Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Michelle]

Morning!

I retract my tr for Hally, her energy lowered till the scum ramge and the vote at Eod was awful

[VOTE: Inawordyes] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So porscha and neon are confirmed players

I've hard claimed player

[Michelle]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I can help: im 100% a player

To further guide things: im 100% town

Ive aimed for main wagons each day whilst doing fuck all and claiming npc so that i can work out players later. I also thought wolves would try n avoid main wagons (to out as players slower) so thought would be a good idea to boost late game town cred

I also voted Vivax, the wolf pr, on the day where there was 1 vote off the wolf pr being in a tie. Wolves wont have known how close it was so imo bussin the pr wolf is awlways dumb wolf move and should clear me

Also vivax reverse spew and what seanzie says

What did I say? You might be thinking of Wilgy.

Yes wigly.

Also, ilario, seanzie is charitable and shares the love here so sheep him for his good vibes

Do we have a town list?

Neon (100%)
Porscha (100%)
Etc.

Player list*

You were right the first time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I've been wrong on everything so let's just keep being wrong lol

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

But also I still don't trust nutella actually.

[Hally]

gj with the lunch yesterday gang

wish i had pursued my pings on vivax more but oh well

gonna be with family this entire weekend plus monday too so don’t expect much from me this day

just sheep the people who lunched vivax imo, glgl

[Inawordyes]

Pain, extreme pain

[Inawordyes]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

[Inawordyes]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6772 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (29), nutella (25), pyxxy (11), ilario (7), Seanzie (18), Michelle (2)
Not Voting (5): MacDougall (1), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (1), Hally (1), Inawordyes (2)
nutella (1): Neon (3)

[nutella]

real classic weathervane moment but i might be swayed by that post

[nutella]

idk what to do

honestly dz's defense about not bussing vivax felt kinda slimy/overwrought/prepared to me but maybe thats dumb

[Ricochet]

Ahh, your worship, allow me to be of use. Other than the puppets, there are some very fine things up here.

[ilario]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

i miss you too michelle! <3

consider me your second voter as well as seanzies second voter

[Manny]

was gonna say santy was lock!town after the lfip but lmao santy dead

[Manny]

also i lost both santy and SK in 24hs big sad.

[MacDougall]

Changed my mind. I like the script. Fuck the poll.

[Porscha]

Solid votes on iawy gamers I'll leave you to it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

O.o

[Porscha]

o.O

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

UwU

[DeeZees]

Changed my mind. I like the script. Fuck the poll.

Power to the ppl

Nut you r wrong

[Manny]

UwU

OwO

[Michelle]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

i miss you too michelle! <3

consider me your second voter as well as seanzies second voter

You know what to say to pocket me

[Michelle]

Some wagons constructions will help here, to check in the previous days the votes on Vivax.
I will do it later in the day though

glad Mac gave up at the poll, the script is really useful.

I have a theory but I keep it for myself for now.

Have a beautiful Sunday everyone

[Manny]

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine

[Manny]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6769 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (30), nutella (27), pyxxy (11), ilario (8), Seanzie (18), Michelle (4)
Not Voting (6): MacDougall (5), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (2), Hally (1), Inawordyes (3), Porscha (2)
nutella (1): Neon (5)
manny (1): Manny (4)

[Manny]

is that maj lmfao?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

UwU

OwO

YwY

[Porscha]

I think mac said no maj this game but maybe I misremembered and too lazy to check

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'd assume no maj when we can't be certain who is real and who's not. Since it could just like instantly confirm players.

[Ricochet]

I beg you, grant me a seat at the table of the dynasty.

[Seanzie]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

What interpretation do you give this now that you see Vivax's flip?

My issue is that you strongly ignored the fact that I've been pushing against Falcon all day and was actively campaigning for a vivax vote when with only 8 minutes left in the thread, you voted Falcon, and then interpreted people voting whom hadn't been around for the last hour as evidence that Falcon was bad... rather than... you know... people who hadn't been around for the last hour moving onto the wagon they most believed in.

