Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[nutella]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

yeah ok

[nutella]

he also talks about whether porscha has a volume or vibe tell later idk the vibes are that Something Is Up

[Michelle]

Ranmila misinterpreted my posts and game intention in the case she made against me.

I read overnight my own Iso. There is no way someone could see it as a refusal to help town and stuff she said.

Not to mention in the game are many players blatantly refusing interactions, reads, posting, and yet she only saw me as antitown and disrespectful. Later she brushed off this saying 'we' wagon Ender now..

Now, I read Wilgy's Iso. His way of posting is always scummy so he is mischopped a lot. What is 'generally wolfy' or 'generally towny' doesn't match with his play.
I gave myself a reason for him to be town and the Eod post ranmila said is wolfy is NaI.

I start to doubt Ranmila make the cases in good faith so i retract my previous town read.


I see Nut voted Wilgy. Why @nutella ?

[nutella]

the reasons ran gave in 4347 about his eod popins and stuff and i also opened his iso myself and thought some stuff was sketchy as said above re porscha mentions

[nutella]

also ilario is probably town?

[Michelle]

the reasons ran gave in 4347 about his eod popins and stuff and i also opened his iso myself and thought some stuff was sketchy as said above re porscha mentions

Why isn't that vibe read from a town or npc?

[Michelle]

I don't think I saw you so happy to sheep someone instead making your own reads Nut

[nutella]

Now, I read Wilgy's Iso. His way of posting is always scummy so he is mischopped a lot. What is 'generally wolfy' or 'generally towny' doesn't match with his play.
I gave myself a reason for him to be town and the Eod post ranmila said is wolfy is NaI.

i understand this pov and am cautious about wilgy/thought he could just be town in his particular weird way but i definitely see where ran is coming from, the eod stuff and the way he's stated reads feels like it can come from a position of tmi

dont be fooled just bc he was defending you and scotty, it looked like it might be agendaed posturing

[nutella]

I don't think I saw you so happy to sheep someone instead making your own reads Nut

fucking 50 player mash ass game i can do what ever the fuck i want and i read the iso myself anyway which is the most effort ive given in the game so far so shut the fuck up please holy shit

[nutella]

you have been nothing but rude and dismissive all game i have a fucking life i am not putting effort into this until it's reasonable to do so

[nutella]

i will not be interacting with you further because i only get frustrated with your tone and approach but i think you are town. maybe we can reach some agreements on reads eventually

[nutella]

i am frustrated for reasons that do not belong in the game thread, sorry for yelling

[nutella]

there should not be any votes on nanook please @iaafr @Manny @Michelle i trust all of you but do not think that is a good choice.

[nutella]

and @Scotty ig

[nutella]

we let nanook live til endgame to be the schrodinger's town thorn in my side that is simply the way of things

[santygrass]

there should not be any votes on nanook please @iaafr @Manny @Michelle i trust all of you but do not think that is a good choice.

[santygrass]

Oops. I agree.
I think Ran read of nook has a good point and Im okay with leaving nanook be tbh

[Hally]

michelle and nut, neither of you are wolves

[Vivax]

I‘ll sheep nutella, seems to be the most informed in certain aspects and she’s coming in swinging I like that. Can understand Santy‘s frustration but he‘ll come around (going for a townread atm). Or maybe skill issue.

Only partially unlocked/witnessed three abilities so far el oh el. Maybe four.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Hally]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

this is fine

likely player and not villagery afaict

[Manny]

I miss manny

im always alive on the hearts of the people

[Manny]

there should not be any votes on nanook please @iaafr @Manny @Michelle i trust all of you but do not think that is a good choice.

My vote doesnt actually count and its mostly there as a joke, idk about rabbit and michelle.

