The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:44 pm enjoy this bonus content

"I would ask angel to watch this video, but he probably couldn’t see it"

Done.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:54 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:34 pm

What is your theory which was heavily argued against by JJJ fake or real?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:49 pm I want everyone to know that last night I poked myself in the eye jabbing my finger against my head bragging to myself about how smart I was. That literally happened.

100% genuine.

Aw I wanted to argue about who was lying about their ballplayers.

Everyone should claim a baseball player. Who are you and what position do you play? Go.

Not satisfied.

I want Ángel Hernández ejected.

Extra innings lets go

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:16 pm We really laughed maniacally when Epi had that wild theory about Nanook

I bet you did.

Have a quarantini.

I've done the work I'm going to do, JJJ.

If nutella is a civilian I'll take my first L of the year and move on.

If you're bad, then whatever. I've already been thinking about how I can improve my hosting duties in the future (this is not a dig at Sloonei by any means). One thing is that people will only get replaced in between phases, never during.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:50 pm Just had my ass handed to me in Worms by my daughter who relies on rare homing weapons.

Which Worms are you playing, Epi?

Armageddon. I like World Party, but it's been buggy as hell for years.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:51 am Seriously Epignosis. Why nutella before Long Con?

I don't have a preference one way or the other.

Listen, at this point, I'm voting nutella or LC. If I'm wrong, so be it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:15 pm What makes you feel that way?

I'm Michelle's teammate. Keep it moving.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:01 pm I'm at the point that if nutella and LC are civilians, I am prepared to take my first loss of the year. They add up in my head.

I lean toward the same pairing. The first lynch is still a very important choice though. No margin for error.

Everything collides at Long Con for me.

If you agree that nutella and Michelle don’t work as teammates (and believe that I’m a civilian), it’s where we end up.

If you can sell me on Michelle with your degree of confidence that’d go a long way.

For me nutella needs to go first.

Why do I get the feeling there's a spectator chat?

Michelle needs to vote though. We can't have a lack of voters at this stage. Michelle, who is bad in your opinion? And stop saying everybody who suspects you or changes his mind or plays at 5%.

I'm at the point that if nutella and LC are civilians, I am prepared to take my first loss of the year. They add up in my head.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:33 pm have I been fooled? was Nanook lying all along?

I'm not good enough with this kind of setup/counterclaim stuff to understand what could be happening here. Are Nanook and LC scum together and pulling some kind of... well, long con?

Jay help me out lol

In the same breath, nutella asks if she's been fooled and was Nanook lying AND THEN also says she's not good enough with this "kind of setup/counterclaim stuff to understand what could be happening here."

AND THEN she goes on to offer an accusation based on it.

Look. If you don't understand something, either ask questions to learn or shut the hmm hmm.

This is a nutella that is covering bases. She doesn't claim anything at all, but instead asks a bunch of questions that try to make her look innocent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:32 pm I think Michelle is a civilian. She looks lost, alone, helpless, angry, trying to figure things out, etc.

Does anybody disagree with that assessment?

I can see that being the case. I am not confident. The term "alone" may be most compelling in that her last real ally in the game was Nanook, at least until you at present. It's the "trying to figure things out" that has given me problems. I see raw effort; I am not sure I see sincere effort.

What's the difference?

I think Michelle is a civilian. She looks lost, alone, helpless, angry, trying to figure things out, etc.

Does anybody disagree with that assessment?

Let me get a drink and settle in and see what it is JJJ has written.

I'll get to you JJJ. Just had my ass handed to me in Worms by my daughter who relies on rare homing weapons.

Michelle's response to Nanook's lie is rife with indignation and "what the fuck is this?"

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:57 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:28 pm Michelle is fine to kill today

No it's not!

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:59 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:50 pm If it’s Michelle lemme know so I can get straight to interactive analysis

It's obviously not me. Your question is bad because he would use other words for a lock scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:02 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:01 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Again? You sure lack imagination sir.

Telling me I lack imagination is an unexpected way of putting this, but it doesn't sound phony.

But rather than be content to yell at people over the lie, Michelle offers this immediately after. You can almost hear the keyboard clacking away (or the phone screen taking a beating):

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:37 am Grats guys, you are doing again the same thing you did in the previous game with 3 villagers in a row. Be proud of it.
I get now why they gave up, you are too selfish to accept you are wrong.


Let's see my wagon:
Epi said he will give 33% in this game, he gives 5%. Ugly way of playing no matter AI.

Nanook was just sheeping one or another, i don't understand this. If he thinks his red peek solves the game he is plain wrong because mafia is a team and in this game distancing is the key. Unless everyone talks in the game. But you all are ok with players who are answering with one word at questions and admire this nonsense. If they are mafia, you have zero content to work with.

Jay is an easy poster so high activity is not AI and he's imagining tests and PoEs. Town had bad results from his contribution in the games we played together. I don't trust him no matter AI. He is a genius mafia, good for him. Idk why, but I was town reading him when he subbed in the game. Maybe because he had a nice energy. I am not sure about this. His so called test is a trap and he choose to pick up my answer to push me.
Logic, any mafia would say no. I said yes. So what? And then he has like a revelation and said I am guilty. Lame

Nutella pretends to know to read me but she can't. Or she don't want to. We talked too much already.

