The Syndicate

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:03 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:25 pm Woah wait that argument between seanzie and epi was theater?? Yah no this game was lost then if I made it to like f3

In wolfchat

"Hey Epi, I'mma do the thing that wolves do to townies and go at you hard, and when you push back I'm going to back off like I'm trying to pocket you... only I'm going to do it to you, not a townie" (paraphrased, but the jist was said)

Man I never want to play against wolf you again

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:40 am For me, I know it's town Roxy when she comes in with a big reads list and rains her honesty down on us. Haven't seen this yet, so until it happens, I'm not sure. As for Splints, it's super hard for me to tell her bad from her good game. She a reluctant baddie I know, but she also is quiet when town, so looking for some insight there.

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Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:19 am @Dennis - pal you really are getting the hang of this game and yep I feel like you are honestly trying to hunt baddies this time. Right now I am giving you the botd and see how it goes. I am unable to classify you at this time.

@DrWilgy - you are feeling less involved this game, doesn't affect your alignment tho I feel like I am having a hard time gauging your reads. Some feel a bit forced but I am unsure what or if that means anything. I am feeling townish from you but Imma need more from you, pretty please.

@Epignosis - Hi buddy <3 been sooo long since we have played together. So has you style changed? That remains to be seen. What I have noticed is that you are QUIET. Not at all like I remember. You have given a couple of insights but tbh I am really unsure of who you suspect or why. Can you help out the town by giving a rainbow or reads list?

@falcon45ca - hey I hope my read on your tell is accurate bc right now it is saying you are town. Thanks for this as I am unsure about a number of people this game.

@fingersplints - yes I lean town on you. It's the splints I know and love. I am so happy to playing together again. <3 What are your thoughts inre: Neon, Dennis, Epi, Mata, Six and Seanzie?

@Lemonfairy - I have already said you came out of the SVS vs the "Um What" fiasco looking the best to me. You felt Town to me. I am digging the way you seem to be vibing this game. Why do you think Syn seems townie vs why Epi seems bad? Why are Mata and Six in your list? Is it bc they have not said much or is it what they have said?

@Matahari - Yay!! We are playing together again. I am looking forward to your reads and am hoping to sort you after it.

@Neon - you bad. You seem to be playing in the same fashion as last game and I cannot let it go rn. After the "um what" crazy that you helped perpetuate you seemed like a player who was mad bc no one wanted to buy what you were selling about SVS. You are not adding anything new to the game and will not give reasons for your actual votes/suspicions and I find that suspicious in and of itself.

@Seanzie - You seem quite fluffy except in your defense of falcon. What are your actual thoughts on the game state. GTH reads if you would pretty please.

@SixStrings - welcome back. You gave some insight about SVS during the whole "um what" discussion while awesome to join in I feel you need to say way more than what you have. You do not know any of us but still like I asked Seanzie - if someone is holding a gun to your head what are your reads at this moment of each player?

@S~V~S - at the time of me defending you I really was not sure about you hence my " I don't speak for SVS" thing. Since you have posted more I do feel like the same as splints. I can call you town.

@Syn - hey, yeah I mentioned in an earlier post that you came out of the whole "um what" party looking like a baddie who lost his chance to take down a strong player. And then said something about pocketing and waiting to see if you were right until D 4. Why wait? Hunt baddies now. You didn't find one with SVS so why give up the towns goal of hunting a baddie and elimming them?

What say you regarding Roxy, S~V~S?

(Sorry if you already talked about this. I'll get there.)

I do feel better about her, thanks for helpfully pointing this post out. How do you feel about her?

@Epignosis this was when I knew you were bad.

I thought I got killed because of the snarky “thanks for helpfully pointing that out”, lol. So thanks for trying to save me. I was looking forward to a battle of wits with you

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:30 pm

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:28 pm Well done baddies and good game all. Thank you Kate
Still green but learned a thing or two, and as Kermit would say "it's not that easy being green".

Hope to get to know you better my amphibian friend.

He'd have a great time in the music section of this forum. We have about 50 guitars here.

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:28 pm Well done baddies and good game all. Thank you Kate
Still green but learned a thing or two, and as Kermit would say "it's not that easy being green".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:25 pm I had Epi before I died, but I never would have gotten Wilgy. Maybe not Sean either.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:20 pm Damn I suck at this game huh

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:18 pm Never woulda got seanzie

Wilgy I was eyebrowing cause of how little he talked

Epi well I mean I was voting him and his show up at the end made me want to stay

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:56 pm Here to make sure there's no monkey business

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:27 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine, whom I don't even suspect.

Likewise on my but where to go from here

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:23 pm I would kill six today still but I swapped to epig to not be the townie off consensus and lose the game

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:55 pm @Epignosis Falcon isn't the vote today.

