and that it would break the tie. It all happened really fast and I thought someone else like Hyena would be the deciding vote after MP and I made the tie.

I do actually think a juliets-MP world is plausible. MP appeared willing to tag along with me on juliets, but somehow Nanook's desire to lynch Speed convinced him to move his vote to Speed and he really had no explanation why.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:04 pm Who did nutella vote for again? Sig or me?

I voted for you.

Jack, why am I not included in the trust fall? And why are you basically assuming I am scum as part of your reasons for reading other players? You're really being uncharitable and closed-minded about this imo.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:01 pm I’m still on board the sloonei train. I am pretty confident that sloonei replaces out or stays in based entirely on whether they have time to play, not dependent on their alignment.

Basically we have to resolve that slot now or treat it as confirmed town. I have enough TRs that I’d rather resolve it.

Yeah, I feel this.

Also I'm less worried about that since there are presumably only two mafia left, but still best to decrease our chances of hitting town however much we can

I am still okay with going for Sloonei with the secret vote even if doesn't feel as ideal as it did before. Probably still the optimal choice

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm Alright, we're about an hour out from end of day and I still need to submit a secret vote. Are we still agreeing to someone for that, or are we all doing our own thing?

Close to two hours actually.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:32 pm hyena you butt, you ruined it

It's ok I responded before I saw his post anyway :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?
I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?
Actually, I don't know why it couldn't be. Radish was on an off wagon. Radish was the leading wagon. If there are three mafia, both other mafia might have been forced to go for Sig knowing Nanook would self-prez. Thus, maybe it's more likely than I think.

Yeah. I think it makes sense.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?
I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?
If it is, and the MR wagon is also pure, then EVERY SINGLE ACTIVE SCUM (minus MR) jumped on sig. Do you think that likely? (I've actually realized a possible answer but want to see your response)

I mean if we're assuming a scum team of 3 that's only 2 people, or 1 if 1 is inactive. Why is that so outlandish?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??

Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

and this one too [mention]speedchuck[/mention], the fact that he was the one who brought up this point makes me think his perspective on this was pure. I think the later statement I quoted above really sealed it for me though. Thinking about it again and now knowing MR's mafia role, I suppose he could have been coming from the perspective of knowing that the scum roles were not necessarily really "bad" and figured there might be town roles that aren't totally "good" and did this in hopes of getting some credit, but that seems far fetched even for LC imo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm I looked into LC earlier -- I was also thinking that his MR interactions didn't look great, but then I saw that one post of his during the flavor-alignment discussion that I just could never see coming from non-town. Maybe I shouldn't put as much stock in that as I am though.
Please requote it. I have the memory of a koala.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side
I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.
My own role is one that I would immediately assume is an evil role, but I'm a civilian. That's why I thought that the teams are probably divided among infected and uninfected, or something.

I looked into LC earlier -- I was also thinking that his MR interactions didn't look great, but then I saw that one post of his during the flavor-alignment discussion that I just could never see coming from non-town. Maybe I shouldn't put as much stock in that as I am though.

Actually though it's weird he never even mentioned you this phase as far as I can see, let alone called why he was voting for you. That's odd. [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] when and why did you vote for Nanook? I see suspicions of some other people in your D2 iso and no mentions of Nanook or why you decided to vote him.

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