[Ranmilia]

Do Not Wish To Yeet (no particular order, copying things around from alphabetical list)
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C4 - no content, claimed NPC and willingness to self-cull, I'll believe it for today
Chelsea - scumread Michelle, wagoned d1, little presence otherwise. Some wolf equity, more NPC equity, not someone I'm interested in today.
Creature - actively playing, can trace his thoughts decently, town in my eyes.
Ender - Taking the claim at face value for today.
Guillo - Pretty obviously NPC and I think the scattered thoughts he's given are protown, but if he's alive tomorrow then sure w/e always oblige a self voter.
Iaafr - Not a wolf.
Ilario - I've vibed with his thoughts. Like that he went straight on Wilgy today before I got in thread.
Jack - Actively playing, has some wolf equity but no desire to vote here today.
Katze - Semi actively playing. I've liked their thoughts. Don't see a reason to push.
Jjj - 0 content minposter, presumed NPC, probably doesn't make those kills. KILL HIM IMMEDIATELY IF HE'S ALIVE ON DAY 8 though.
Lumi - claimed NPC, made a vote script, good enough for now.
Manny - See Guillo but is less loud about the self vote.
Marmot - is cohost.
Nanook - Doesn't make those kills and lurk with 0 content, in my eyes. Revisit if he's alive lategame.
Nutella - Semi actively playing, don't see a reason to push.
Ranmilia - Anata no, terebi ni, Jika-netto Ranmilia! Mi-n-na no, yoku no tomo~!
Santy - Taking claim and townyness at face value for today, given Manny's retraction and his increased presence.
Scotty - Still townread this given events and eod positioning and knowledge of my own alignment, will take the L if wrong. Maybe I should say I scumread him to reverse psychology people into defending him.
Silverkeith - is sheeping me, which is the right and good move for town to win
Sloonei - see JJJ but with more protown equity. Still kill if alive on day 8.

:fryeyes: Zone
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DeZees - hasn't done much. I don't have much of a read here, looking at others to weigh in.
Dyslexicon - Some concern, didn't seem very horny. Don't think I want to go here today though.
G-Man - Near 0 content, but created an ISO list which earns him survival for now.
Hally - Pretty obviously NPC but if they're not... well, our playstyles don't mesh well and I haven't liked their takes. Not a push for today though.
Vivax - Evasively low content, wouldn't hate pushing here. Does seem to be playing the game though.

Would Vote Zone
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Falcon - 0 content minposter. Shrugze.
Inawy - Showed up yesterday and then didn't take up my offer to participate at all, no objections to pushing here.
Lilypetal - 0 content, claimed wolf, on the shortlist for slots I want to kill.
Porscha - Very little content. In the recent MU Hydra Game 3 I was able to easily find the lilypetal/porscha hydra as town by mid day 1 from spec chat, even though the thread consensus wolfread them. In this game I do not find much townyness in either of them. Hence they make my to-kill list.
DrWilg - Fits the top profile of what I'm looking for as a wolf
Michelle - Several people I trust as decent players, including two dead (though fairly quiet NPCs) have called her wolf. She started playing more yesterday but I'm not particularly sold. I don't enjoy people getting mad though so I don't plan to actively push there today.
Neon - No real content. Vibes more NPC to me but no objections to voting here.
Pyxyy - 0 content minposter. No objections to yeeting.
Ricochet - 0 content minposter. No objections to yeeting. The "voted Sloonei" shield has expired with the revelation that mafia can't find real players.
Seanzie - 0 content minposter, tutuu died actively scumreading, #respectthedead
Schiavetto - 0 content, wolfy poppins, eminently yeetable
Sprityo - 0 content minposter, the "voted Radishes" shield is mostly expired

[Ranmilia]

Reading what I missed while making that I see nutella posted the same list and is also tilted, sending ghosthugs

[nutella]

yeah i vibe entirely with that sort except would put michelle dizzy and hally in top section

[Hally]

been working on my own list just for myself and it’s pretty similar except for michelle

[Ranmilia]

Reminder to not take my scumreads personally, you're all wonderful.

LGBT Mafia never forget though. Squeeze Hally until the kaomoji appears.

[Ranmilia]

I think there is scum activity *around* Michelle for sure. It may not be Michelle herself, there are a lot of possibilities still, Ender could be running the fake claim etc etc. Probably not something we're dealing with today. But just saying.