I believe that you as town will do things like this to get a sense of what is going on, but I don't feel like it was actually done with good faith.

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Can you tell me what your read on me was prior to the flip EoD yesterday? Also tell me your read on Jack for most of yesterday plz.

[Seanzie]

@Hally
@Neon
@Lumi
@Michelle
@ilario

[Michelle]

@Hally
@Neon
@Lumi
@Michelle
@ilario

Watching the football finale, i will be here afer

[Ricochet]

There's a myriad of battle arts in these lands that I've yet to discover.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am once again asking you to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm aware I'm in a tunnel but im also aware I'm correct so neener neener

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Neon is based, good job neon

[Seanzie]

I am once again asking you to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Okay boomer.

[Lumi]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6768 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (30), nutella (27), pyxxy (11), ilario (8), Seanzie (21), Michelle (5)
Not Voting (6): MacDougall (6), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (4), Hally (1), Inawordyes (3), Porscha (3)
nutella (2): Neon (7), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (3)
manny (1): Manny (6)

[Lumi]

If the person we chop today is an NPC or the person the wolves night kill tonight is an NPC - then we should turbo schia tomorrow.

We'll be on the wrong parity and will need to sleep anyway, so we might as well make the sleep have some wolf equity in it.

If either both the chop + NK are NPCs or neither, then don't turbo Schia, just keep playing normally and wait for the purge

[Lumi]

If the person we chop today is an NPC or the person the wolves night kill tonight is an NPC - then we should turbo schia tomorrow.

We'll be on the wrong parity and will need to sleep anyway, so we might as well make the sleep have some wolf equity in it.

If either both the chop + NK are NPCs or neither, then don't turbo Schia, just keep playing normally and wait for the purge

@DeeZees
@nutella
@Seanzie
@Michelle
@ilario

[nutella]

I'm aware I'm in a tunnel but im also aware I'm correct so neener neener

you arent buddy lol

[Inawordyes]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

What interpretation do you give this now that you see Vivax's flip?

My issue is that you strongly ignored the fact that I've been pushing against Falcon all day and was actively campaigning for a vivax vote when with only 8 minutes left in the thread, you voted Falcon, and then interpreted people voting whom hadn't been around for the last hour as evidence that Falcon was bad... rather than... you know... people who hadn't been around for the last hour moving onto the wagon they most believed in.

I believe that you as town will do things like this to get a sense of what is going on, but I don't feel like it was actually done with good faith.

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Can you tell me what your read on me was prior to the flip EoD yesterday? Also tell me your read on Jack for most of yesterday plz.

It's the timing of it that spooked me, you had like 10-15 minutes where Vivax/Joe were tied and nothing was happening. Nobody bats an eye that Vivax ties in the vote, nobody says anything about it and it just sits there and those active talk around it. But immediately as soon as I voted Falcon, there were people saying "no that's a bad vote" and then what looked to me like retaliatory votes for Vivax. But the explanation doesn't matter because of the results in your mind, you've come to the conclusion that something that is incredibly NAI for me (and again, ask Nutella, Hally or Nanook) is actively scummy, and now everything I do is scummy. Do you not realize that the orange is also a very bad faith argument to make? Or do you just not care because you've got an easy mischop?

[Seanzie]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

What interpretation do you give this now that you see Vivax's flip?

My issue is that you strongly ignored the fact that I've been pushing against Falcon all day and was actively campaigning for a vivax vote when with only 8 minutes left in the thread, you voted Falcon, and then interpreted people voting whom hadn't been around for the last hour as evidence that Falcon was bad... rather than... you know... people who hadn't been around for the last hour moving onto the wagon they most believed in.

I believe that you as town will do things like this to get a sense of what is going on, but I don't feel like it was actually done with good faith.

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Can you tell me what your read on me was prior to the flip EoD yesterday? Also tell me your read on Jack for most of yesterday plz.

