Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[ilario]

iss there anyone who was responsible for vivax dying whose had good reads this game that i can sheep?

FTR, I'm also pushing IAWY, so if you DID want to sheep me, you could vote there.

okay.

[VOTE: inawordyes] aubergine

[Seanzie]

btw
n5 - DeeZees - DZ is a player

whyd u not check me lmao. i was looking forward to the tunnel lol

Because we hit a wolf and I thought examining the counterwagon was more important

Yh oops my bad i was sheeping

Myb jack is wolf too(?)

I don't think so.

[ilario]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: inawordyes] aubergine

[pyxxy]

Spoiler: show

I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track

its me, I am the mafia involved.

you fiend!

No but seriously, the fact that it's consolidating between Jack/Vivax/Falcon, but won't stay Jack/Vivax/Falcon for long, is a pretty decent indication that there's at least one mafia in that trio. Something something Rule of Threes, but the threadstate doesn't lie.

Not just because I already do think Jack is town, but I'm wondering if the wagons consolidating onto Jack and sticking atm actually spews him town? Basically everybody on Jack and Vivax sans pyxxy has been here in the last hour or so, so those votes are actively in flux. If there's mafia involved in this, there's mafia within those voters as they've been the ones directing the vote. Contrast that to Falcon's vote coming down solely to Hally who's AWOL, and Jack himself. Falcon's a point of contention but the wagons are consolidating away from him and towards Jack and Vivax, and initially it was Vivax and then switched to Jack and now Jack is sticking without movement. I don't think the wagons shifting away from Falcon and towards the other two is the greatest look for Falcon, but I'm trying to figure out if it's bad or not that the wagon was highly volatile while he was leading and now it's stagnated once Vivax is no longer the wagon

Actually, [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Who would you vote between Jack/Vivax/Falcon Inawy?

I don't think I vote Jack here, if not for my townread than because I think the threadstate right now is spewing him town because there was a volatile thread, it consolidated onto Jack - and then the thread clammed up. Which is exactly what I talked about earlier wrt mafia caring about the wagons when they're on the line and then relaxing once it falls on not-mafia.

It's just a question of whether to vote for Vivax/Falcon here, but I'm voting Vivax because tie that gives info

I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track

its me, I am the mafia involved.

you fiend!

No but seriously, the fact that it's consolidating between Jack/Vivax/Falcon, but won't stay Jack/Vivax/Falcon for long, is a pretty decent indication that there's at least one mafia in that trio. Something something Rule of Threes, but the threadstate doesn't lie.

Not just because I already do think Jack is town, but I'm wondering if the wagons consolidating onto Jack and sticking atm actually spews him town? Basically everybody on Jack and Vivax sans pyxxy has been here in the last hour or so, so those votes are actively in flux. If there's mafia involved in this, there's mafia within those voters as they've been the ones directing the vote. Contrast that to Falcon's vote coming down solely to Hally who's AWOL, and Jack himself. Falcon's a point of contention but the wagons are consolidating away from him and towards Jack and Vivax, and initially it was Vivax and then switched to Jack and now Jack is sticking without movement. I don't think the wagons shifting away from Falcon and towards the other two is the greatest look for Falcon, but I'm trying to figure out if it's bad or not that the wagon was highly volatile while he was leading and now it's stagnated once Vivax is no longer the wagon

Actually, [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

You need to write this in a more concise manner clone brotha

Wolf hates getting votes. Wolf pack hates wolf getting votes. So wolves howl and try to make other votes happen. Once votes move away from wolf, wolves stop howling and there is silence.

The silence that fell into the thread once Jack became the top wagon is strongly indicative of Jack not being town and Mafia being okay with the chop. The fact that there was 'howling' in the thread beforehand also means that there is at least one wolf amongst the people who were posting and voting in the last hour

Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (2), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
vivax (4): santygrass (95), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (113), Inawordyes (83)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (129), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (2): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (30)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)

hmmm

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (3): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (88)
vivax (3): santygrass (96), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (116)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (33)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)

ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

it's like clockwork haha

The immediate resistance to falcon being the CW while there's apathy for the last 10 minutes while Jack and Vivax are tied for top wagon probably spews the latter two town here I think

ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

it's like clockwork haha

you suggesting falcon is being saved?

