Gym Class Mafia D7

[Cape90]

I can get behind the early good vibes on Mr. Marmot

It's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)

Again, this hardly makes sense to me. How does saying "tbh lol" signify some kind of thought process that Marmot has?

[Shending_Help]

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine


tbh lol

Wagon me more, it fuels me

Does it?

in the 2 games we've played together (FAM and the lightgame) it hasn't felt like you're one of the players who thrive of getting pushed and read people based on their handling of you. So... I'm not sure I believe this? Wanna talk about your mindset here?

[Shending_Help]

I can get behind the early good vibes on Mr. Marmot

It's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)

Again, this hardly makes sense to me. How does saying "tbh lol" signify some kind of thought process that Marmot has?

One doesn't say "tbh lol" without it being referring to something specific (at least i can't see myself doing that). And he hasn't said anything specific regarding you in the thread

It's just kinda randomly thrown out there. It doesn't fit if you're just looking at what's in the thread, so i assume it's referring to something in his own head

I know it's not a super standard read of mine, but it's a thing

[Shending_Help]

I'm gonna be around the next couple of hours if any1 wanna vibe

[Cape90]

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine


tbh lol

Wagon me more, it fuels me

Does it?

in the 2 games we've played together (FAM and the lightgame) it hasn't felt like you're one of the players who thrive of getting pushed and read people based on their handling of you. So... I'm not sure I believe this? Wanna talk about your mindset here?

Yeah no, it does not actually, but I am kinda just having fun with this game. I am not super good at making reads on people who push me and I usually end up omgusing them if it's later in the game, but it is kinda NAI for right now.

But yeah not even I believe my words if I am being real, however, I kinda am just here to vibe in early game, I can't be fricked to take this all seriously.

Sidenote: Pressuring HK is good here since HK is usually very obvious as one alignment or the other.

[Shending_Help]

Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

[Cape90]

I can get behind the early good vibes on Mr. Marmot

It's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)

Again, this hardly makes sense to me. How does saying "tbh lol" signify some kind of thought process that Marmot has?

One doesn't say "tbh lol" without it being referring to something specific (at least i can't see myself doing that). And he hasn't said anything specific regarding you in the thread

It's just kinda randomly thrown out there. It doesn't fit if you're just looking at what's in the thread, so i assume it's referring to something in his own head

I know it's not a super standard read of mine, but it's a thing

I see, upon looking back, I can see how my early game words were kind of scummy like where

Whenever the mafia is ready to awaken and play the game, that would be a good time to play fr

this, even though something I didn't take seriously can be taken as... I think maybe like TMI if I really stretch

or maybe it's how I addressed HK

Well, unless you yourself are just mafia

idk just felt like saying something like that since I didn't find their opener particularly said anything

[Shending_Help]

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I can get behind the early good vibes on Mr. Marmot

It's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)

Again, this hardly makes sense to me. How does saying "tbh lol" signify some kind of thought process that Marmot has?

One doesn't say "tbh lol" without it being referring to something specific (at least i can't see myself doing that). And he hasn't said anything specific regarding you in the thread

It's just kinda randomly thrown out there. It doesn't fit if you're just looking at what's in the thread, so i assume it's referring to something in his own head

I know it's not a super standard read of mine, but it's a thing

I see, upon looking back, I can see how my early game words were kind of scummy like where

Whenever the mafia is ready to awaken and play the game, that would be a good time to play fr

this, even though something I didn't take seriously can be taken as... I think maybe like TMI if I really stretch

or maybe it's how I addressed HK

Well, unless you yourself are just mafia

idk just felt like saying something like that since I didn't find their opener particularly said anything

this is a weird post

idk if scummy though

[Shending_Help]

spoiler looks so goddamn ugly lmao. not using that again

[Cape90]

Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*

Yeah, and not to mention that I want to kinda use at least 45 posts today if possible because I am busy tomorrow and won't be able to post much (will still try to read everything but don't expect high ;level of activity and if i survive into day 2, might make catch-up )

It's also hard to tryhard when I don't particularly have hard stances on really anything though I am getting pretty okay vibes from this prodding around you are doing so far

[Cape90]

spoiler looks so goddamn ugly lmao. not using that again

yeah font color inside the spoiler should be different, it's hard to see

[Cape90]

spoiler looks so goddamn ugly lmao. not using that again

yeah font color inside the spoiler should be different, it's hard to see

anyways I am just trying to wrap my head around the pressure on me and I can sort of see it. I am not particularly good at starting games in general.

Might have been better when I was first starting out because I was constantly on tryhard mode 24/7 cuz I hardly knew what I was doing

[Shending_Help]

spoiler looks so goddamn ugly lmao. not using that again

yeah font color inside the spoiler should be different, it's hard to see

anyways I am just trying to wrap my head around the pressure on me and I can sort of see it. I am not particularly good at starting games in general.

