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[DeeZees]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

soz lil

[santygrass]

Vivax this Vivax that.
Get yourself a butler and kindly bugger off already.
Stalker shadow of Santygrass

No, since I want town to win and you acting this way isnt pro-town .

So, if you are town I want you to explain what are you doing. So instead of being dismissive could you explain why the dismissal of all my reads that you said you agreed with to do your vote?

[santygrass]

Lily is a good vote yh

[nutella]

but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

I believe the script would have caught it as a vote for "ran" which mac would have removed as invalid.

[santygrass]

Actually

[VOTE: Ran] aubergine

Like, at what point where I'm like "help this make sense to me, help this make sense to me" and the response is the above is town sided?

I....I think this vote got missed in the D3 count. Someone help me as I'm still newish to Syndicate.

Here's what Mac posted, I assumed it was the final D3 vote counts, maybe I'm wrong?

drwilgy (6): nutella (84), EnderWiggin (37), Vivax (53), Jackofhearts2005 (18), ilario (16), SilverKeith (9)
ranmilia (4): iaafr (55), Porscha (47), Neon (32), Lilypetal (40)
nutella (2): katze (74), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20)
vivax (3): santygrass (124), Ranmilia (94), DeeZees (30)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
lilypetal (1): Hally (68)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (29)
rondodimbuckle (1): Michelle (73)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (9), Lumi (45), c4e5g3d5 (3), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (7), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)

That's at Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:14 pm (my time).

DrWigly ISO - search.php?author_id=429&t=2451 (I clicked the replies thingy on the thread name, is that doing it correctly?)

shows a vote for Ranmilia at Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:25 am (my time).

Actually

[VOTE: Ran] aubergine

Like, at what point where I'm like "help this make sense to me, help this make sense to me" and the response is the above is town sided?

Am I missing something like Wigly unvoting somewhere or did the script miss it or did Mac miss it?

Ran is not a valid vote would be my guess

They didnt spell the name correctly

but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

e.g. maybe the script was wrong

Mac erased the non valid votes from the script is what I am thinking , the script doesnt seem to be buggy in other votecounts with names mispelled, but in the final vc there isnt a single misspelled name there so thats what I think that happened. Or makes more sense at least

[DeeZees]

Lily is a good vote yh

Why?

some accountability on my vote

[santygrass]

@Vivax @Neon @DeeZees @ilario

I think two of those are NPC's and one is scum so gl with that santy lmao.

Who are your scumreads Manny? Owo

[DeeZees]

bunch of nerds in this thread.

I want to put your heads in the toilets and give you wet willies

[DeeZees]

do I have to produce content to have ppl talk to me

[santygrass]

Lily is a good vote yh

Why?

some accountability on my vote

Me not finding Lily towny thus far is a crime.

And like, I think their solving and pushes seem to be lacking a lot. It could be explained by Lily just being overwhelmed with Npcs at first / busy tbh, but at the same time I have more reasons to townread other people, and from the other people I sus they have more NPC Equity, which makes Lily the better yeet .

Like, their Porscha townread or sus on Neon just feels very shallow and with no impact in their approach almost, idk how to express it well but yeah, lacking stuff from Lily that makes me sure they are town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let's yeet Lumi if they can't make a better vote counter.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That's how you get stuff done.

[Manny]

Who are your scumreads Manny? Owo

I think Neon is scum, or scumsiding NPC, or scumsiding townie, something with scum in it.