I think that the apathy ITT while Jack was top wagon, the apathy in the thread over Vivax being tied for top wagon, and the almost-instantaneous pushback once I tied Falcon is quite telling

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay voting for DeeZees joke over this looks _bad_ bad for IAWY

[VOTE: Inawordyes] aubergine

since I tend to undershare

I'm building off of Nutella's work + Seanzie's work + also assuming here that scum!iawy is making a play to save vivax

as nutella said

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I've been thinking for like 10 minutes on one more question

if this is scum!iawy, can the desire to tie -> move to and push falcon tell us anything about who scum knows is a player?

I can't figure this last part out

Vivax (5): Santygrass, DrWilgy, Seanzie, Michelle, Lumi
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy, nutella, DeeZees, Vivax

looking at the near EOD vote counts from the IAWY posts that Nutella quoted:

Spoiler: show

Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (2), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
vivax (4): santygrass (95), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (113), Inawordyes (83)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (129), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (2): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (30)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)

hmmm

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (3): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (88)
vivax (3): santygrass (96), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (116)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (33)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)

If IAWY is scum, then it would lead that he felt confident that this vivax wagon would lose to the nascent falcon wagon, right?

jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (3): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (88)
vivax (3): santygrass (95), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (113)

things did indeed change in the last 6 minutes after this play, with Hally dropping from falcon and Michelle+Lumi joining on Vivax

Vivax (5): Santygrass, DrWilgy, Seanzie, Michelle, Lumi
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy, nutella, DeeZees, Vivax
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, ilario
falcon45ca (2): Jackofhearts2005, Inawordyes

....yeah there's something here but I just can't put my finger on it

maybe scum felt somewhat confident that there were more players still on the jack wagon at EOD?

and ofc could be wrong about IAWY being scum

[Seanzie]

*pokes thread with a stick*

[ilario]

@Schiavetto i think ur funny, it’ll be sad to see u die to the purge if ur npc.

Carry me town, Ty Ty, I’ll bbl at eod maybe

[Michelle]

Morning!

I retract my tr for Hally, her energy lowered till the scum ramge and the vote at Eod was awful

[VOTE: Inawordyes] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So porscha and neon are confirmed players

I've hard claimed player

[Michelle]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I can help: im 100% a player

To further guide things: im 100% town

Ive aimed for main wagons each day whilst doing fuck all and claiming npc so that i can work out players later. I also thought wolves would try n avoid main wagons (to out as players slower) so thought would be a good idea to boost late game town cred

I also voted Vivax, the wolf pr, on the day where there was 1 vote off the wolf pr being in a tie. Wolves wont have known how close it was so imo bussin the pr wolf is awlways dumb wolf move and should clear me

Also vivax reverse spew and what seanzie says

What did I say? You might be thinking of Wilgy.

Yes wigly.

Also, ilario, seanzie is charitable and shares the love here so sheep him for his good vibes

Do we have a town list?

Neon (100%)
Porscha (100%)
Etc.

Player list*

You were right the first time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I've been wrong on everything so let's just keep being wrong lol

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

But also I still don't trust nutella actually.

[Hally]

gj with the lunch yesterday gang

wish i had pursued my pings on vivax more but oh well

gonna be with family this entire weekend plus monday too so don’t expect much from me this day

just sheep the people who lunched vivax imo, glgl

[Inawordyes]

Pain, extreme pain

[Inawordyes]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

[Inawordyes]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6772 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (29), nutella (25), pyxxy (11), ilario (7), Seanzie (18), Michelle (2)
Not Voting (5): MacDougall (1), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (1), Hally (1), Inawordyes (2)
nutella (1): Neon (3)

[nutella]

real classic weathervane moment but i might be swayed by that post

[nutella]

idk what to do

honestly dz's defense about not bussing vivax felt kinda slimy/overwrought/prepared to me but maybe thats dumb

[Ricochet]

Ahh, your worship, allow me to be of use. Other than the puppets, there are some very fine things up here.

[ilario]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

i miss you too michelle! <3

consider me your second voter as well as seanzies second voter

[Manny]

was gonna say santy was lock!town after the lfip but lmao santy dead

[Manny]

also i lost both santy and SK in 24hs big sad.

[MacDougall]

Changed my mind. I like the script. Fuck the poll.

[Porscha]

Solid votes on iawy gamers I'll leave you to it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

O.o

[Porscha]

o.O

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

UwU

[DeeZees]

Changed my mind. I like the script. Fuck the poll.

Power to the ppl

Nut you r wrong

[Manny]

UwU

OwO

[Michelle]

people keep saying theres a npc in me and jack, so if knowing this information helps ur view of the game ill just out rn that im a player. i dont really intend to do much until all the npcs die, and maybe some more people on top of that.