It's the timing of it that spooked me, you had like 10-15 minutes where Vivax/Joe were tied and nothing was happening. Nobody bats an eye that Vivax ties in the vote, nobody says anything about it and it just sits there and those active talk around it. But immediately as soon as I voted Falcon, there were people saying "no that's a bad vote" and then what looked to me like retaliatory votes for Vivax. But the explanation doesn't matter because of the results in your mind, you've come to the conclusion that something that is incredibly NAI for me (and again, ask Nutella, Hally or Nanook) is actively scummy, and now everything I do is scummy. Do you not realize that the orange is also a very bad faith argument to make? Or do you just not care because you've got an easy mischop?

I don't think it is in bad faith to consider that someone could have done something in their town range, but with a scum agenda. I do love an easy mischop.

You didn't answer any of my three questions, which all are asked in good faith to help me figure out if my suspicion on you is warranted. please address them.

[Ricochet]

I will never give this up. Not to your kind.

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

[Inawordyes]

Neon probs player, tentatively town on a quick skim. Porscha maybe NPC but likely town if PC.
Ranmilia wagon looks pure mostly.

Quite possibly a bunch of scum among nonvoters but phoneplaying so it‘ll be a slow chore to look further and it‘s killing my motivation (or WIM as you fancily call it)

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

@ilario the time to start solving is now tbh

Bad vote tbh.
Has IC vibes all over and I mentioned I had scout read on him (or DZ perhaps)
Explains the Ender wagon of yesterday sufficiently.

I‘d tentatively townpile the lot who wagoned Ender.
Neon was more roundabout about it would have to do a fresh ISO first.

Spoiler: show

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #4974

Not Voting (12): MacDougall (7), katze (61), Lumi (44), c4e5g3d5 (3), Lilypetal (27), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (5), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (5): SilverKeith (9), nutella (81), Ranmilia (76), Vivax (48), ilario (16)
ranmilia (3): iaafr (55), Porscha (41), Neon (30)
vivax (3): DeeZees (30), Michelle (55), santygrass (114)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), Hally (56)
rondo (2): Dyslexicon (9), Jackofhearts2005 (15)
creature (1): EnderWiggin (34)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
ran (1): DrWilgy (21)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (21)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (22)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)

Lol my bad. Work stuff.

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Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (6): MacDougall (13), Lumi (32), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1), Schiavetto (5)
lilypetal (5): santygrass (82), nutella (38), Michelle (41), DeeZees (26), Hally (57)
neon (4): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9), Lilypetal (56), EnderWiggin (36)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (57)
falcon (2): Jackofhearts2005 (23), DrWilgy (37)
manny (1): Manny (39)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
unvote (1): Inawordyes (18)
schiavetto (1): pyxxy (19)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)
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Alright, so I read through Vivax's ISO, and assuming I got the votecount on D3 correctly, these are the votes that Vivax referred to in the quoted posts. I point this out because twice he made mention of the people on those wagons being pure "tentatively/mostly", and both wagons contain Neon and Illario. Both times he specifically feels the need to mention Neon, but he never mentions Illario

DeeZees I think was spewed town by Vivax's ISO with the push he made

I stick to my original read that Jack was spewed town yesterday by the apathy that came after the wagons initially consolidated onto him, which never went away all the way to EoD, as it has zero relation to the Vivax-Falcon shenanigan stuff that happened at EoD but does have every relation with the threadstate getting agitated and shifting around when Vivax was briefly top wagon and stopping as soon as Jack overtook him. If Jack/Vivax was W/W, the threadstate would've continued to agitate until it shifted to Falcon or a fourth option and then become apathetic, either the first time or at EoD when the tie happened

[Inawordyes]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

What interpretation do you give this now that you see Vivax's flip?

My issue is that you strongly ignored the fact that I've been pushing against Falcon all day and was actively campaigning for a vivax vote when with only 8 minutes left in the thread, you voted Falcon, and then interpreted people voting whom hadn't been around for the last hour as evidence that Falcon was bad... rather than... you know... people who hadn't been around for the last hour moving onto the wagon they most believed in.