Would really love to hear from Nanook and the other people who actively scumread Michelle in the earlygame though. The troublesome thing about that is that several of them have died or claimed NPC so the "townreads Michelle" faction has dominated threadspace lately. Not that I regret killing HK but really wish he'd posted more.

[Ranmilia]

Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

[Hally]

DeZees
DrWilg
Falcon
Lily
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie

all of these people have high player equity by virtue of being syndicate regulars and/or people who currently play a lot of games

they’ve all skated by with little scrutiny despite doing ~nothing villagery or pro town that i can see

[Hally]

i took scotty and nanook out even though i’m not as sold on them

but willing to defer to nut/ran/others since at least they’ve been discussed

[Vivax]

Wilgy not licking anyone is off the known meta.
Worst case he‘s NPC. But I‘d wager many of those try to appear like they are not.

I‘m comfy just following the votes either of RANMILLA, nutsella or Santygass around for now.

Struggling with lateral encephalitis atm so my posting seems willy wonky probably.

[Hally]

who are ricochet and pyxxy? only people itg i don’t recognize at all

[Michelle]

i am frustrated for reasons that do not belong in the game thread, sorry for yelling

I am sorry to hear that

i will not be interacting with you further because i only get frustrated with your tone and approach but i think you are town. maybe we can reach some agreements on reads eventually

I agree you reading the Iso is villagery and i said what I said because I don't trust ranmila and I prefer your own takes. I am sorry if it came out with a bad tone, in my head sounded different

you have been nothing but rude and dismissive all game i have a fucking life i am not putting effort into this until it's reasonable to do so

I am expressing my thoughts directly, is this rude?
I will not talk to you/about you if that’s bothering you so much

[Michelle]

Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

Like the fact the kill of TSP has no link to me, you being alive is the same.
You should not clear me, or no one else, based on Wifom

Actually i am curious, what game experience you have?

[Michelle]

who are ricochet and pyxxy? only people itg i don’t recognize at all

Both names without game impact from what i saw.

[nutella]

DeZees
DrWilg
Falcon
Lily
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie

all of these people have high player equity by virtue of being syndicate regulars and/or people who currently play a lot of games

they’ve all skated by with little scrutiny despite doing ~nothing villagery or pro town that i can see

++++++++

[nutella]

who are ricochet and pyxxy? only people itg i don’t recognize at all

rico is a really old school syndicate dude he's quite cool, played anni g4 and that was his first game in years

pyxxy is a friend of sabi from another site, played anni g2

[falcon45ca]

So, what's actually happening this game?

[nutella]

i am frustrated for reasons that do not belong in the game thread, sorry for yelling

I am sorry to hear that

i will not be interacting with you further because i only get frustrated with your tone and approach but i think you are town. maybe we can reach some agreements on reads eventually

I agree you reading the Iso is villagery and i said what I said because I don't trust ranmila and I prefer your own takes. I am sorry if it came out with a bad tone, in my head sounded different

you have been nothing but rude and dismissive all game i have a fucking life i am not putting effort into this until it's reasonable to do so

I am expressing my thoughts directly, is this rude?
I will not talk to you/about you if that’s bothering you so much

no ur good sorry

[Vivax]

So, what's actually happening this game?

Flying spaghetti monster abducting cheeky pastafarians

[Ranmilia]

Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

Like the fact the kill of TSP has no link to me, you being alive is the same.
You should not clear me, or no one else, based on Wifom

Actually i am curious, what game experience you have?

I mostly follow and study MU Champs and "srs tryhard" games. Followed MU and Syndicate events closely starting from Champs season 7. Top or tied for top accuracy in the champs n1 guesses over all three seasons (to the best of my knowledge, among players who actively read the games and did them). I play rarely but put in pretty good performances when I do. You can reference Congress of Vienna for a wolfgame and the most recent Spec Chat Invitational for a town game.

I am familiar with you in particular having witnessed your evolution from a polarized player in champs s7 to a much more well rounded wolfgame in Swag City Invitational (that game's underestimating you until endgame is a big reason I'm not writing you off here!)