At least one of this 4 is wolf, imo.
But I may be wrong.
If every single one is villager, then this town have a problem and we will loose this game.

I don't want to post more, I am tired to defend myself and I am not playing for this. My vote stays on Jack, his approach was bad. His reads looked fabricated and Svs's push on me in day 1 was a tunnel a villager should not make.

I may not come back until Eod not because I give up but because this game is depressing.

Good bye.

Her response about Nanook's lie makes very little sense coming from someone who knows it's a lie. Michelle basically shits on the entire civilian faction here.

Bear in mind, right after Nanook changed his lie to Long Con, he commented:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:27 am What if I told you my red was long con

Also I kinda think michelle is a villager tbh but I don't wanna say why (it isn't a check)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:59 am Who never believed Nanook's claim, btw? Just mafia knew the claim is fake.

That's something I mean to look into. Now that we are fully affirmed the mafia knew all along there was no cop, that may be insightful with respect to how people responded to Nanook.

I never even considered that.

Ah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:20 am Excuse me, setup C rather than 3.

How do you know it's C rather than 3?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:49 pm Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

I see.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:56 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 amI submit that the mafia team for this ballgame is nutella and Long Con.

I will explore the latter when opportunity presents itself.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Well, you're probably half-right. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Who is the other half?

The bad news is that my theory was proved incorrect and I do not get to gloat.

The good news is that my theory was proved incorrect and I get the opportunity to get this right, and that I have a 50% chance of being right.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:20 pm I doubt Epignosis kills MP when the latter is firmly in his camp and when it's his first game in a while.

Cop hunting may break this logic; I'll have to determine the veracity of such a thing.

This should effectively clear me.

Ugh I hate this argument but it's true.

A civilian would be happy to be able to confidently recognize a fellow civilian. nutella here is gloomy for it. It's as if she begrudgingly must remove me from the dwindling pool of possible civilian lynches rather than celebrate what she even admits is the truth.

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I want to talk about nutella's interactions with Long Con. I don't wish to quote all of them. They are there if you want to see them.

Page 1 interactions are what I would categorize as "softball." Neither one looks to be making an honest effort to sort the other. It's a token effort, if that.

Page 2:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:25 pm Why are Dizzy and I wrong about Long Con?

You have five minutes. Answer immediately and with brevity.

Answer me.

Even after all these years I'm not great at reading LC, so he's sorta null for me, but his posts have an independent/unafraid to speak his mind vibe. I don't see a scum agenda.

You could put any name in this sentence, change the pronouns, and it could not be disputed. This post was made Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:41 pm EST.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:57 pm nutella, assume for a moment that Epignosis doesn't exist. Who are you lynching now?

Ugh probably LC but i don't feel great about it. I just have more reasons to townread everyone else.

This post was made Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:07 pm EST. Folks, that is a differential of twenty-six minutes. nutella went from "I don't see a scum agenda" to Long Con is her second choice for a Day 1 lynch. LC did not post at all in that twenty-six minute window for him to have done anything for her to change her mind over.

That was Day 1. Here is a post from Day 2:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:42 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 pm Yeah I'm getting unusually sketchy vibes from a lot of Michelle's posts. This far into the game and I haven't felt the screen scream "Michelle is town" at me yet -- means she's probably not.

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

you ignored me until now. As expected.

No? I believe I've stated a few times that you were in my poe and that you haven't caused me to townread you

"You haven't caused me to townread you," as though the burden lies completely with Michelle for how nutella views her. Again, she could say this about any one of us and who are we to dispute it?

That's less important than the fact that nutella named LC as bad saying, "I just have more reasons to townread everyone else" Day 1 but on Day 2 to Michelle says "I believe I've stated a few times that you were in my poe and that you haven't caused me to townread you."

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nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:07 pm Sorry for being obtuse. I guess I still don't see the point of whatever you're doing. Another mysterious Jay exercise.

This isn't related to LC, but I found it noteworthy. Before JJJ can even do whatever it is he is doing, nutella implied it was of little value.

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 am This is why Down With Ketchup is the one true way.

You can have both though!! I regularly post as Jack does, responding to things as I read while missing current thread information, but I still make every effort to read every post in the game so I don't miss anything.


Anyway [VOTE: lc] aubergine since it looks like nanook means it. Still think Michelle is extremely likely the other one.

The tone here is one of resignation rather than exuberance. Note that nutella sees fit to make sure Michelle is the follow up candidate without going into why it is "extremely likely." It's as though nutella senses that LC is caught and is going to be revealed and she needs to attach a name to that revelation.

Just an observation at this point:

In page 3, Long Con is mentioned three times (and LC is mentioned 16). Michelle is mentioned 53 (!) times. I realize there is room for some of those 53 mentions being other people quoting or naming Michelle, but that is an astounding difference.

Here is one of those 53:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:43 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 pm I mean, Nut, how did you know Mac is villager when everyone wanted him lynched?