I believe that you as town will do things like this to get a sense of what is going on, but I don't feel like it was actually done with good faith.

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Can you tell me what your read on me was prior to the flip EoD yesterday? Also tell me your read on Jack for most of yesterday plz.

It's the timing of it that spooked me, you had like 10-15 minutes where Vivax/Joe were tied and nothing was happening. Nobody bats an eye that Vivax ties in the vote, nobody says anything about it and it just sits there and those active talk around it. But immediately as soon as I voted Falcon, there were people saying "no that's a bad vote" and then what looked to me like retaliatory votes for Vivax. But the explanation doesn't matter because of the results in your mind, you've come to the conclusion that something that is incredibly NAI for me (and again, ask Nutella, Hally or Nanook) is actively scummy, and now everything I do is scummy. Do you not realize that the orange is also a very bad faith argument to make? Or do you just not care because you've got an easy mischop?

I don't think it is in bad faith to consider that someone could have done something in their town range, but with a scum agenda. I do love an easy mischop.

You didn't answer any of my three questions, which all are asked in good faith to help me figure out if my suspicion on you is warranted. please address them.

I was too focused on seeing red from your post and my brain mistook the last two as part of a signature, the first one doesn't matter because my interpretation was wrong then so what do you care for what you're inevitably going to see as a scummy take that means nothing good?

To the first one, either the rest of the mafia team besides Vivax wasn't active ITT at EoD (which would be hard to believe) to react to Vivax being tied, or possibly the team had scout results on multiple players on Vivax's wagon being NPC so they didn't care that Vivax was tied because they knew (or otherwise just strongly believed) that he wasn't going to go over because the votecount wasn't actually condemnatory for him. The vote didn't tie though, despite being a 5-4-4, so either nobody on any of the wagons was an NPC (which is obviously false), or each wagon had at least one NPC on them. If Vivax had two NPCs, then Jack and Falcon also had to have 2 NPCs, etc. etc.

I think/thought very strongly that you were town because we were coming to a similar conclusion on Santy and were the most-aligned in pushing that read. It was wrong, but I know I'm town so that doesn't hypocritically make me suddenly read you scummier than me for the same read-fail. I think you're confbiasing yourself now and so convinced of a tunnel that anything I say is going to go over your head and out the window, which is incredibly frustrating as a perception regardless of if it's the reality, and I also cannot say that it hasn't affected how townie I think you are, but I still do not think you are mafia because I was expecting to get pushed for EoD. I just didn't expect it to be you, that took me by surprise

I didn't have a read on Jack initially but started townreading him around the time of the Falcon case for how he was approaching the read. I thought Jack was town and stated that multiple times ITT - specifically when conversing with Nutella, me and Nutella both saw the same problem, we disagreed with who the culprit of said problem was, and I stated more than once that I was townreading Jack in contrast with Nutella who was scumreading him as the problematic one. The initial Jack-Vivax-Falcon kerfuffle shuffle that was happening also increased my confidence in Jack being town when the votes went through Falcon and Vivax and wouldn't stick - but then landed on Jack and just completely stopped moving. As I just explained in my last post, the apathy is in general an extremely good indicator threadstate-wise of someone being a town mischop, and the fact that nobody care about Jack being a wagon all throughout the rest of the day, even as the CW shifted around and eventually overtook Jack as a wagon
I am very convinced that Jack is town, the only thing that would cause me to give any pause is that with Vivax being Mafia PR (and the infinitely-more-important PR of the two), there should've been an effort to push Jack over Vivax at the end to save Vivax since they were otherwise tied. But that again circles back to either VIvax's team wasn't active or they were overconfident in Vivax's wagon having more NPCs than in reality and didn't feel the need to pushback (and that obviously worked out well for them)

[Inawordyes]

I consider it bad faith when you acknowledge that it's in my town range and then turn around and say "but you're mafia so this town thing isn't actually townie for youi"

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Hally
@Neon
@Lumi
@Michelle
@ilario

Yes can I help you my liege