[Ranmilia]

(I hate talking about myself like that because I think it sounds arrogant but I've learned current mafia culture seems to desire it so.)

[falcon45ca]

So, what's actually happening this game?

Flying spaghetti monster abducting cheeky pastafarians

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Ranmilia]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

[Sloonei]

Seanzie my #2 choice as of right now. Other candidates include lilypetal, porcha, neon, ricochet, maybe schiavetto but realistically not over those others.
Don't think Nanook or Guillo are good votes.
Still townread Scotty but the suspicion there is already "see if Ranmilia is wrong" so shrugze.
No longer wish to eliminate Santy or Ender barring further developments.

That’s a biiiig salad

[Guillotine]

C4 - outed npc
Chelsea - likely npc
Creature - town?
DeeZees - player, null
DrWilgy - wolf?
Dyslexicon - town
Ender - town pass for now
Falcon - null
G-Man - tbh gonna say town
Guillo - npc
Hally - npc
Iaafr - npc
Ilario - player, null
IAWY - town?
Jack - town?
Jjj - npc
Katze - npc
Lily - null
Lumi - modbot
Manny - town
Marmot - mod
Michelle - town atp
Nanook - town
Neon - slight wolf
Nutella - town:)
Porscha - slight town
Pyxxy - null
Ranmilia - npc but town
Ricochet - kinda wolfy
Rondo - town for now ig
Santy - town
Scotty - town
Seanzie - wolfy
Schiavetto - wolfy
Silverkeith - town npc
Sloonei - npc
Sprityo - null
Vivax - dadaist sage


def still far from able to narrow down pl and a lot are pretty null without looking into isos but here are some snap reads a few of which might be based on anything

Actually im a wolf

[Michelle]

Let's see who is defending me and why, and who is accusing me and why.

I started the game being extremely busy, so I can't blame TSP for thinking i am bad. However the votes from HK and Nanook are both bad. They know how busy I am so me low posting shouldn't be so important for them.

Their meta suspicion, if based on post count, is bad and outdated.

Other suspicion came from Chelsea and i don't know the reason but we rarely play together and our previous game wasn't recent.

Another came from ranmila because she was sheeping the others and took personal the fact i said i don't care about her and Chelsea's votes. For me that meant i don't trust their reads regardless alignament but the way i worded wasn't the best.

Iaafr was on the fence and pushed me, receiving my insta vote and his reaction changed my first take.

After this nutella sheeped ranmila and I considered that suspicious

I didn't read if there were another players suspecting me, Creature just voted me iirc but i forgot why.

There isn't a single player above who asked me anything before labeling me as wolf.

Now who TR me:
- Ender, in a moment when I was pushed and the thread was against me. Defending a villager may be a way to receive town read, but what wolf is doing it so openly and against the grain? That gave me a TR for him. Ender knows me well, we played a team game at MU together and he has a good read on me since then.

- Golden, we recently played the game 1 and we were wolves together. He noticed and shared a difference in my play. He is one of the flipped players who witnessed first hand my latest meta.

- wilgy played that game as well, he also TR me without feeling like a false thought

- Dizzy knows me very well, i am not surprised about the read

I can accept TRs from all these people without suspecting them of pocketing attempts.

- illario TRs me. He keeps his cards close to the chest so i can't give a read about him. He is one of the few players who read me well since we wolfed together and knows he can't misread me without rising suspicion as wolf, or he is just town/npc shading a correct read.

- SilverKeith TR me. I can't read him.

When Ranmila says there are wolves around me, that may be, i can't say anything else that I have a lot of people around me and maybe tomorrow if i am alive I can think at them. But also if anyone wants to go into this direction, please tell me if you consider I am wrong in anything i said above



Reading the post from Ranmila I get the spectator feeling, and I understand she read my games and have a personal opinion about my meta. Because of that I don't understand why you had to sheep the others regarding my slot.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

I kinda don't really buy a lot of nutella's frustration from eod1 as genuine, I forgot about it but her recent outburst reminded me

And im willing to defer to your Michelle read for a bit at least, given mine is pretty lazy