The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:04 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm It's incredible how three people including ones I think are town don't want to do any solving work today

If you really want to hammer I guess we might as well if you're going to sit back and refuse to do anything else besides hammer Lily with the information we have
Solving is for days theres no red check lol
That's how we lose town leaders wtf
That sounds like something I definitely care about

No one forced you to play this game. Why do you sign up for games and not play.

@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@pyxxy
@Seanzie
@WindwardAway

HI things are happening someone be here ffs

Unless this is lily cc-ing wwa but why on d3?

Wwa claimed d1

Lily said nothing.

I am confused

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:00 pm Well that was weird...

No one died.

It is now Day 3! The Day will end in 48 hours on Monday, March 27 at 10PM EST.

Your post limit for Day 3 are as follows. The first number is your current post count, and the second is that plus 125.

@Dennis - 123 => 248
@DrWilgy - 91 => 316
@falcon45ca - 44 => 169
@Lilypetal - 198 => 323
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 128 => 253
@Neon - 254 => 379
@Porscha - 217 => 342
@pyxxy - 144 => 269
@Sabiplz - 207 => 332
@Seanzie - 168 => 293
@WindwardAway - 200 => 325

Spoiler: show
@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@Lilypetal
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@pyxxy
@Sabiplz
@Seanzie
@WindwardAway

Hard claim roleblocker blocking seanzie
N1 - none
N2 - seanzie

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

WoohooooooooOoo ez clap

Haven't read thread yet had busy night and forgot abt game will catch up when im free dont hammer

Wwa jailkept you

You can't use powers when jailkept

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:14 pm For recordkeeping purposes, it was me/Nook/Seanzie/Sabi/Porscha putting lily at L-1 and it looks like Sabi and I both just unvoted now.

I u voted when she was at l-2 when Seanzie made that post

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:18 pm Neon voteparked on Sabi and never came back
Porscha announced she doesn't care if we hammer this early
Nook said he would figure out Lily's partners tomorrow
Falcon just picked two names off my list and didn't give it any thought
Way to not make use of our time here

Neon didn't come back so she's probably not caught up, it doesn't mean anything AI imo
Pyxxy hasn't posted at all today
And lily obviously hasn't either, and I don't expect her to.

What does that say about each person in regards to lily redcheck

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:25 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:18 pm Neon voteparked on Sabi and never came back
Porscha announced she doesn't care if we hammer this early
Nook said he would figure out Lily's partners tomorrow
Falcon just picked two names off my list and didn't give it any thought
Way to not make use of our time here

Neon didn't come back so she's probably not caught up, it doesn't mean anything AI imo
Pyxxy hasn't posted at all today
And lily obviously hasn't either, and I don't expect her to.

I gotta be honest, this kinda sanctimonious chat...just save it dude.

I'm not sure if you've fully processed this, but not every player at every point in any game has the same amount of time to dedicate to playing.

I get it can be frustrating, and instead of berating players for not living up to your expectations, you may try encouraging them rather than finger wagging.

This is a scummy post

Anyway hi I'm here @WindwardAway .got done with John wick

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:04 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm It's incredible how three people including ones I think are town don't want to do any solving work today

If you really want to hammer I guess we might as well if you're going to sit back and refuse to do anything else besides hammer Lily with the information we have
Solving is for days theres no red check lol

That's how we lose town leaders wtf

Going to watch John Wick now xoxo

It's been like 15 hours and lily hasn't checked in

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:57 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:54 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:30 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)
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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia
What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?
NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?
She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).
This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.
Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo
You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.
This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol
Found lucy teammate
Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more
Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game
HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up
This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig
Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game
Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.
4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.

My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?
there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim
8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob
9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me
You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Does that help you with my world view atm?
Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?
My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?
Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?
I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me
I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?
This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu
Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon
If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily
We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn
So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward
I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.
I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.
The progression in order felt like towny lily to me:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1031509
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1031565
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1031578
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031593
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1031594
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031597
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031603
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031677
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1032193
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 6#p1032196
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032205
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032225
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1032389
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1032451
At some point you said that TS only lets you quote 10 things, I don't think that's true? Anyways, this is torture. If you want to win so badly that you resort to this sort of torture, I'll just give it to you (this is a joke btw).

I will actually look later.

Everytime I click 10 multi quote, it breaks for me. Also it's easier when I'm isoing to do this on my phone.

I'M TOWN SEANZIE.

Ahhhhhhhh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:39 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:33 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)
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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia
What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?
NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?
She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).
This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.
Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo
You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.
This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol
Found lucy teammate
Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more
Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game
HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up
This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig
Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game
Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.
4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.

My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?
there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim
8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob
9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me
You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Does that help you with my world view atm?
Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?
My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?
Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?
I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me
I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?
This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu
Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon
If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily
We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn
So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward
I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.
lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.
I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.
Also, it is possible that it is Lily/Sabi/Nook or Lily/Sabi/Pyxxy, my Lily/Sabi/Falcon read isn't so strong that I am locking that in and turning a blind eye, but yeah, I will look at that when I have time.