Might have been better when I was first starting out because I was constantly on tryhard mode 24/7 cuz I hardly knew what I was doing

you're not below null for me rn. I was a little confused by your straight up 'lie' (that's a strong word), but it's not something it's not a lie I wanna call all that AI, especially after having read your reponse. It was just weird (just as your self-meta post).

You MIGHT even be slightly above null for me, but i'll wait a bit before admitting that to myself (don't tell future me i wrote this)

[Shending_Help]

My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

[Shending_Help]

[VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

im fine with HK wagon too ftr, but I think this is just as good

[Wisdom]

I'm the doctor.

Also Alison is 100% someone Brad/BlueKang/LimeCoke would first pick as mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

This is a draft game? Lime Coke drafted mafia team...

Well, I'm confirmed town.

1) Lime Coke hates me and would never subject himself to being in a chat with me
2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

Gym class is easy. I won't post again today, but I'll vote someone later. If I ever die during the day this game, I take no responsibility for it because you should all know better, and those who don't should inform themselves. It's not just like "Lime Coke slightly dislikes this guy"... It's bad.

[Cape90]

I'm the doctor.

Also Alison is 100% someone Brad/BlueKang/LimeCoke would first pick as mafia.

Reading through the opener, I don't know what BlueKang's role is in all this other then they are in scum chat until they are kicked by the start of day 1, I am assuming night 0 stuff in that case.

[Shending_Help]

I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

[Cape90]

I'm the doctor.

Also Alison is 100% someone Brad/BlueKang/LimeCoke would first pick as mafia.

Reading through the opener, I don't know what BlueKang's role is in all this other then they are in scum chat until they are kicked by the start of day 1, I am assuming night 0 stuff in that case.

"role" as in like what they were doing in scumchat night 0, I know they are not a player in the game

[Cape90]

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

I think your post is interesting.

Regarding your TL;DR a scumteam in a 15 player would typically be 12 town 3 mafia. This would be a usual ratio. If 2 mafia, then the 2 mafia would have to be really strong if this is the case.

[Shending_Help]

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

I think your post is interesting.

Regarding your TL;DR a scumteam in a 15 player would typically be 12 town 3 mafia. This would be a usual ratio. If 2 mafia, then the 2 mafia would have to be really strong if this is the case.

that is the implication yes.

I think Limecoke would find it the most interesting if his STACKED team of 2 managed to pull it through

[Shending_Help]

Also, i kinda believe Axe's argument for him not being picked. I think the "Alison would be picked for sure" is a little bit more of a coinflip for me, since it's pretty well known Lime has a lot of respect for Alison, and he would be aware of that (right?)

[Seanzie]

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I can get behind the early good vibes on Mr. Marmot

It's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)

Again, this hardly makes sense to me. How does saying "tbh lol" signify some kind of thought process that Marmot has?

One doesn't say "tbh lol" without it being referring to something specific (at least i can't see myself doing that). And he hasn't said anything specific regarding you in the thread

It's just kinda randomly thrown out there. It doesn't fit if you're just looking at what's in the thread, so i assume it's referring to something in his own head

I know it's not a super standard read of mine, but it's a thing

I see, upon looking back, I can see how my early game words were kind of scummy like where

Whenever the mafia is ready to awaken and play the game, that would be a good time to play fr

this, even though something I didn't take seriously can be taken as... I think maybe like TMI if I really stretch

or maybe it's how I addressed HK

Well, unless you yourself are just mafia

idk just felt like saying something like that since I didn't find their opener particularly said anything

this is a weird post

idk if scummy though

Try

Spoiler: show

bracket spoiler close bracket, rather than bracket spoil close bracket, it is also the blue "spoiler" button on the full editor, rather than the little eye icon

My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing

Was my post where I asked for new-to-TS people's experience level not CWAC? I don't believe you really have this read on me.

This is a draft game? Lime Coke drafted mafia team...

Well, I'm confirmed town.

1) Lime Coke hates me and would never subject himself to being in a chat with me
2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

Gym class is easy. I won't post again today, but I'll vote someone later. If I ever die during the day this game, I take no responsibility for it because you should all know better, and those who don't should inform themselves. It's not just like "Lime Coke slightly dislikes this guy"... It's bad.

I agree with this read and also believe it applies to me.

I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh

I severely doubt there are 2 mafia when roles don't multisask.

[Shending_Help]

Was my post where I asked for new-to-TS people's experience level not CWAC? I don't believe you really have this read on me.

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I severely doubt there are 2 mafia when roles don't multisask.

-tbh i missed that post even happening when scrolling back, but i still semi believe it. But it's a reasonable reaction from you (also whats CWAC?)