Why didn't you answer at my questions?

Why you expected a wagon to be formed to vote me?

Mac was fairly obvious town imo. Like I said I don't think he would do something like that big case on d1 as scum. Also he wasn't around so the cfd on him was just rude

What questions? Please direct me

No idea what that last thing is about

If Mac was obviously good, then we should see evidence that nutella made an effort Day 1 to persuade others to vote away from Mac.

Twenty-two mentions of MacDougall on page 1 without a single word of defense (other than blindly agreeing with him about me).

The defense of Mac on page 2 consists of:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:17 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:11 pm I want to lynch Mac. People should join me.

His absence may say something.
My read on him was town. But i would like from him to post more, and now I don't have a reason to defend my read.

It is 5AM for him.

I don't get the case on him, he seems like town Mac to me.

Reminding us of his time zone and stating that he "seems" good.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:26 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:19 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:17 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:11 pm I want to lynch Mac. People should join me.

His absence may say something.
My read on him was town. But i would like from him to post more, and now I don't have a reason to defend my read.

He’s a much better town player than this. I town read his poop flinging in the moment, upon reflection earlier today I read it as NAI, and he’s continued to do all of jackshit since. I don’t get any sense at all that he’s trying to figure out alignments either, which means all he’s done so fling poo. That is more compatible with a scum Day 1 than a town one, considering the state of POE because I believe a lot of other players have town cleared themselves out of Day 1 lynch contention, including you now as well.

I don't think scum Mac puts that much effort into a case on d1.

Which is probably easily disproved (JJJ could do so I think), but whatever. The "I don't think" does not imply "Mac was obviously town."

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:31 pm Wtf this poll what happened yall mac is still asleep

Reminding us again that it's against the rules to lynch people in their sleep.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm If Mac flips town I am scrutinizing MP and Nanook for this gross ass cfd.

"If Mac flips town."

That doesn't sound like it was an obvious thing at all. But at the same time, it sounds like nutella already knows the outcome here.

Page four shows nutella attempting to link anybody she can to Long Con.

The obvious problem here is that if you are sure LC is bad with someone else, the right course of action is to lynch the common link first and go from there. This is not happening.

I submit that the mafia team for this ballgame is nutella and Long Con.

I will explore the latter when opportunity presents itself.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

With magic swords I hope.

I want everyone to know that last night I poked myself in the eye jabbing my finger against my head bragging to myself about how smart I was. That literally happened.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:36 pm My theory was cool but shit and I'm a big enough boy to admit that.

Do you think it's still possible Jay is bad?

I have to rethink everything and I've been drinking since 1pm EST today.

Well hell I was right about being in Universe 3.

Still Nanook got Brock Holt, which is pretty fucking funny all things considered.

My theory was cool but shit and I'm a big enough boy to admit that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:26 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:57 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:02 am Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It isn't nonsense. I'm correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:57 amIt looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

What role is Nanook and why do you believe him?

Nanook is the 2-shot doctor. I believe him because nobody else has claimed a role compatible with the 1-shot tracker. I believe him because only one person has challenged that claim at all, and that person has been utterly obtuse in interpreting how claiming works in a game of this construction (you).

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:53 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:41 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:09 am Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

To what end?

What is my goal?

D3 is MYLO/LYLO, setting up a thunderdome is not a bad scum play.

I don't know what the hell this means.

If I'm bad, I just let everyone lynch either nutella or whoever else was on your partner's list.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:57 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:02 am Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It isn't nonsense. I'm correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:57 amIt looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

What role is Nanook and why do you believe him?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:09 am Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

To what end?

What is my goal?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:53 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:39 pm I won this game for the civilians.

You're all welcome. Move on with your lives.

Then who is scum?

At least read my 5%.

Can't wait to see that kill.

JJJ-

Hey look, I'm going this thing where I am going to advocate the lynching of Nanook.

Is that a good idea? Why or why not?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 pm I'm going to give you a hint.

I don't give a toss about your frustration. You wrote this matrix, you ridiculed people for not understanding it (again, I laughed, so half points on that), and now you want me to ease your frustration?

No hell no.

Nanook should burn in hell. Nanook is making up shit consistent with what is extant in the thread.

I might have no problem with that except IT SERVES NO FUCKING PURPOSE FOR CIVILIANS.

I am Robin again. I have small hands and a big voice.

You're a bad listener.

Don't give a shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:59 pm If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

No. I don't believe that. Everyone here are good mafia players. Fuck that.

To live in the universe you've portrayed, there must be at least two bad Mafia players.

Or one scrupulous mafia player.

If I'm bad, I need one lynch to win. I'm asking for two. Come on civilians. Support me.

Lynch Nanook.

Lynch JJJ.

Win this shit.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:59 pm If I'm a mafia role cop whoever the second town PR is just gamethrew FYPOV

Given that nobody here is that stupid...

No. I don't believe that. Everyone here are good mafia players. Fuck that.

Folks this is HORSESHIT coming from a mafia role cop.

Now you're a doctor.