Where is your head at?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:56 pm Epi is confusing the hell out of me with his little popins. At the time I was the top wagon ergo wolves are content with it ergo wolves not really paying attention to the game and think it's pretty much over and I think it's possible that's what's happening there

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:42 pm But on a more serious note, we actually have to come together here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 am I am very weirded out by Epi being around at EoD but not voting yesterday.

I'm pretty sure I voted.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 am
I really felt like Epi was going to snipe at the last second and I almost moved to Dennis at the last second just so Epi couldn't have the deciding vote.

@Epignosis would you vote to save a teammate even if it meant for bad optics? Would you bus a teammate even if you could save them?

Can you please just answer the questions?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:58 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:23 pm If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

Because I didn't care one way or the other.

What was your read on Mata? Dennis?

I have a hard time thinking that you'd be there and just not care.

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:45 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:23 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:19 pm I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

Yes but I need to put more time focusing on you three

since seanzie is on your list {as well as my own} lets discuss. I am leaning to vote seanzie tomorrow but we need to have some consensus. I am open to questions on me as well.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:19 pm I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:23 pm If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm town.




Why am I scum?

Seanzie defended you hardcore for no reason (as far as I can tell). Then there was a flip flop like I've never seen. I don't know what to make of it.

I'm a civilian and I've been annoyed that I haven't gotten my way and worse, it hasn't worked out.

I have to be open minded today I know.

Shouldn't that say more about Seanzie having TMI than anything to do w/ my alignment?




But also, I feel Sean has been very clear as to why he thinks I'm a bad lynch option D1, as well as how he approaches my slot as the game progresses.




I would like some reads from you on the remaining players plz

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:27 pm
My heart wasn't really in it because I got a 68 on a test, which is like so terrible cause I'm a straight A student and then the next day I had another test I really didn't feel confident in so I was feeling pretty shitty

But now 1. The teacher is letting me retake the first test and 2. Spring break started yesterday so I decided to just forget about it and deal with it later lol

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:41 pmGood lord

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:26 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:26 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

How does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.





There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:55 am Epi & Dennis have very high partner probability IMO

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:35 am [VOTE: Epi] aubergine



There's no progression on any reads, doesn't answer questions, and although he asked me to answer his questions...when I asked what his questions were, he never answered.




Around for EOD's (2/3) but again, he's not doing anything but pushing one player....so, if your game approach is that one-sided, and you're actually town, why even bother for the EOD presence? It doesn't make sense from a towny mindset

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 am I am very weirded out by Epi being around at EoD but not voting yesterday.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 am
I really felt like Epi was going to snipe at the last second and I almost moved to Dennis at the last second just so Epi couldn't have the deciding vote.

@Epignosis would you vote to save a teammate even if it meant for bad optics? Would you bus a teammate even if you could save them?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:23 pm If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:23 pm If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:23 pm If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm town.




Why am I scum?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:59 pm I'm not sure how I feel about Epi being the deciding vote here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:05 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?

I can't agree with that. When you can't find one, how are you finding the bunch? We get one lynch at a time. That's all we are afforded. Focus on one, get that one, and then go from there.

I'm not scum.





Got sum reads, plz?

The Brothers Karamazov is one I recommend.

Nah, I'm out of jokey posting mode.





Town leans and scum leans if ya please. And perhaps a blurb or two as to why?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:31 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 am [VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine we probably should have killed this a lil while ago since it seems like everyone scumreads him

Why? I don't.

What towny breadcrumbs have you gleaned from their rather scant ISO?....which, IIRC, having a bare ISO is part of your SR on my slot...if not the entirety of it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:15 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:22 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:20 pm I commented on everything
how are people just not reading

I said, "I don't see that Lemon ever commented about this."

That isn't to say you didn't comment. Again, I wasn't reading through your posts. I was reading through S~V~S's posts. I did stop and look around the surrounding context, but I didn't see where you talked about this (you talked about other things at the time).

If you have a link, please.

so you think I'm scum but you didn't read my posts? :c

and yeah, I'll try to find it and pull it up in a sec

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:51 pm Two confirmed civilians named here by Lemonfairy

you know I had both at the top of my reads at the end though, right?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:51 pm I don't understand why Lemon suspected S~V~S. I also don't know why a civilian might say "you know what, just don't worry about it."

if you read the entire thing, you'll see I have tried to explain it multiple times and SVS was either not seeing my posts or not understanding and at some point I just gave up and told them to not worry about b/c it wasn't important

and fyi (b/c it looks like you missed my explanation too) I named Syn/SVS/Dennis as a team because Syn asked me who I thought were scum based on what little posts there were on D1 and at that point, only Syn, SVS, Dennis, and myself had posted

so no, it was not a legit suspicion and no, there wasn't a point to it either
and if you read back you'll also see I never tried to push anyone in the team I named after either

This all makes more sense if Epi is not trying to actually read lemon in good faith

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:05 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?