[santygrass]

Players

DrWilg > Town
Enderwiggin > Town
Lilypetal > Leaning Scum
Michelle > Town
Nanook > Town
Neon > Null Leaning Scum
Nutella > Town
Porscha > Town
Santygrass > Town

Player-ish vibes

Falconc45a > Null
Seanzie > Town unless cc'ed
Vivax > Leaning Scum

Npc-ish vibes

Hally > Towny
Ilario > Null leaning scum
Inawy > Null
Jack > Null leaning scum
Pyxxy > Null leaning scum
Ricochet > Probably cleared by Dizzy kill methinks
Sprityo > Null

Should be NPC

DeZees > Scum if not NPC
Lumi > Town if not NPC tbh
Manny > Scum if not NPC
Schiavetto > SCUM if not NPC
Silverkeith > Null with Skill Issue


I dont know if I forgot anyone , hopefully not. Feel free to ask for a read on a player which is not 'null' . I think I have most of my reads kinds explained but I know people wont read my ISO and Im lazy and dont want to explain every read

Dz this is kindof my view atm too if you want to help me sort out some stuff too

[Manny]

Let's yeet Lumi if they can't make a better vote counter.

yeet jack for attacking the masonry :sadcat:

[santygrass]

Who are your scumreads Manny? Owo

I think Neon is scum, or scumsiding NPC, or scumsiding townie, something with scum in it.

I think they have a very player-like approach to the game. Not so sure about them being scum , but also I know that some of my gripe with Neon is disagreeing in fundamental things in how to.... Engage? Play? Idk the correct verb here but that could be just playstyle disagreements that I think are prowolf but doesnt make them a wolf.

But then them making statements like 'Im being pushed for bad reasons' without any actual reassesing on how they were approaching this game make me squint a lot. But again idk if that is an alignment indicative squint wowee

[santygrass]

Who are your scumreads Manny? Owo

I think Neon is scum, or scumsiding NPC, or scumsiding townie, something with scum in it.

I think they have a very player-like approach to the game. Not so sure about them being scum , but also I know that some of my gripe with Neon is disagreeing in fundamental things in how to.... Engage? Play? Idk the correct verb here but that could be just playstyle disagreements that I think are prowolf but doesnt make them a wolf.

But then them making statements like 'Im being pushed for bad reasons' without any actual reassesing on how they were approaching this game make me squint a lot. But again idk if that is an alignment indicative squint wowee

Also if you take Seanzie claim at face value, I think Seanzie is town scout and votes Neon cuz they know they are a player too fwiw

[DeeZees]

Let's yeet Lumi if they can't make a better vote counter.

hey, its the Nelson Muntz to my Jimbo

[DeeZees]

Lily is a good vote yh

Why?

some accountability on my vote

Me not finding Lily towny thus far is a crime.

And like, I think their solving and pushes seem to be lacking a lot. It could be explained by Lily just being overwhelmed with Npcs at first / busy tbh, but at the same time I have more reasons to townread other people, and from the other people I sus they have more NPC Equity, which makes Lily the better yeet .

Like, their Porscha townread or sus on Neon just feels very shallow and with no impact in their approach almost, idk how to express it well but yeah, lacking stuff from Lily that makes me sure they are town

Cool, call me sheep baaa baaa

[Vivax]

Vivax this Vivax that.
Get yourself a butler and kindly bugger off already.
Stalker shadow of Santygrass

No, since I want town to win and you acting this way isnt pro-town .

So, if you are town I want you to explain what are you doing. So instead of being dismissive could you explain why the dismissal of all my reads that you said you agreed with to do your vote?

First time I played with Ender he was confident and didn‘t give a damn whether he got yeeted or not.
Getting misnabbed was rather proof of unreadability other than anything else.

Like a little lesson on the inability of collectives to not be misled.

When you do a D1 role claim and live through 2 phases as unCCd PR you‘re either a mafia who didn‘t bait a CC while expecting early heat or NPC trying to catch a bullet.
And if you‘re town deleter you should expect your word to carry more weight and act accordingly which is not on display either.

Your line of questioning isn‘t productive as it just forces me to talk about myself rather than pointing out what makes people mafia.

[Lumi]

but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

I believe the script would have caught it as a vote for "ran" which mac would have removed as invalid.