You being conf biased on to me is quite annoying when you can see how lily treated me esp at eod yesterday and be like oh yea they are w/w.

In what world is wolf lily telling people to vote me over tutuu and falcon when the wagons were falcon/tutuu and not me.

Like

Ahhhhh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:30 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)
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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia
What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?
NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?
She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).
This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.
Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.
The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town
bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo
You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.
This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me
Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???
the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol
Found lucy teammate
Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied
LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more
Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game
HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up
This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig
Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game
Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.
4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.

My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?
im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR
This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?
there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim
8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob
9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm @Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?
He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time
bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me
You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Does that help you with my world view atm?
Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?
My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?
Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 pm

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.
OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?
Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?
I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me
I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve
I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?
This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu
Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon
If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily
We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways
Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn
So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward
I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.
I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:25 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:23 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:20 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.
Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.

May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily
why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.
Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.
what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

That changes things. I thought doc was even night

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:20 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.
Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.

May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily
why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

Also @Seanzie i didn't feel like at the time to iso lily because

I was busy and didn't have time till after eod. Wow wolfy.

@DrWilgy ij what world are lily/me ever a thing because she has been wanting me dead all game and even wanted me dead over tutuu/falcon

That isn't bussing or theater.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:05 am Lily is at E-2 btw, just so everyone is aware.

Do you want me to unvote

Ok

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)
Spoiler: show
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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia
What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?
NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?
She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).
This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.
Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:57 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:40 am

I can disagree with how you're approaching a person and still think they aren't towny.
What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....
Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.
The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town
bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo
You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.
This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me
Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???
the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol
Found lucy teammate
Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!
Pocket attempt denied
LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more
Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game
HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up
This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?
i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig
Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game
Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.
4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.

My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:18 pm oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf
So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?
im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR
This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?
there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim
8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob
9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm @Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?
He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time
bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me
You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Does that help you with my world view atm?
Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?
My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?
Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.
I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.
OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?
Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?
I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me
I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve
I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?
This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu
Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon
If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily
We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways
Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways
Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn
So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward
I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.

May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:00 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:05 pm @WindwardAway who did you red check
Oh my god I blocked a kill lmao.

I don't think there's any use in withholding my info since all the wolves know who i blocked and they're all going to distance themselves now.

Get rekt.

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Also why did Nook at sod ask if there was a red check and not who did wwa save?

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

I'm keeping my word. I fucked up.

Im gay and hate my life

GL and gn everyone.

I will vote myself at sod to keep my deal

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:41 pm legacy:

sabi pyxxy falcon wilgy

order of confidence:

sabi > pyxxy > falcon > wilgy

Highest confidence with no scum Cas eor reason besides lucy legacy that she stated at the start of the game. Got it. Noted.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:35 pm @Sabiplz HELP ME SABI CONVINCE FALCON TO UNVOTE ME

Why like why.

You're a wolf and haven't proven otherwise at all this eod.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways
Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?
Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.
If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:31 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:05 pm Oh, but I'm town. Maf doesn't give two fucks about moving votes off my wagon.
<--- and this player moved off your wagon, and onto sabi

you keep listing great reasons for why u shouldnt scumread me!
Why not. Nook or. Pyxxy?

Why just me you keep. Pushing people on to
coz i think ur mafia

i townread nook

pyxxy ok sure but u defended him so u die first

Fairly certain that Nook has done nothing AI to this point.

Don't even need to read his ISO, it's just the way he plays

Yea that's why I'm questioning her reads on Nook

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways
Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:05 pm Oh, but I'm town. Maf doesn't give two fucks about moving votes off my wagon.
<--- and this player moved off your wagon, and onto sabi

you keep listing great reasons for why u shouldnt scumread me!
Why not. Nook or. Pyxxy?

Why just me you keep. Pushing people on to
coz i think ur mafia

i townread nook

pyxxy ok sure but u defended him so u die first

So from ur pov the wolves are just me and pyxxy

Not falcon or Nook.

Got it

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:04 pm Sabi tell me why tutuu is bad real quick

She's not solving.

All she is doing is pocketing people in thread or repeating that she's sheeping lucy (and ignoring lucy sr on her)

There is no towny way of her solving anything.
Remember in carto and how she was constantly bouncing around solves and what not. Like actively trying to solve.

She hasn't.

@tutuu if you're town and from your pov falcon is scum, why would he move his vote off of you? Why are you appealing to him like he's town?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:05 pm Oh, but I'm town. Maf doesn't give two fucks about moving votes off my wagon.
<--- and this player moved off your wagon, and onto sabi

you keep listing great reasons for why u shouldnt scumread me!

Why not. Nook or. Pyxxy?

Why just me you keep. Pushing people on to

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:44 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:43 pm How can anyone find this game fun
I question my sanity every time I join a game
I guess I like tormenting myself until I want to scream

I was supposed to take a three month break.