-what does that mean? u mean multitask? and even then idgi

[Seanzie]

CWAC - Contribute without actually contributing. Anything that has the "feeling" of moving the game forward without really having an impact. Often comes in the form of questions that don't go anywhere. Wolves and town both do it, but wolves will sometimes do only CWAC and IIoA (information instead of analysis) in hopes that townies don't spot that they really aren't positively impacting the gamestate.

Yes, multitask, that was a typo. TS is not MS, so this is not gospel here, but: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Multitasking. From what I can tell of what Nook wrote, I think it is clear that mafia members could be assigned multiple roles, but they'd only be able to use one role per night (they can use their role and carry the NK on the same night though), so LC is unlikely to take more roles than mafia members (aside from a few edge cases where maybe they took a role useless for scum in order to keep it from town).

[hollowkatt]

wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

[hollowkatt]

I feel like Wisdoms Alison comment is more likely true than NAAs Lime statement is if only because if Lime is so antagonistic to NAA forcing NAA to wolf would probably be funny as fuck to Lime. I know it would be to me.

[Shending_Help]

CWAC - Contribute without actually contributing. Anything that has the "feeling" of moving the game forward without really having an impact. Often comes in the form of questions that don't go anywhere. Wolves and town both do it, but wolves will sometimes do only CWAC and IIoA (information instead of analysis) in hopes that townies don't spot that they really aren't positively impacting the gamestate.

Yes, multitask, that was a typo. TS is not MS, so this is not gospel here, but: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Multitasking. From what I can tell of what Nook wrote, I think it is clear that mafia members could be assigned multiple roles, but they'd only be able to use one role per night (they can use their role and carry the NK on the same night though), so LC is unlikely to take more roles than mafia members (aside from a few edge cases where maybe they took a role useless for scum in order to keep it from town).

Mm, that's a fair point, but I also read it as "PR's" and "Mechanics" being 2 different things that can be picked. I have no idea what mechanics means, but it could be like 4 wolf-sided mechanics that don't overlap with active Actions. Like either role-tied passives, or non-role tied mechanics like idk. D4 all wolf votes are counted as 2. Im just completely spitballing but I feel like in a game that you CAN choose 1-2 wolves only, there'd be some way of doing so without completely botching your wincon

[Wisdom]

Eh, 9v6 sounds fun we got this!!!

[Shending_Help]

Eh, 9v6 sounds fun we got this!!!

Lets gooooo

:ghoststab:

[Shending_Help]

wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

what's *your* reason for wigly?

[Wisdom]

From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

[Wisdom]

On another note I'm a bit worried that we're missing 5+ people halfway through d1. Fingers crossed more posts happen, I'm hyped for this game!

[Shending_Help]

Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

[hollowkatt]

wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

what's *your* reason for wigly?

Pleasure to meet you new friends.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?

I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf

[hollowkatt]

From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

why would town HK call you a wolf and go to bed? You are the same Wisdom that always makes a point to comment "you're reading me wrong again" when I wolf read you, right?

[hollowkatt]

From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

I didn't say NAA is sus, I said Lime drafting the wolf team isn't a hard clear like NAA is saying it is.

[Wisdom]

From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

why would town HK call you a wolf and go to bed? You are the same Wisdom that always makes a point to comment "you're reading me wrong again" when I wolf read you, right?

That never stopped you!!!^^

[Wisdom]

Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

[Shending_Help]

wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

what's *your* reason for wigly?

Pleasure to meet you new friends.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?

I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf

My reason for very lightly V leaning him is that 2nd post too. Why did you like the 1st one?

[Cape90]

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

But HK called you town. Is this something that is unusual for town!HK to do?

[Cape90]

On another note I'm a bit worried that we're missing 5+ people halfway through d1. Fingers crossed more posts happen, I'm hyped for this game!

i think i only see 4 people missing but it is still worrying

[Shending_Help]

Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!

[Shending_Help]

On another note I'm a bit worried that we're missing 5+ people halfway through d1. Fingers crossed more posts happen, I'm hyped for this game!

i think i only see 4 people missing but it is still worrying

Falcon Dunya jack dya Spacedaisy

I think?

[Cape90]

Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done

You are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!

This is a pretty abrasive take, not sure how to feel on it

[Cape90]

On another note I'm a bit worried that we're missing 5+ people halfway through d1. Fingers crossed more posts happen, I'm hyped for this game!

i think i only see 4 people missing but it is still worrying

Falcon Dunya jack dya Spacedaisy

I think?

oh right that is 5

[falcon45ca]

Imma 'bout to get blasted.



It's Morphin' Time!

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Imma 'bout to get blasted.



It's Morphin' Time!

[ITA] Falcon45ca[/ITA]

[hollowkatt]

From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

why would town HK call you a wolf and go to bed? You are the same Wisdom that always makes a point to comment "you're reading me wrong again" when I wolf read you, right?

That never stopped you!!!^^

Because you typically make posts I want to wolf read!
Just so happens this time you didn't