The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:56 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:35 am GG everyone

2 out of 3 is awesome @☆Princess Abigail☆

Sorry @Epignosis

You are dead to me @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Fun game @Justplayingitcool

Love you too

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:20 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:02 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ why don't you think it is Nook?

I mean I can't say much cause it's mostly a vibe thing based on how nothing they've done since I've subbed into this game feels agendad or wolfy it all feels disinterested and lost in a towny way.

Nook feels exactly like Wilgy did to me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:15 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:59 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME where are ya voting pal?

I honestly have no idea

I badly need to reread things or at least do a decent vca

I will do my best to do it today (rl roday), I am so tired

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:47 pm UwU

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:47 pm And I'm sorry that I have not been very active here and that I understand that might negatively influence whether civilians win.

@Roxy Did you say why you were voting Delta? If so, I missed it.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:32 pm And no I have no intention of playing antagonist at all, that's not how I play. I'm too squishy for anything like that ;_;

I will try to step up & be a little louder though because I definitely got complacent yesterday

thank you for not becoming leetic they are their own player and and deserve to have their own style even if it rubs me wrong. I just didn't like their use of adjectives and verbs to describe people as it was very very off putting to me.

Yes I mentioned some of your posts felt townie but then other times you get so flip floppy and able to just let your vote hop everywhere else until it becomes apparent where the actual vote is going if that makes sense. (it does in my head) I can try and reexplain it if needs be.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:19 am

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:45 am

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

I'll get back to you on this in a bit \o/ I havent forgotten

you keep asking for people to engage and pyx has tried but you resisted thus far - is there a reason for it?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:38 pm Delta - I really really dislike your voting and it's patterns. I could see you as bad bc I have had this gut feeling since D 1 about you.

If I cannot vote PA I will vote you.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:45 am Also I want my apology from Roxy cause I was right on pyxxy

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm *shrugs*

Pyxxy Delta...I don't think that works

Imma vote pyxxy and if that flips wolf assume Delta is just green and somehow day 1 wagon was just clean

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:39 pm nook - gtfo here and help or don't if you are town right about now would be the time for you to shine otherwise yeah ----

I do NOT like you quietness as it *is* overly quiet.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:41 pm Vote Nook

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:01 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:56 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:45 am If I believe Thunal was killed for a reason, that Thunal would do a better job directing town than Abi (and to a lesser degree, SVS and Delta), then I believe in that legacy. I specifically don’t look at Pyxxy. If it were Pyxxy/Roxy, I think Abby dies over Thunal. That’s my starting point.

I disagree with locking onto thunal reads. You believe her legacy then why not vote yourself.

Everyone's reads are valid

Make your own poe and we can find common ground as a town And go from there.

I looked into myself per Thunal’s legacy and found myself to be town. But sure.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:54 am Stuck like in a “I have to believe this” kinda way or in a “I don’t know if I should believe this but I keep thinking it” kinda way?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:45 am If I believe Thunal was killed for a reason, that Thunal would do a better job directing town than Abi (and to a lesser degree, SVS and Delta), then I believe in that legacy. I specifically don’t look at Pyxxy. If it were Pyxxy/Roxy, I think Abby dies over Thunal. That’s my starting point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:41 am Super frustrating. Once again gonna have to do all the work myself in a team game and ppl will be like “Jack’s recent posts have been really townie” and we’ll yeet whoever I say to yeet and if I’m right, tomorrow it will be a bus and if I’m wrong, tomorrow it will be because I’m a wolf and wanted to yeet a townie and we can do it all over again.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:11 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:31 am @☆Princess Abigail☆ roxy wasn't kidding tagging you is a pain

setting aside our.....differences

why is roxy a wolf?

Reasons I am not willing to expand upon so let's say vibes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:09 pm The issue I have with Roxy trying to open up the POE is not just that she's trying to open up the POE in and of itself. I understand that town Roxy only has to disagree with one of Wilgy or Nanook being scum to think the POE is wrong.

It's also the way she's going about it.

And I admit this is totally unfair pushing someone in the hospital on medication but here we go.

viewtopic.php?p=1078615#p1078615

This feels limp. Telling me that I know I'm scum is a null statement. Roxy's mirroring someone else's words on Delta flip flopping. It doesn't feel like real hunting to me. It feels like desperate clawing.

viewtopic.php?p=1078605#p1078605

This also feels limp. "I should have voted you" "You haven't proven to me you are town" etc.

It doesn't feel like t!Roxying thinking she's got a wolf in her sights. It feels like desperately trying to open the POE to include townies because wolves are in a box.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:24 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:40 am @Epignosis - hi buddy. I know you have a sus on me and tbf I have a zero read on you mostly bc I have been wrong every time. So yah no read but I do notice you are posting slightly more than normal but that's it I got nothing from them. I neither find you town nor bad. NULL.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:42 am @DrWilgy I read you as town it is what it is. You are playing your own way, no gimmicks but still....feels very townie.