I can't agree with that. When you can't find one, how are you finding the bunch? We get one lynch at a time. That's all we are afforded. Focus on one, get that one, and then go from there.

I'm not scum.





Got sum reads, plz?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 am [VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine we probably should have killed this a lil while ago since it seems like everyone scumreads him

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:01 am Okay, that took way longer than I was planning on spending this morning, BUTTTT I ISOd everyone (except for the low posters, but I looked carefully at them yesterday). I definitely started skimming about 1.5 ISOs in (so in the middle of Epi's ISO) because it was taking wayyy longer per person than I wanted, but I feel a lot better about my reads now.

fingersplints

DrWilgy
Roxy

Epignosis

Matahari
Dennis

falcon45ca
SixStrings

I did sort within groups, but did not do so as carefully as between divides. I put Falcon above Six because even though Falcon didn't do a lot, he wasn't just afk when I pushed him a bit earlier, and Six continues to do absolutely nothing.

I think there is a difference check between Falcon and Epi. Epi's push on Falcon doesn't feel like bussing, there is not enough flashy showyness to it for that, so I think if Falcon flips wolf, Epi looks good, and if not, then I think Epi looks bad.

Most of Dennis's play I feel was meta-based rather than in-game based, which worries me. I also have a little bit of tinfoil about a possible Dennis/Wilgy team since I did not really understand Wilgy's townread of Dennis. Dennis has won more scum games than anyone else this year on the site, and I think Wilgy has been privy to at least one or two of these, so I don't see how WIlgy would be so confident in Dennis being in his townrange here.

Roxy's most recent post really pinged me since it kind of felt like "No! We need a misyeet in the low posters! Don't look elsewhere!", but meh, I'm not sure if that's enough to shake their position too much. Especially since I still find the low posters to be the most likely to flip wolf here.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:36 am @Dennis- You've been trying to play the same but it's off a bit. You made only (1) rainbow list is that bc you wanted to be able to claim later in the game you find it pointless? I mean really a rainbow list is in fact a baddies/teamie list. I am not sure I under stand *what* point you are making. Rainbows good, reads good but GTH baddie team lists are bad uh-ok.

@DrWilgy do I bother with you? For two games with you all I have done is defend my town play. Did you even remember our past games? Nope. It's *easier* to just continue on with this one post I can point to and be able to say "eww". Sorry my POE was shit. I am done trying to constantly trying to convince you of my townie-ness. It's tiresome and boring. So you can call be bad and mis-elim me from here to eternity and I will be ok with that <3

@Epignosis - you have been mentioned and talked about. But all you have done this game is pounce on Lemon, chat with Seanzie and vote for falcon. It's boring and quite ho-hum from what I can remember from playing with you previously. Not your style at all. Literally trying to shut convo down. You are not even hunting yourself since Lemon so why are you trying to tell players you cannot see a reason in their style of hunting? Look for one at a time? Well who is your one at a time? WHY?????

@falcon45ca It's like Seanzie has a button on his phone/computer that he presses when he posts about you and you pop right up like a trained puppy and post. I find it so funny tbh. It also however has me giving you and Seanzie the side eye. I am not agreeing with as much as normal and it has me worried. I did like your appeasment post about Mata bc I felt that way too. I still feel townie from you but now I am iffy on everyone.

@fingersplints - I hope I am not wrong about you. <3 Who do you think will be the best choice for a baddie elim? Maybe put them in some sort of order.

@Matahari - I am loving that we are all back and playing together again. I feel like you are having an hard time finding your footing in this game which in turn reminds me of L,G &M when we were bad together. Your posts had the same "lost" vibe and you never really put any roots down that game just like this one. It's why I find you suspicious. This post right here is what I am talking about. No roots. No solid takes.

@Seanzie - Even if your teams are all low posters, who cares at this point? Let's all try to get at least one name in common that we all find suspicious and elim them and go from there? At least it would be a start and something we all tried together. I am looking forward to your after work meeting but pre-elim thoughts today.

@SixStrings - I really, really hate that I think you are bad this game. I have asked you questions, asked you for GTH reads and you completely ignored my posts. You said you are unsure how to defend but can you learn by not trying? I find it difficult to learn that way in order to learn it one must try it first. So get your ass in here and tell me why I should not just vote you out. What makes you more town than other players? Do a rainbow. Make a list. Idc but try Six!

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:31 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:38 pm [VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

??

Lmfao I forgot that happened ngl I thought he moved it

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:53 pm oh I forgot to post my list but I was at:

Roxy
Seanzie

Dennis
fingersplints
Matahari

falcon
SixStrings

Epignosis
DrWilgy
Neon

I'm kind of wavering a bit now though and not as sure as I was before on some people

Why am I so high?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:51 pm I am uninspired today.






It's a lazy couch day, so unless somebody has sumfin' kewl to share, Imma see y'all tomorrow