I should have kept the break till my champs game.

How can anyone find this game fun

Her sr of me was based off fear of my wolf meta and not actually a sr of me.

Jfc stop being a revisionist tutuu

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:15 pm I will play president today.

Eliminate tutuu.

If they are town yall can literally murder me tomorrow after I leave a legacy. I won't fight or ate or whatever.

Just please just do this because right now tutuu is a wolf. I am willing to bank my slot on that.

Heck if tutuu flips mafia yall can kill me tomorrow incase there's the fear of w/w

@Neon
@Lilypetal
@Porscha
@Seanzie
@Dennis
This is not what I want and it is never what I want

Well unfortunately if I die now, no one will kill tutuu I already know this.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:22 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:49 pm No one wants to fucking work with me except neon.

Everyone saw my name in pl and thought sabi is wolf and has given me zero benefit of the doubt.
I'm working with you on pushing tutuu but you've ignored me the entire day

We have barley been on at the same time and you have been engaging with others.

I. Just feel. Like no one else except us sees tutuu pocketing people and it's. Making me fjkzmsnxlanzbkz

I will play president today.

Eliminate tutuu.

If they are town yall can literally murder me tomorrow after I leave a legacy. I won't fight or ate or whatever.

Just please just do this because right now tutuu is a wolf. I am willing to bank my slot on that.

Heck if tutuu flips mafia yall can kill me tomorrow incase there's the fear of w/w

@Neon
@Lilypetal
@Porscha
@Seanzie
@Dennis

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:47 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:15 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:12 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:05 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:04 pm That you align with my view of what wolves would be doing in this game state and Tutuu does not
All tutuu did was vote falcon or me all day?

Please tell me how is that not static?
Because you were not a main wagon. They are not trying to keep the status quo
The status quo was her and falcon

What is she going to do self vote???

Really neon really.
Please don't act like I'm being unreasonable when I'm not.

It's clear that Tutuu could have stayed on falcon but they've been willing to forge a path on their own and lead the charge against a non existent wagon all day

Literally look at what I posted.

You would think if someone is town they would try to solve or push their cw except tutuu didn't.

Tutuu avoided all of that.

Tutuu can read the vibes in the thread and knows people like Porscha and Lily and You would jump all over eliminating me.

I can't even tell if Porscha gaslight ing me about tutuu is towny or scummy that's why I need to gtfo the thread for a bit

@Neon have i towntold or obvtown now???????? ahhhhh

im levaing for a bit because im losing my mind. see yall in a hour.

SO ONCE AGAIN

IM NOT GOING CRAZY.

EVEN WHEN FALCON WAS HER CW SHE WAS ONLY FOCUSED ON ME

ME WITHOUT ANY SCUM CASE ON ME,

I SWEAR TO GOD I AM LOSING MY MIND RIGHT NOW,

TUTUU LAST 50 POST IN HER ISO

AHH WHY DOES SYNDICATE ONLY ALLOW TEN QUOTES HFGOUDHFGOHDSOIFDSIOJ

I can believe I will have to whip out my laptop

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:23 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:21 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:17 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:48 pm THE SOLVE IS TUTUU.

TUTUU HAS BEEN PUSHING ME WITH ZERO SCUM CASE AND YALL ARE EATING IT UP.

WHAT INFO DO YOU GET WHEN I FLIP TOWN

PLEASE LET ME KNOW
Well that's not true anyway lol
What isn't true.

Tutuu admitted she has no case on me and is pushing me because of lucy.
Tutuu spent most of the day not pushing you, but yes her read was from lucy
She literally has talked about me in almost every post in d2

Please reread her iso from D2 and count how many times I was mentioned.
1) not gonna do that cuz I'm at work on banana phone
2) were you being pushed in all of them? Because,
3) I know most certainly tutuu spent a lot of time trying to push falcon

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

Literally has not pushed falcon once at all.

Her vote was for self pres and didn't even talk about him being scum read.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:17 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:48 pm THE SOLVE IS TUTUU.

TUTUU HAS BEEN PUSHING ME WITH ZERO SCUM CASE AND YALL ARE EATING IT UP.

WHAT INFO DO YOU GET WHEN I FLIP TOWN

PLEASE LET ME KNOW
Well that's not true anyway lol
What isn't true.

Tutuu admitted she has no case on me and is pushing me because of lucy.
Tutuu spent most of the day not pushing you, but yes her read was from lucy

She literally has talked about me in almost every post in d2

Please reread her iso from D2 and count how many times I was mentioned.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:48 pm THE SOLVE IS TUTUU.

TUTUU HAS BEEN PUSHING ME WITH ZERO SCUM CASE AND YALL ARE EATING IT UP.

WHAT INFO DO YOU GET WHEN I FLIP TOWN

PLEASE LET ME KNOW
Well that's not true anyway lol

What isn't true.

Tutuu admitted she has no case on me and is pushing me because of lucy.

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