This is what happened,

the output for Day 3 was:

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #5097

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (13), Lumi (45), c4e5g3d5 (3), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (7), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (6): SilverKeith (9), nutella (84), Vivax (53), ilario (16), EnderWiggin (37), Jackofhearts2005 (18)
ranmilia (4): iaafr (55), Porscha (47), Neon (32), Lilypetal (40)
vivax (3): DeeZees (30), santygrass (124), Ranmilia (94)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20), katze (74)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
ran (1): DrWilgy (21)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
lilypetal (1): Hally (68)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (22)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (29)
rondodimbuckle (1): Michelle (73)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)



"ran" isn't a player a so Mac removed it /shrug

[Vivax]

Could also yeet DZ for no particular reason.
While I suspect that the actual deleter is on Ender and I‘d guess it‘s Ilario who has some pairing equity with DZ in case Ender‘s town based on how he latched onto him iirc while asking around for the alignment.

[santygrass]

You really think not dying despite roleclaiming is damning?? Like wtf there is a LOT of people to kill specially here.

And when I make my point on my list you said you agreed with it.

And like, voting Ender were 3 slots. Neon,Ilario and Dezees.

Neon already said that they arent cc'ing and they only made a joke .
Dezees hardclaimed NPC .

So that only leaves Ilario, and them doesnt feel like they are cc'ing or pushing them strongly and I think they even said they could be NPC and Fakeclaiming in their read? Like its not a push still.


And I am talking to you because I think the vote is bad and 'talking about yourself' is something that helps people figure out your alignment. Like, why did you ay to agree with my reads and then made a vote that were in a totally opposite direction from them even ignoring blatant stuff like the npc claim from dezees.

[Lumi]

Let's yeet Lumi if they can't make a better vote counter.

The vote counter hasn't had a single bug when it comes to counting votes yet, the only issues have been people not knowing how to copy + paste



You have to spell it right on MU, shouldn't be any more difficult for this! (A feature which has a list of players that you can click to insert it directly into your post could be added if people think that would be helpful)

[Lumi]

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (22), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (4): santygrass (60), nutella (29), Michelle (39), DeeZees (25)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (53)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
falcon (2): Hally (42), Jackofhearts2005 (23)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (38)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (17)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

[Vivax]

It‘s not me you need to convince dude.
Just the smorgasbord of other folks keeping their heads low.

[santygrass]

You are voting Ender, which I think is a town slot. I am explaining why I think your vote is both bad + not consistent with your previous view.

Why would I need to convince other people when I want YOU to unvote to kill that wagon? LoL

[santygrass]

Lile, you even had the read of people going low being more probable scum , plus this sassy coment with regards to people doing low content. Yet you are voting one of the thread top posters + claimed town PR . Ender should NOT be the yeet today /shrug

[Vivax]

Lily is likely wolfsiding NPC. I‘m not eating that bait tyvm.
If an actual wolf started out by wolfclaiming I‘d eat my hat and poop rainbows.

You‘re exceedingly more likely to find em in the sneaksters. I‘m not particularly in the mood to go dumpster diving in a fire atm and you‘re not helping.

[Michelle]

I think i let my vote where it is and go to sleep.

If i am alive tomorrow I have more time to play

[santygrass]

I am saying that you unvote Ender. I didnt say that you vote with me.

And the wolfclaim from Lily is a joke that they could easily make as any alignment so you shouldnt read into that but you do you. Why trust the player who has played more with Lily and has more knowledge of how Lily plays that you are also townreading so you dont have a reason to not trust

[Lumi]

Town seems kind of screwed this game ngl

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Glad to see my eye for setup balance was right

Sucks for town though, the premise of this game is cool.

[Michelle]

Town seems kind of screwed this game ngl

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Glad to see my eye for setup balance was right

Sucks for town though, the premise of this game is cool.