And i wanted so much to play with you again...

i miss you too michelle! <3

consider me your second voter as well as seanzies second voter

You know what to say to pocket me

[Michelle]

Some wagons constructions will help here, to check in the previous days the votes on Vivax.
I will do it later in the day though

glad Mac gave up at the poll, the script is really useful.

I have a theory but I keep it for myself for now.

Have a beautiful Sunday everyone

[Manny]

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine

[Manny]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6769 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (30), nutella (27), pyxxy (11), ilario (8), Seanzie (18), Michelle (4)
Not Voting (6): MacDougall (5), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (2), Hally (1), Inawordyes (3), Porscha (2)
nutella (1): Neon (5)
manny (1): Manny (4)

[Manny]

is that maj lmfao?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

UwU

OwO

YwY

[Porscha]

I think mac said no maj this game but maybe I misremembered and too lazy to check

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'd assume no maj when we can't be certain who is real and who's not. Since it could just like instantly confirm players.

[Ricochet]

I beg you, grant me a seat at the table of the dynasty.

[Seanzie]

it seems like iawy's vivax vote that tied vivax with jack was a risk but a calculated one that worked out for his agenda if he's a wolf and wanted to make the argument he made

I think it's clear that IAWY never intended to keep their vote there.

I understand why I'm a wagon atm, but you straight-up don't know what you're talking about Sean. Several players still alive can vouch that this is my playstyle, this is what I regularly do. Nobody cared about Vivax being a wagon until Vivax wasn't a wagon anymore, just like nobody cared about Jack being top wagon the moment things consolidated onto him - from Vivax, I might add, which I already had pointed out. The threadstate painted a very clear picture of what was going on - or so I thought - and I moved because what it was telling me was that Vivax was not a hit there. I was wrong, I look scummy for it, and that sucks a whole lot for me, boo hoo oh well, but I am sick and tired of people constantly misconstruing the way I play to push me on it and then say that 'it's clear' that I have an agenda for doing what I always do in mafia games

That is my SoD rant for the night, I am going to bed and I will be here tomorrow

What interpretation do you give this now that you see Vivax's flip?

My issue is that you strongly ignored the fact that I've been pushing against Falcon all day and was actively campaigning for a vivax vote when with only 8 minutes left in the thread, you voted Falcon, and then interpreted people voting whom hadn't been around for the last hour as evidence that Falcon was bad... rather than... you know... people who hadn't been around for the last hour moving onto the wagon they most believed in.

I believe that you as town will do things like this to get a sense of what is going on, but I don't feel like it was actually done with good faith.

------------------------------------------

Can you tell me what your read on me was prior to the flip EoD yesterday? Also tell me your read on Jack for most of yesterday plz.

[Seanzie]

@Hally
@Neon
@Lumi
@Michelle
@ilario

[Michelle]

@Hally
@Neon
@Lumi
@Michelle
@ilario

Watching the football finale, i will be here afer

[Ricochet]

There's a myriad of battle arts in these lands that I've yet to discover.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am once again asking you to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm aware I'm in a tunnel but im also aware I'm correct so neener neener

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Neon is based, good job neon

[Seanzie]

I am once again asking you to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Okay boomer.

[Lumi]

Day 6 Vote Count
SoD: #6768 EoD: #0

inawordyes (7): Lumi (7), DeeZees (30), nutella (27), pyxxy (11), ilario (8), Seanzie (21), Michelle (5)
Not Voting (6): MacDougall (6), DrWilgy (2), Ricochet (4), Hally (1), Inawordyes (3), Porscha (3)
nutella (2): Neon (7), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (3)
manny (1): Manny (6)

[Lumi]

If the person we chop today is an NPC or the person the wolves night kill tonight is an NPC - then we should turbo schia tomorrow.

We'll be on the wrong parity and will need to sleep anyway, so we might as well make the sleep have some wolf equity in it.

If either both the chop + NK are NPCs or neither, then don't turbo Schia, just keep playing normally and wait for the purge

[Lumi]

If the person we chop today is an NPC or the person the wolves night kill tonight is an NPC - then we should turbo schia tomorrow.

We'll be on the wrong parity and will need to sleep anyway, so we might as well make the sleep have some wolf equity in it.

If either both the chop + NK are NPCs or neither, then don't turbo Schia, just keep playing normally and wait for the purge

@DeeZees
@nutella
@Seanzie
@Michelle
@ilario

[nutella]

I'm aware I'm in a tunnel but im also aware I'm correct so neener neener

you arent buddy lol