I could see roxy opening up Epi here. You are spot on about the Wilgy resistance, but also with so many shared poes having Wilgy, it's not roxy holding out is a real trendsetter.

re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

your priorities are yours to decide but uh don't skimp on pain meds my friend o7

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:32 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

I think at least the maf have no control of the thread. Games where the maf can control the thread feel different from this. Delta and I are basically allowed to control the thread without a lot of challenge to that, and leetic was when they were alive. I'd expect more pushback if there were high posting mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am “Using”?

Yikes.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:34 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:15 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:42 pm I want the solve to be "It's Wilgy because his play yesterday wrt my slot and Leetic's was bad and it's Roxy because she is trying to open up the POE by pushing Delta and myself (and Abby? maybe not) and it's not Nanook because he's relatively comfortable with the gamestate compared to the other two players in the POE and it's not anybody else because you are very smart, Jack, and you correctly townread everyone else for smart boy reasons."

Can you talk to me about these reasons? Even if it's just a brief thing for everyone, I'm at a somewhat similar point to what you are myself so I just want a sanity check if anything & a second voice to see where our thoughts differ \o/

Almost forgot to respond to this.

Abby - Town for the red peek thing that ultimately resulted in Long Con's death. Just generally you don't see wolves do crazy fancy pants plays to get their teammate killed. I disagree with Abby's worldview today but she's town.

Thunal - Early LC detractor. Her solving around my slot feels very honest. (I'm biased, here.) Went out of her way to get me to see SVS as town, ensuring LC was yeeted. Generally agree with most everything she's said, some before she says them and some by being convinced. Surely town.

SVS - This post is particularly townie https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1078007 but she's also just got some town mindset interactions with Leetic and Abby. She's tunneled on me but her push on me doesn't feel agenday. If Roxy is a wolf (likely through POE alone), Roxy and LC both voting SVS is a super good look.

Pyxxy - LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird. The case was actually bad, though. It made sense in a vacuum but after thinking about it for two seconds, it was just bad. Wolves don't tend to make up bad arguments against teammates. They just use real ones. In general, Pyxxy's solving around Abby has felt honest if misguided. I don't detect anything else that could even be construed as a wolf attempting to open the POE. Like he's flat defending me. Town.

Delta - You've seemed honest throughout the game. Your tone and mindset just look incredibly townie. You bounce votes and are sometimes like "wait no that's not where I should be voting actually" and it feels like an actual change in opinion, not some wolfy gear shifting. Being shaded by Roxy is a potential good look.

Epi - This is hard to explain. Sometimes both alignments Epi feels like he's treading water. This tends to be because of real life stuff so sometimes, I get suspicious of town Epi. I can't always read him. However, there's a thing he only does as town and that's when he looks like he's hunting for wolves. It's not about activity level or antagonism but a hunting attitude. You can see it in his posts about Long Con this morning like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1078548. There's a bit of it D1 as well like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1077815 where it feels like his investment is from a town mindset. And this post here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 2#p1078262 reads as an honest town though. It's not impossible for Epi to be a wolf but I'd be super surprised if he was.

Jack - Shoes of a townie. YEAH!

So that's where I get to my pretty confident 3 player POE of Wilgy, Roxy and Nanook.

From there, Wilgy's play yesterday was pretty gross. His continuing to push me reads as a wolf who doesn't know what to do so is just hammering on the same points. Roxy looks like she's attempting to open the POE with dishonest pushes. Nanook is just like weeee whatever. So of my 3 player POE, I think 2 of them are doing scummy things and one is like existing.

That particularly towny post is also spectacularly wrong and kinda embarrassing. And yeah, bad SVS tries not to say pedantic lecturey things like that when she knows its wrong.

Roxy was in the hospital and she voted me becasue she knew I could deal with that. I 100000% think she would not do that if she were bad (I originally wrote "do that bad", I have to get that wording out of my head), use our irl friendship as a chip or ploy in a game. Nuh uh.

For reasons as stated in my last post, I also think Wilgy is not bad. I can't ever read nanook, he always comes across as kind and vaguely disinterested regardless of alignment, so I'll sheep Abigail on this.

And yeah, I guess i am tunnelling you. But lots of tunnels have a baddie at the end, and tunnelling by itself is not automatically wrong.

Also re pyxxys day one vote, if I don't want to end up on the townie, I vote a teammate when it's feasible to do so. Makes for excellent distancing on Day 3 when someone says, "LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird". Pyxxy isn't on my active radar, but that's a naive reason to exclude someone from suspish imo, kinda wifomy.

@Roxy can you confirm that your SVS vote was using your irl friendship? What did you mean by saying she'd know what you meant?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:44 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Yeah I have noticed that a few of us have near identical POEs, do you think that's more town driven or wolf driven?

If you're town, do you think there's wolves encouraging a POE of lowposters here?

I am slightly worried theres like 3-4 of us w identical POEs but also I dont know where I'm wrong if my reads are so ;_; it's odd

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:45 am

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

I'll get back to you on this in a bit \o/ I havent forgotten