No, we need just a wolf flip

And to make a town consensus without uselss accusations

[Manny]

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Seems like a skill issue on town's behalf, imagine not having WIM as town, couldnt be me. (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[DrWilgy]

!votecount

[Lumi]

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (24), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (4): santygrass (63), nutella (29), Michelle (41), DeeZees (25)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (55)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
falcon (2): Hally (42), Jackofhearts2005 (23)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (39)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (18)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

[Vivax]

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Seems like a skill issue on town's behalf, imagine not having WIM as town, couldnt be me. (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[Hally]

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

should die over ender always

[Hally]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

for the bot

[DrWilgy]

i’m not actually sure if neon’s reaction is wolf indicative

it’s frustrating and antitown but not sure if it’s wolfy

can you talk to me about why you read it that way? @Lilypetal too

I recently played vs w!neon in Sabi's Invitational on MU and that type of response is kinda what I expect out of her as a wolf. I think she can still be a villager here but I'm just disliking how she went about reacting because it's like..really defensive

Just felt like her wolf game

does she not also get defensive as a villager?

It's more of like how defensive she got comparatively to like what was said. feel like as a villager she'd be like whatever

???

I disagree here. We've seen Neon becomes invested and respond in this manner as both alignment.

[Lilypetal]

apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

[Lumi]

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (25), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (5): santygrass (63), nutella (29), Michelle (41), DeeZees (25), Hally (44)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (56)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (39)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (19)
falcon (1): Jackofhearts2005 (23)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

[DrWilgy]

do u rly think im a wolf or are u just omgusing at me?

Do i think you are wolf? No.

Do i think you are wolfy? Yes.

highlight what's wolfy please

You voted Ran with no reason of your own. I did too lolz but you attacked my position on ran despite being similarly on Ran for bad reasons

You have said things about my play that are NAI are AI which I feel you should know

1) Incorrect, I was criticizing your reaction to being voted and your overly defensive posts towards Hally. As someone who voted Ran for no reason other than sheeping the girls ( and a bit of omgus cuz i was having a bad day lmao ), I personally know I was in the wrong. It's whatever. So your reaction felt kinda meh in comparison to how I was personally feeling.

2) Nothing is NAI. As you learn more about someone's play you get an idea of how they play as different alignments. Even if I'm wrong here your current play feels more indicative of your wolf game to me. Happens

Something I'd like to point out about this one: if a wolf is preemptively setting up for the "oops if I'm wrong" I don't think it's done like this.

A vibe check between two slots that a player feels is like:like I think is very valid, especially when the like:like is self focused.

[pyxxy]

but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

I believe the script would have caught it as a vote for "ran" which mac would have removed as invalid.

This is what happened,

the output for Day 3 was:

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #5097

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (13), Lumi (45), c4e5g3d5 (3), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (7), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (6): SilverKeith (9), nutella (84), Vivax (53), ilario (16), EnderWiggin (37), Jackofhearts2005 (18)
ranmilia (4): iaafr (55), Porscha (47), Neon (32), Lilypetal (40)
vivax (3): DeeZees (30), santygrass (124), Ranmilia (94)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20), katze (74)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
ran (1): DrWilgy (21)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
lilypetal (1): Hally (68)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (22)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (29)
rondodimbuckle (1): Michelle (73)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)



"ran" isn't a player a so Mac removed it /shrug

okay, ty everyone for helping me out >.<

just feels like an important note that wigly OMGUS voted for ranmilia

besides the fact which could have influenced the outcome if not for being invalid, if wigly is a player

[DrWilgy]

apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

Lily, interact with me. I think you are lost town and I'd like to help you get a foot down, you've done the same for me.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

feel like it's a w!neon abusing the apathy of the game to blend in

not much going on there lol

[Hally]

i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

[Lilypetal]

apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

Lily, interact with me. I think you are lost town and I'd like to help you get a foot down, you've done the same for me.

sup, who do you want to talk about?

[DrWilgy]

what do u all think of jack? i just skimmed his iso and he looks almost too obviously wolfy

Detail me on this.

Earlier today Jack broke character and provided some thoughts I found relevant. What do you think on those?

[Hally]

i don’t really think wilgy is a wolf anymore fwiw

not really an ironclad read by any means though